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  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    @texasag1969 said:

    Pretty embarrassing for early supporters here to see him benched last game. But BR's Matt Miller is still defending him albeit the video is full of plays against one of the crappiest defenses out there (no prejudice here 😆 ).

    http://www.csnchicago.com/notre-dame/brian-kelly-benches-deshone-kizer-malik-zaire-seeking-energy-notre-dame-didnt-get

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2670166-dear-nfl-do-not-hit-panic-button-on-notre-dames-deshone-kizer

    You really want a guy who QBs a 2-5 team?

    Record matters not

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Record matters not

    Agree.. too many factors not related to QB play.

    @gftchris said:

    No, but performances do.

    True... so long as performance is evaluated on tape and not inferred from stat lines.

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  • Absolutely Tour. But being benched by the coach doesn't look good.

  • Anybody interested (like myself) going to the 2017 draft in Philly. Rd.1 Thursday 4-27. Rds. 2 & 3-4-28 Friday (my B-Day present to Me) Sat.4-29 Rnds.4-7..Benjamin Franklin Parkway in Philly.. Ticketcity.com for info & will email ticket sale dates (price ??)..May want to book that hotel now 😉 over 200k were in Chicago last season..#Let's get some Dawgs in Philly's house!!

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  • gftChrisG gftChris

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Record matters not

    No, but performances do.

    @gftchris said:

    No, but performances do.

    They do. And there's little I've seen from both Watson and Kizer that suggest they won't have some semblance of success in the NFL.

    They have transferable skills, regardless of how poorly their teams are playing or whether they seem to have plateaued.

    I'm not advocating we go all in on one with the first pick right now, but I'm also not going to be reactionary and say they suck.

    I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride

  • i think the most potential in the class is mitch tbh QB wise that is

  • gumby73G gumby73

    Anybody interested (like myself) going to the 2017 draft in Philly. Rd.1 Thursday 4-27. Rds. 2 & 3-4-28 Friday (my B-Day present to Me) Sat.4-29 Rnds.4-7..Benjamin Franklin Parkway in Philly.. Ticketcity.com for info & will email ticket sale dates (price ??)..May want to book that hotel now 😉 over 200k were in Chicago last season..#Let's get some Dawgs in Philly's house!!

    @gumby73 said:

    Anybody interested (like myself) going to the 2017 draft in Philly. Rd.1 Thursday 4-27. Rds. 2 & 3-4-28 Friday (my B-Day present to Me) Sat.4-29 Rnds.4-7..Benjamin Franklin Parkway in Philly.. Ticketcity.com for info & will email ticket sale dates (price ??)..May want to book that hotel now 😉 over 200k were in Chicago last season..#Let's get some Dawgs in Philly's house!!

    Yes... Posted my interest after Philly was announced as host city. mik was interested as well.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • OK, I have a serious question in all this. We have kept 14 draft picks on the roster this year and are looking for similar next year. Yay!? So that would mean that in 4 years just as these young guys start hitting their stride, we have 14 contracts due at the same time. Then a similar number The next year. How is this sustainable? I am hip to drafting smart but it kinda looks like we are putting all the eggs in one basket.

    gftChrisG MudflyM 2 Replies

  • Well, if they have any sense, this is the year to package picks and move up......this year, Id prefer fewer picks that are higher quality......... and we do have the goods to create some trades and improve our draft positions.....

    And, dont worry, a number of players from this first class will be long gone by then....

  • flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug

    OK, I have a serious question in all this. We have kept 14 draft picks on the roster this year and are looking for similar next year. Yay!? So that would mean that in 4 years just as these young guys start hitting their stride, we have 14 contracts due at the same time. Then a similar number The next year. How is this sustainable? I am hip to drafting smart but it kinda looks like we are putting all the eggs in one basket.

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    OK, I have a serious question in all this. We have kept 14 draft picks on the roster this year and are looking for similar next year. Yay!? So that would mean that in 4 years just as these young guys start hitting their stride, we have 14 contracts due at the same time. Then a similar number The next year. How is this sustainable? I am hip to drafting smart but it kinda looks like we are putting all the eggs in one basket.

    The philosophy of drafting a bunch of guys is that the whole thing is a crap shoot, so to speak, and nowhere near 14 will become legit players. Maybe we get 4 or 5?

    Either way, having 14 quality players whose contracts are up qualifies firmly as a nice problem to have - the kind this team hasn't had in a long time.

  • So none of the QB's are really separating themselves from the pack. As in right now no QB looks like they will actually be worth the 1st overall pick, but maybe instead the 5th or 10th, so on so forth. What everyone needs to keep in mind is that we are only half way through the college season. Every year one or two QB prospects come out of now where to end up being first round picks. Now are those prospects always good? No, but it just goes to show that even though there isn't a true #1 QB being pointed out right now, there is a decent chance there will be one by the end of the season.

    Ruining threads since 1897.
    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug

    OK, I have a serious question in all this. We have kept 14 draft picks on the roster this year and are looking for similar next year. Yay!? So that would mean that in 4 years just as these young guys start hitting their stride, we have 14 contracts due at the same time. Then a similar number The next year. How is this sustainable? I am hip to drafting smart but it kinda looks like we are putting all the eggs in one basket.

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    OK, I have a serious question in all this. We have kept 14 draft picks on the roster this year and are looking for similar next year. Yay!? So that would mean that in 4 years just as these young guys start hitting their stride, we have 14 contracts due at the same time. Then a similar number The next year. How is this sustainable?

    It's the way the NFL is......we have that many every year......look at it like this....most players have a 4 year or shorter contract.....and, we have 53 players(divide by 4).....which means we have an avg of 13 per year/////

    Now....factor in that many have contracts that are shorter than 4 and you can increase that yearly total....

    I looked it up and guess how many expire in 2017......that would be 26....and in 2018 its 11.....2019 its 16....2020 its 13....

    Now factor in the odds of 14 rookies still being here after 4 years and all needing big contracts(that would be 1 in a million)(ie no chance)....

    So...the contract thingy is a non issue......really

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    OK, I have a serious question in all this. We have kept 14 draft picks on the roster this year and are looking for similar next year. Yay!? So that would mean that in 4 years just as these young guys start hitting their stride, we have 14 contracts due at the same time. Then a similar number The next year. How is this sustainable?

    It's the way the NFL is......we have that many every year......look at it like this....most players have a 4 year or shorter contract.....and, we have 53 players(divide by 4).....which means we have an avg of 13 per year/////

    Now....factor in that many have contracts that are shorter than 4 and you can increase that yearly total....

    I looked it up and guess how many expire in 2017......that would be 26....and in 2018 its 11.....2019 its 16....2020 its 13....

    Now factor in the odds of 14 rookies still being here after 4 years and all needing big contracts(that would be 1 in a million)(ie no chance)....

    So...the contract thingy is a non issue......really

    @mudfly said:

    It's the way the NFL is......we have that many every year......look at it like this....most players have a 4 year or shorter contract.....and, we have 53 players(divide by 4).....which means we have an avg of 13 per year/////

    Now....factor in that many have contracts that are shorter than 4 and you can increase that yearly total....

    I looked it up and guess how many expire in 2017......that would be 26....and in 2018 its 11.....2019 its 16....2020 its 13....

    Now factor in the odds of 14 rookies still being here after 4 years and all needing big contracts(that would be 1 in a million)(ie no chance)....

    So...the contract thingy is a non issue......really

    Good explanation. Thanks
  • T TexasAg1969

    @gftchris said:

    No, but performances do.

    And if Kessler continues to get better for the reminder of the season despite the OL problems, then selecting a QB matters not either.

    @texasag1969 said:

    And if Kessler continues to get better for the reminder of the season despite the OL problems, then selecting a QB matters not either.

    I agree Ag. I've posted it in other threads. How Kessler does the rest of the season will play a huge role how the Browns 2017 draft unfolds. So it's too early to speculate. Other than the D needs some serious help. 🙂

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  • I'll be watching Garrett closely today vs Bama. should be a great time.

    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • hoortaH hoorta

    @texasag1969 said:

    And if Kessler continues to get better for the reminder of the season despite the OL problems, then selecting a QB matters not either.

    I agree Ag. I've posted it in other threads. How Kessler does the rest of the season will play a huge role how the Browns 2017 draft unfolds. So it's too early to speculate. Other than the D needs some serious help. 🙂

    @hoorta said:

    I agree Ag. I've posted it in other threads. How Kessler does the rest of the season will play a huge role how the Browns 2017 draft unfolds. So it's too early to speculate. Other than the D needs some serious help. 🙂

    Agreed , But I would also say.. Cam Erving blows.. O-Line could use a good tweak , too!

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  • Kid is sucking wind after the first drive.

    Meanwhile Allen has produced a pressure and I as I type, a sack.

    #93 is still my preference.

  • Garrett is clearly not 100%. Hasn't mounted anything near a QB pressure. Handled a couple times by Howard in PassPro.

    Still I've been impressed with his awareness (covering the RB release for a screen near end of 1st Bama drive) and stacking and shedding the LT on a run stuff in Q2.

    That said... I'd wouldn't mind drafting the Bama front seven... and their RB, Harris (pre-concussion)... and their TE/H-back, Howard.

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  • I mentioned Garrett attacking outside too often as opposed to ripping back inside. On that fake sweep QB counter he walked himself right out of the play and I feel like he does that quite a bit. Nearly surrendered a TD.

  • So...I really like Allen.

  • Trubisky quietly put up 300 yards 3 td and an 80% comp rate 🙂

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