Draft Talk

Tim Couch Pulls Out

@texasag1969 said:

Pretty embarrassing for early supporters here to see him benched last game. But BR's Matt Miller is still defending him albeit the video is full of plays against one of the crappiest defenses out there (no prejudice here ).

http://www.csnchicago.com/notre-dame/brian-kelly-benches-deshone-kizer-malik-zaire-seeking-energy-notre-dame-didnt-get

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2670166-dear-nfl-do-not-hit-panic-button-on-notre-dames-deshone-kizer

You really want a guy who QBs a 2-5 team?

Record matters not

gftChris

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:
Record matters not

No, but performances do.

TexasAg1969

@gftchris said:
No, but performances do.

And if Kessler continues to get better for the reminder of the season despite the OL problems, then selecting a QB matters not either.

gftChris

@texasag1969 said:
And if Kessler continues to get better for the reminder of the season despite the OL problems, then selecting a QB matters not either.

Maybe, maybe not. Depends on BPA...

Unsympathetic

I'm not against selecting Elflein with our second pick in the first round if they determine he's better than Reiter.. a game against a low-end defense doesn't show how he'll do against Denver.

Other option would of course be D with ILB McMillan..

tiamat63

@texasag1969 said:

And if the Browns are foolish enough to do that with a season like he is having........................................Lord help us all.

Drafted Manziel in the first - still more embarassing.

edit - if you're going to be any Buckeye on this team it better be Hooker. Boy has range for days.

Tour2ma

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:
Record matters not

Agree.. too many factors not related to QB play.

@gftchris said:
No, but performances do.

True... so long as performance is evaluated on tape and not inferred from stat lines.

gftChris

Absolutely Tour. But being benched by the coach doesn't look good.

gumby73

Anybody interested (like myself) going to the 2017 draft in Philly. Rd.1 Thursday 4-27. Rds. 2 & 3-4-28 Friday (my B-Day present to Me) Sat.4-29 Rnds.4-7..Benjamin Franklin Parkway in Philly.. Ticketcity.com for info & will email ticket sale dates (price ??)..May want to book that hotel now over 200k were in Chicago last season..#Let's get some Dawgs in Philly's house!!

Tim Couch Pulls Out

@gftchris said:
No, but performances do.

They do. And there's little I've seen from both Watson and Kizer that suggest they won't have some semblance of success in the NFL.

They have transferable skills, regardless of how poorly their teams are playing or whether they seem to have plateaued.

I'm not advocating we go all in on one with the first pick right now, but I'm also not going to be reactionary and say they suck.

CaineDeSoulis

i think the most potential in the class is mitch tbh QB wise that is

Tour2ma

@gumby73 said:
Anybody interested (like myself) going to the 2017 draft in Philly. Rd.1 Thursday 4-27. Rds. 2 & 3-4-28 Friday (my B-Day present to Me) Sat.4-29 Rnds.4-7..Benjamin Franklin Parkway in Philly.. Ticketcity.com for info & will email ticket sale dates (price ??)..May want to book that hotel now over 200k were in Chicago last season..#Let's get some Dawgs in Philly's house!!

Yes... Posted my interest after Philly was announced as host city. mik was interested as well.

flyingfooldoug

OK, I have a serious question in all this. We have kept 14 draft picks on the roster this year and are looking for similar next year. Yay!? So that would mean that in 4 years just as these young guys start hitting their stride, we have 14 contracts due at the same time. Then a similar number The next year. How is this sustainable? I am hip to drafting smart but it kinda looks like we are putting all the eggs in one basket.

Mudfly

Well, if they have any sense, this is the year to package picks and move up......this year, Id prefer fewer picks that are higher quality......... and we do have the goods to create some trades and improve our draft positions.....

And, dont worry, a number of players from this first class will be long gone by then....

gftChris

@flyingfooldoug said:
OK, I have a serious question in all this. We have kept 14 draft picks on the roster this year and are looking for similar next year. Yay!? So that would mean that in 4 years just as these young guys start hitting their stride, we have 14 contracts due at the same time. Then a similar number The next year. How is this sustainable? I am hip to drafting smart but it kinda looks like we are putting all the eggs in one basket.

The philosophy of drafting a bunch of guys is that the whole thing is a crap shoot, so to speak, and nowhere near 14 will become legit players. Maybe we get 4 or 5?

Either way, having 14 quality players whose contracts are up qualifies firmly as a nice problem to have - the kind this team hasn't had in a long time.

Harry Buffalo

So none of the QB's are really separating themselves from the pack. As in right now no QB looks like they will actually be worth the 1st overall pick, but maybe instead the 5th or 10th, so on so forth. What everyone needs to keep in mind is that we are only half way through the college season. Every year one or two QB prospects come out of now where to end up being first round picks. Now are those prospects always good? No, but it just goes to show that even though there isn't a true #1 QB being pointed out right now, there is a decent chance there will be one by the end of the season.

Mudfly

@flyingfooldoug said:
OK, I have a serious question in all this. We have kept 14 draft picks on the roster this year and are looking for similar next year. Yay!? So that would mean that in 4 years just as these young guys start hitting their stride, we have 14 contracts due at the same time. Then a similar number The next year. How is this sustainable?

It's the way the NFL is......we have that many every year......look at it like this....most players have a 4 year or shorter contract.....and, we have 53 players(divide by 4).....which means we have an avg of 13 per year/////

Now....factor in that many have contracts that are shorter than 4 and you can increase that yearly total....

I looked it up and guess how many expire in 2017......that would be 26....and in 2018 its 11.....2019 its 16....2020 its 13....

Now factor in the odds of 14 rookies still being here after 4 years and all needing big contracts(that would be 1 in a million)(ie no chance)....

So...the contract thingy is a non issue......really

flyingfooldoug

@mudfly said:

It's the way the NFL is......we have that many every year......look at it like this....most players have a 4 year or shorter contract.....and, we have 53 players(divide by 4).....which means we have an avg of 13 per year/////

Now....factor in that many have contracts that are shorter than 4 and you can increase that yearly total....

I looked it up and guess how many expire in 2017......that would be 26....and in 2018 its 11.....2019 its 16....2020 its 13....

Now factor in the odds of 14 rookies still being here after 4 years and all needing big contracts(that would be 1 in a million)(ie no chance)....

So...the contract thingy is a non issue......really

Good explanation. Thanks

hoorta

@texasag1969 said:
And if Kessler continues to get better for the reminder of the season despite the OL problems, then selecting a QB matters not either.

I agree Ag. I've posted it in other threads. How Kessler does the rest of the season will play a huge role how the Browns 2017 draft unfolds. So it's too early to speculate. Other than the D needs some serious help.

tiamat63

I'll be watching Garrett closely today vs Bama. should be a great time.