Injury report in QBs
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Side note - if both Kessler and McCown suit up, say goodbye to Jesus.
No, he would still be 3rd string QB. I don't think they want to bring Hogan up from the PS.
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I read the Browns added OL Johnathon Cooper off waivers. He was a first round pick by Arizona in 2013 before being traded to New England. Is he any good?
He was claimed off waivers, so that should be a clue he's not going to come in and save the OL. He's also on his third team after being dumped by two very good ones in AZ and NE. He's also from *that* draft class, 2013, the worst by some distance in recent memory. The same draft class that produced top picks like Eric Fisher, Luke Joeckel, Dion Jordan, Mingo, and a whole laundry list of underachievers.
He was claimed off waivers, so that should be a clue he's not going to come in and save the OL. He's also on his third team after being dumped by two very good ones in AZ and NE. He's also from *that* draft class, 2013, the worst by some distance in recent memory. The same draft class that produced top picks like Eric Fisher, Luke Joeckel, Dion Jordan, Mingo, and a whole laundry list of underachievers.
It can also mean he couldnt beat out some of the best lineman in the league. Which is still serviceable.
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No, he would still be 3rd string QB. I don't think they want to bring Hogan up from the PS.
Who said anything about Hogan?
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He was claimed off waivers, so that should be a clue he's not going to come in and save the OL. He's also on his third team after being dumped by two very good ones in AZ and NE. He's also from *that* draft class, 2013, the worst by some distance in recent memory. The same draft class that produced top picks like Eric Fisher, Luke Joeckel, Dion Jordan, Mingo, and a whole laundry list of underachievers.
It can also mean he couldnt beat out some of the best lineman in the league. Which is still serviceable.
It can also mean he couldnt beat out some of the best lineman in the league. Which is still serviceable.
It's injury based. He was injured a lot in AZ, went to NE Where he was apparently 'running with the 1s' as they say in training camp, but then got injured and hasn't played since.
I remember at the time people were talking about him as the best overall prospect in that draft (ha!) but since he was a guard he was never going first overall. Ended up going 7th, which is still pretty impressive for a guard. *IF* he gets healthy, who knows?
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Side note - if both Kessler and McCown suit up, say goodbye to Jesus.
What is CBJ's injury status?
As for Kess vs. McC... It is really going to come down to who can more effectively play hurt. That edge should go to McC simply based upon which side of his body is hurt.
Zombo said:
I don't think we sniff guys over 30.
Especially when that vet is mediocre at best.
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If McCown and Kessler are of equal health I'd want to see Kessler continue to start and develop. That is, unless you wanted to heal up Kessler for a week and feed the wounded McCown to the wolves instead.
RG3 is a different issue. The Committee might want to see and evaluate HIS potential to be the franchise QB.
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If Kessler is still sore, I'd give Josh a start just because it opens up the playbook a bit more, and Josh's throwing arm and legs are perfectly fine. Just need backup in case he gets knocked on his collarbone again.
Zombo
Zombo said:
If Kessler is still sore, I'd give Josh a start just because it opens up the playbook a bit more, and Josh's throwing arm and legs are perfectly fine. Just need backup in case he gets knocked on his collarbone again.
Zombo
IF McCown is healthy enough to start, and Kess is still feeling beat up- I give McCown the start until Cody is healthy. Then it's back to the bench with Josh. This is an evaluation year- we know what we have in Josh, Kessler not so much. At 0-5, we're not going anywhere this year. Determining what Kessler's ceiling is is going to be damn important come draft time 2017. If we think he's good enough, we almost have to take that pass rushing stud (that we sorely lack) with our high 1st round pick.
BTW, and this has probably been discussed elsewhere but I haven't been around - the vikings now seem to have two legitimate starting QBs in Bridgewater and Bradford. Obviously Bradford is older by about 5 years, but he's only 28, he could be around for another 10 years or so if the vikes want him.
So, the question is, if one is on the trading block (as is likely), would you want either, and if so, for how much? Teddy's under contract for one more year, but with an option to pick up the fifth year of the rookie contract (I believe), and Bradford has one more year at a pretty high rate.
Just NO to that idea. Bradford has proven to be fragile, and the Vikes would almost certainly want to recoup the first round pick they gave up to get Sam. LOL we already have R(Glass) III on our roster anyway. The Vikes have SB aspirations- the only reason they traded for Bradford. The Browns are 180 degrees in the opposite direction. Plus Sam is gonna demand a top half salary- not what the Analytics guys are going to want to do.
If McCown and Kessler are of equal health I'd want to see Kessler continue to start and develop. That is, unless you wanted to heal up Kessler for a week and feed the wounded McCown to the wolves instead.
RG3 is a different issue. The Committee might want to see and evaluate HIS potential to be the franchise QB.
Ditto on Kessler. I don't know about the Harvard Brain Trust & Hue- but I've already seen enough of Griffin to form an opinion. And that is- he's not the answer. A great athlete that can't decipher a defense fast enough. If you put Griffin's arm on Kessler- we'd have our answer.
PS- That stat from the other thread was interesting to say the least. Kessler got clocked @ 55 mph on the radar gun. The same speed as Russell Wilson and Joe Flacco. I haven't seen those two being accused of having lame arms.
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Hogan and Gabe promoted from PS.
Whitehurst released with injury settlement.
Z
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Zombo said:
Hogan and Gabe promoted from PS.
Whitehurst released with injury settlement.
Z
Oh Brother.
Who the hell is going to start? Kessler?
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Zombo said:
Hogan and Gabe promoted from PS.
Whitehurst released with injury settlement.
Z
Not bad for a couple weeks work Charlie. This does give me pause thinking about what this may mean if\when Griffin is healed up enough to play. I've already seen enough of Griffin- have to wonder if the FO has too.
We're not going to keep 4 qbs on the active roster. Griffin comes back, we'd almost have to waive Hogan and take the chance another team won't pick him up.
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Zombo said:
Hogan and Gabe promoted from PS.
Whitehurst released with injury settlement.
Z
Not bad for a couple weeks work Charlie. This does give me pause thinking about what this may mean if\when Griffin is healed up enough to play. I've already seen enough of Griffin- have to wonder if the FO has too.
We're not going to keep 4 qbs on the active roster. Griffin comes back, we'd almost have to waive Hogan and take the chance another team won't pick him up.
Not bad for a couple weeks work Charlie. This does give me pause thinking about what this may mean if\when Griffin is healed up enough to play. I've already seen enough of Griffin- have to wonder if the FO has too.
We're not going to keep 4 qbs on the active roster. Griffin comes back, we'd almost have to waive Hogan and take the chance another team won't pick him up.
Ya, this smells like Grif isn't coming back.
I'm Ok with rolling with Kessler and Josh with Hogan's Heroes as the emergency.
Z
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BTW, and this has probably been discussed elsewhere but I haven't been around - the vikings now seem to have two legitimate starting QBs in Bridgewater and Bradford. Obviously Bradford is older by about 5 years, but he's only 28, he could be around for another 10 years or so if the vikes want him.
So, the question is, if one is on the trading block (as is likely), would you want either, and if so, for how much? Teddy's under contract for one more year, but with an option to pick up the fifth year of the rookie contract (I believe), and Bradford has one more year at a pretty high rate.
BTW, and this has probably been discussed elsewhere but I haven't been around - the vikings now seem to have two legitimate starting QBs in Bridgewater and Bradford. Obviously Bradford is older by about 5 years, but he's only 28, he could be around for another 10 years or so if the vikes want him.
So, the question is, if one is on the trading block (as is likely), would you want either, and if so, for how much? Teddy's under contract for one more year, but with an option to pick up the fifth year of the rookie contract (I believe), and Bradford has one more year at a pretty high rate.
It had not been brought up that I know of... and... no...
The QB trade rumor NFL Live tried to crank up yesterday was Chicago trading Jay Cutler to us. Cutler is fucking kryptonite... fool's gold... today's version of Jeff George... a tool with all the tools. This idea makes your musing seem attractive by contrast.
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BTW, and this has probably been discussed elsewhere but I haven't been around - the vikings now seem to have two legitimate starting QBs in Bridgewater and Bradford. Obviously Bradford is older by about 5 years, but he's only 28, he could be around for another 10 years or so if the vikes want him.
So, the question is, if one is on the trading block (as is likely), would you want either, and if so, for how much? Teddy's under contract for one more year, but with an option to pick up the fifth year of the rookie contract (I believe), and Bradford has one more year at a pretty high rate.
It had not been brought up that I know of... and... no...
The QB trade rumor NFL Live tried to crank up yesterday was Chicago trading Jay Cutler to us. Cutler is fucking kryptonite... fool's gold... today's version of Jeff George... a tool with all the tools. This idea makes your musing seem attractive by contrast.
It had not been brought up that I know of... and... no...
The QB trade rumor NFL Live tried to crank up yesterday was Chicago trading Jay Cutler to us. Cutler is fucking kryptonite... fool's gold... today's version of Jeff George... a tool with all the tools. This idea makes your musing seem attractive by contrast.
"a tool with all the tools" lol
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BTW, and this has probably been discussed elsewhere but I haven't been around - the vikings now seem to have two legitimate starting QBs in Bridgewater and Bradford. Obviously Bradford is older by about 5 years, but he's only 28, he could be around for another 10 years or so if the vikes want him.
So, the question is, if one is on the trading block (as is likely), would you want either, and if so, for how much? Teddy's under contract for one more year, but with an option to pick up the fifth year of the rookie contract (I believe), and Bradford has one more year at a pretty high rate.
It had not been brought up that I know of... and... no...
The QB trade rumor NFL Live tried to crank up yesterday was Chicago trading Jay Cutler to us. Cutler is fucking kryptonite... fool's gold... today's version of Jeff George... a tool with all the tools. This idea makes your musing seem attractive by contrast.
It had not been brought up that I know of... and... no...
The QB trade rumor NFL Live tried to crank up yesterday was Chicago trading Jay Cutler to us. Cutler is fucking kryptonite... fool's gold... today's version of Jeff George... a tool with all the tools. This idea makes your musing seem attractive by contrast.
I'm thinking less about Bradford, and more about Teddy tbh. It seems like they have it really going on with Bradford, and might decide to just roll with him.
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It had not been brought up that I know of... and... no...
The QB trade rumor NFL Live tried to crank up yesterday was Chicago trading Jay Cutler to us. Cutler is fucking kryptonite... fool's gold... today's version of Jeff George... a tool with all the tools. This idea makes your musing seem attractive by contrast.
I'm thinking less about Bradford, and more about Teddy tbh. It seems like they have it really going on with Bradford, and might decide to just roll with him.
I'm thinking less about Bradford, and more about Teddy tbh. It seems like they have it really going on with Bradford, and might decide to just roll with him.
Of the two, I'd prefer Bradford, but I also have the feeling that so will the Vikes.
We also have to remember that Teddy's not a lock to be ready to go at the start of next year.
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It had not been brought up that I know of... and... no...
The QB trade rumor NFL Live tried to crank up yesterday was Chicago trading Jay Cutler to us. Cutler is fucking kryptonite... fool's gold... today's version of Jeff George... a tool with all the tools. This idea makes your musing seem attractive by contrast.
I'm thinking less about Bradford, and more about Teddy tbh. It seems like they have it really going on with Bradford, and might decide to just roll with him.
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In any case it's not a decision they have to make quickly...
Teddy's rookie deal runs through 2017 with a 5th year option in 2018. So he's cheap to keep.
And Bradford is there through 2017, if they so desire. However he has $13mm that comes due on June 1, 2017. Depending on how far he takes them, that could look cheap as well.
Does not look like a big FA pinch is coming. Matt Khalil is the biggest UFA name I see.
http://overthecap.com/free-agency/minnesota-vikings/
AP is the player I'd look for them to shuck, if he won't redo his deal. He's due $18mm next year... and none of it is dead money.
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Not bad for a couple weeks work Charlie. This does give me pause thinking about what this may mean if\when Griffin is healed up enough to play. I've already seen enough of Griffin- have to wonder if the FO has too.
We're not going to keep 4 qbs on the active roster. Griffin comes back, we'd almost have to waive Hogan and take the chance another team won't pick him up.
Ya, this smells like Grif isn't coming back.
I'm Ok with rolling with Kessler and Josh with Hogan's Heroes as the emergency.
Z
Zombo said:
Ya, this smells like Grif isn't coming back.
I'm Ok with rolling with Kessler and Josh with Hogan's Heroes as the emergency.
Z
They can at least keep Griffin on IR for the year, and bring him back next year....if they want to continue the experiment. (or if McC should retire...though I don't know why he would, unless the injuries take their toll on him)
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Pathetic! McCown is never going to stay healthy! I'd rather see who's better Kessler or Hogan. For God's sake! We need to establish a QB for the future. It could be Hogan! He's bigger, mobile, strong arm and was ranked 9 spots ahead of Kessler in the draft. Kessler wasn't even projected to be drafted! Play Hogan!
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