Cheapshot blindside helmet to helmet has Poyer still in hospital
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Andrews is gonna have a target on his back
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I thought it was a good play. It's football.
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The guy hit him so hard it ruptured a kidney, not from a direct blow to the back.
Cal we can debate about if there was intent to injure on that play. One thing that can't be debated is Andrews has zero class putting that up on Instagram and bragging about it. He won't think it's so funny if he gets a knee blown out or a leg broken and the guy who does it posts it to You Tube. What goes around comes around. MHO is he owes Poyer an apology.
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Well, I didn't mean direct blow to the kidney - it's similar to saying "hey, I didn't hit him in the neck and broke it, I hit
him in the side of the head"
How funny would Andrews have thought his bragging was, if Poyer had a neck injury and ended up paralyzed, it my
question. Yes, that's zero class. From all the football I've watched over eh....many decades... a violent shoulder to shoulder
might cause a shoulder injury, but would be a clean block if it was not a blindside violent hit. He could have given him
a big shove in the shoulder and sent him flying though the air, mission accomplished.
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Cal your answer lies in your own post & Poyer's last tweet..Jordan has no prob with hit, it's football,,,BUT... "Don't be a ASS & have some class" has always been a Poyer's Pride..
Cal your answer lies in your own post & Poyer's last tweet..Jordan has no prob with hit, it's football,,,BUT... "Don't be a ASS & have some class" has always been a Poyer's Pride..
Well, I think that's taking his tweet out of context. If I got illegally maimed violently, I wouldn't make a giant whining
bitch seesion over it, either. Behind the scenes, I'd be figuring it was an illegal cheapshot.
But like Mr. Hoorta said - it was low class to go online and laughingly brag about it. Not smart.
btw, I think the difference between incidental helmet to helmet contact is part of the game. But that isn't what
this was. Andrews' tweet made that clear. And spearing with his helmet wasn't accidental, either. Just what I think
about what I saw...over and over and over and.... again.
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Cal your answer lies in your own post & Poyer's last tweet..Jordan has no prob with hit, it's football,,,BUT... "Don't be a ASS & have some class" has always been a Poyer's Pride..
Well, I think that's taking his tweet out of context. If I got illegally maimed violently, I wouldn't make a giant whining
bitch seesion over it, either. Behind the scenes, I'd be figuring it was an illegal cheapshot.
But like Mr. Hoorta said - it was low class to go online and laughingly brag about it. Not smart.
btw, I think the difference between incidental helmet to helmet contact is part of the game. But that isn't what
this was. Andrews' tweet made that clear. And spearing with his helmet wasn't accidental, either. Just what I think
about what I saw...over and over and over and.... again.
I think the difference between incidental helmet to helmet contact is part of the game. But that isn't what
this was. Andrews' tweet made that clear. And spearing with his helmet wasn't accidental, either. Just what I think
about what I saw...over and over and over and.... again.
Spearing? Come on Cal, before you cost your team 15 yards for Piling On
Watch Andrews load his shoulders before hit than watch the ear holes meet ear holes. Spearing not the word. Blindside hit was the right call but..I was just shocked the refs called anything our way..We will decline your piling on penalty 
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You did not happen to play for Lakewood did you?
Played against Lakewood my junior year. Didn't go so well.
That said, this thread and the 'outrage' doesn't exist if its a Browns player laying the wood on somebody. None of you would be bitching about it or the rules as they are. Quit with the double standards.
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Gary Danielson has suggested that special teams blockers should only be allowed to block in the direction of the runner. That strikes me as a good rule.
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You did not happen to play for Lakewood did you?
Played against Lakewood my junior year. Didn't go so well.
That said, this thread and the 'outrage' doesn't exist if its a Browns player laying the wood on somebody. None of you would be bitching about it or the rules as they are. Quit with the double standards.
Played against Lakewood my junior year. Didn't go so well.
That said, this thread and the 'outrage' doesn't exist if its a Browns player laying the wood on somebody. None of you would be bitching about it or the rules as they are. Quit with the double standards.
Yes, I would. I'm so glad you can assume how everyone would feel though.
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Played against Lakewood my junior year. Didn't go so well.
That said, this thread and the 'outrage' doesn't exist if its a Browns player laying the wood on somebody. None of you would be bitching about it or the rules as they are. Quit with the double standards.
Yes, I would. I'm so glad you can assume how everyone would feel though.
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I think the difference between incidental helmet to helmet contact is part of the game. But that isn't what
this was. Andrews' tweet made that clear. And spearing with his helmet wasn't accidental, either. Just what I think
about what I saw...over and over and over and.... again.
Spearing? Come on Cal, before you cost your team 15 yards for Piling On
Watch Andrews load his shoulders before hit than watch the ear holes meet ear holes. Spearing not the word. Blindside hit was the right call but..I was just shocked the refs called anything our way..We will decline your piling on penalty Spearing? Come on Cal, before you cost your team 15 yards for Piling On
Watch Andrews load his shoulders before hit than watch the ear holes meet ear holes. Spearing not the word. Blindside hit was the right call but..I was just shocked the refs called anything our way..We will decline your piling on penalty Well, he had to brace himself for the collision regardless. But he aimed his helmet right at his helmet.
The shoulder hit was pretty much a given. Everytime I watch it, I see his helmet leading the rest of his
body. For all his online bragging, he has proven that it was his intention to nail him. That is a disgrace.
Giving Andrews the benefit of the doubt went out the window entirely when he went bragging and gloating online.
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That said, this thread and the 'outrage' doesn't exist if its a Browns player laying the wood on somebody. None of you would be bitching about it or the rules as they are. Quit with the double standards. Tiam
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More bs. You make an invalid assumption, and then you proclaim that your assumption is accurate and that means double standards,
and those should be stopped.
You should stop and go back and think about that.
A lot of us would be disgusted if a Browns player deliberately nailed a blindside helmet to helmet violent hit, especially
when he goes online and brags about it.
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Sure.
Because I didn't make several posts in this thread explaining my point fairly and providing personal anecdotes. Nope, that didn't happen literally right above where you make assumptions like a jackass.
Reading comprehension is fun!
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Spearing? Come on Cal, before you cost your team 15 yards for Piling On
Watch Andrews load his shoulders before hit than watch the ear holes meet ear holes. Spearing not the word. Blindside hit was the right call but..I was just shocked the refs called anything our way..We will decline your piling on penalty Well, he had to brace himself for the collision regardless. But he aimed his helmet right at his helmet.
The shoulder hit was pretty much a given. Everytime I watch it, I see his helmet leading the rest of his
body. For all his online bragging, he has proven that it was his intention to nail him. That is a disgrace.
Giving Andrews the benefit of the doubt went out the window entirely when he went bragging and gloating online.
Well, he had to brace himself for the collision regardless. But he aimed his helmet right at his helmet.
The shoulder hit was pretty much a given. Everytime I watch it, I see his helmet leading the rest of his
body. For all his online bragging, he has proven that it was his intention to nail him. That is a disgrace.
Giving Andrews the benefit of the doubt went out the window entirely when he went bragging and gloating online.
Then his aim is piss-poor. And please tell me when the head does not lead the shoulders... does not lead the rest of the body.
A lot of us would be disgusted if a Browns player deliberately nailed a blindside helmet to helmet violent hit, especially when he goes online and brags about it.
A lot? Fuck, cal, we have people here that applaud Joe Jones' pile driver. Regardless some of us would actually see what happened.
Here is the original sequence from the default sideline angle. The two SetUp jpegs show Anderson lowering his shoulder preparing for impact. Observe the difference in waist bend.
The next six jpegs are a frame by frame though impact. Note that at no time does Poyer's head go backwards relative to his body showing the force of the block was not "helmet to helmet". They show:
- Anderson's helmet glancing the front of Poyer's mask.
- Anderson's helmet passing under Poyer's mask.
- Poyer's head twisting anticlockwise* from the glancing blow and the beginning clockwise rotation of his body.
- Poyer's head beginning to uncoil and "move forward" as it lags the body.
- Poyer's head has untorqued, but is still noticeably bending forward.
- Head and body are realigning.
One last shot catches Poyer extending his right arm to brace for impact with the turf. It is included to show Poyer was conscious at that moment.
So can we now cut the myopic, "helmet to helmet" bullshit?
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* For our brethren across the pond.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 - Anderson's helmet glancing the front of Poyer's mask.
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We have many people on this board that would volunteer to build the statute to Nassib if he put his helmet through Ben's knee.
So forgive me for believing members here somehow have an overwhelming sense of humanity.
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Well, he had to brace himself for the collision regardless. But he aimed his helmet right at his helmet.
The shoulder hit was pretty much a given. Everytime I watch it, I see his helmet leading the rest of his
body. For all his online bragging, he has proven that it was his intention to nail him. That is a disgrace.
Giving Andrews the benefit of the doubt went out the window entirely when he went bragging and gloating online.
Then his aim is piss-poor. And please tell me when the head does not lead the shoulders... does not lead the rest of the body.
A lot of us would be disgusted if a Browns player deliberately nailed a blindside helmet to helmet violent hit, especially when he goes online and brags about it.
A lot? Fuck, cal, we have people here that applaud Joe Jones' pile driver. Regardless some of us would actually see what happened.
Here is the original sequence from the default sideline angle. The two SetUp jpegs show Anderson lowering his shoulder preparing for impact. Observe the difference in waist bend.
The next six jpegs are a frame by frame though impact. Note that at no time does Poyer's head go backwards relative to his body showing the force of the block was not "helmet to helmet". They show:
- Anderson's helmet glancing the front of Poyer's mask.
- Anderson's helmet passing under Poyer's mask.
- Poyer's head twisting anticlockwise* from the glancing blow and the beginning clockwise rotation of his body.
- Poyer's head beginning to uncoil and "move forward" as it lags the body.
- Poyer's head has untorqued, but is still noticeably bending forward.
- Head and body are realigning.
One last shot catches Poyer extending his right arm to brace for impact with the turf. It is included to show Poyer was conscious at that moment.
So can we now cut the myopic, "helmet to helmet" bullshit?
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* For our brethren across the pond.
Then his aim is piss-poor. And please tell me when the head does not lead the shoulders... does not lead the rest of the body.
A lot? Fuck, cal, we have people here that applaud Joe Jones' pile driver. Regardless some of us would actually see what happened.
Here is the original sequence from the default sideline angle. The two SetUp jpegs show Anderson lowering his shoulder preparing for impact. Observe the difference in waist bend.
SetUp1-Upright.jpg SetUp2-Bend.jpgThe next six jpegs are a frame by frame though impact. Note that at no time does Poyer's head go backwards relative to his body showing the force of the block was not "helmet to helmet". They show:
- Anderson's helmet glancing the front of Poyer's mask. ImpactFrame1-HeadInFront.jpg
- Anderson's helmet passing under Poyer's mask. ImpactFrame2-HeadUnderMask.jpg
- Poyer's head twisting anticlockwise* from the glancing blow and the beginning clockwise rotation of his body. ImpactFrame3-HeadTwist.jpg
- Poyer's head beginning to uncoil and "move forward" as it lags the body. ImpactFrame4-UntwistForward.jpg
- Poyer's head has untorqued, but is still noticeably bending forward. ImpactFrame5-Untwisted.jpg
- Head and body are realigning. ImpactFrame6-GoingDown.jpg
One last shot catches Poyer extending his right arm to brace for impact with the turf. It is included to show Poyer was conscious at that moment.
So can we now cut the myopic, "helmet to helmet" bullshit?
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* For our brethren across the pond.
"Glancing the face mask? In seeing the replay it seemed that it was a far greater impact than just a "glancing blow"....and the face mask is part of the helmet. He slammed the crown of his helmet into Poyers face mask. That is still defined as helmet to helmet...and from what I can tell, a fairly forceful blow.
- Anderson's helmet glancing the front of Poyer's mask.
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We have many people on this board that would volunteer to build the statute to Nassib if he put his helmet through Ben's knee.
So forgive me for believing members here somehow have an overwhelming sense of humanity.
We have many people on this board that would volunteer to build the statute to Nassib if he put his helmet through Ben's knee.
So forgive me for believing members here somehow have an overwhelming sense of humanity.
Exactly- Some folks still love the way Turkey Jones pile-drove Bradshaw into the ground. Today- that move would probably be a 4 game suspension, minimum.
Based upon Alexander's body position, these are as near to simultaneous images from the two angles available from the broadcast.
He did hit Poyer sort of high- but it's done with- let it go guys. Karma is a bitch.
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A lot? Fuck, cal, we have people here that applaud Joe Jones' pile driver. Regardless some of us would actually see what happened. Tour
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Well, you don't understand what really happened. See, Joe Turkey Jones had Bradshaw in a bear hug, but
Bradshaw wouldn't go down, kept trying to get away, then Bradshaw elbows Jones in the facemask.. almost stomped on his foot, and then
in a last ditch attempt to get away, he jumps up into the air while Jones holds on, and dives head first into the ground to
draw a penalty.
Here, if you don't believe me. You just have to watch the video and "analyze" it like Tiam does...
(lol)
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It wasnt a cheap shot and it sure as shit doesn't deserve a fine.
Sorry but cracks are the defintion of blindside - how many of you complain about those?!?
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well, by golly, he wasn't fined, sure enough, for the illegal hit on Poyer.
Because the hittee was a Cleveland Brown, apparently:
"Brown was punished for a crack-back block, and Gay and Boykin were fined for excessive celebration."
Yep. Illegal. Andrews should have been fined, too.
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