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  • poor poor horton

  • Watching the Cards and Seahawks get to 3-3 OT game because of defenses makes me sick when I think of today's game against Cincy.

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  • T TexasAg1969

    Watching the Cards and Seahawks get to 3-3 OT game because of defenses makes me sick when I think of today's game against Cincy.

    @texasag1969 said:

    Watching the Cards and Seahawks get to 3-3 OT game because of defenses makes me sick when I think of today's game against Cincy.

    These Ds are nasty....... Just like we used to be way back in the day.

    Browns149B miktoxicM 2 Replies

  • Interesting that the cardinals are only 4 years removed from horton...

  • D BoneD D Bone

    @texasag1969 said:

    Watching the Cards and Seahawks get to 3-3 OT game because of defenses makes me sick when I think of today's game against Cincy.

    These Ds are nasty....... Just like we used to be way back in the day.

    @d-bone said:

    These Ds are nasty....... Just like we used to be way back in the day.

    we were never as good as them
    "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
    D BoneD 1 Reply

  • Man, it's not horton or hue. It's the lame draft that came from believing in analytics. I agree with hoorta that the new FO has another draft in them to prove they are worthy. If not i think the whole lot goes in another flush of a regime.

  • D BoneD D Bone

    @texasag1969 said:

    Watching the Cards and Seahawks get to 3-3 OT game because of defenses makes me sick when I think of today's game against Cincy.

    These Ds are nasty....... Just like we used to be way back in the day.

    @d-bone said:

    These Ds are nasty....... Just like we used to be way back in the day.

    Ds are nasty and the kickers friggin blow. Don't be surprised if AZ releases theirs tomorrow.

    And i was bitching about releasing our kicker weeks ago. Our kicker is head and shoulders above what's going on in AZ.

  • T TexasAg1969

    Watching the Cards and Seahawks get to 3-3 OT game because of defenses makes me sick when I think of today's game against Cincy.

    @texasag1969 said:

    Watching the Cards and Seahawks get to 3-3 OT game because of defenses makes me sick when I think of today's game against Cincy.

    Wow, 6-6 tie in OT. Guess I should have watched. Time to drag out the history books for the last time (if ever) a 5 quarter OT game ever went without a TD being scored.

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  • You mean that shitty draft and FO that have 8.5 of our 12 sacks, 3 of our 6 ints and the qb that has the most yards and TD and the best qb rating for a browns rook posted? Coaching apparently is never to be held accountable on this board. 0-11 so far 0-7 in regular season and tied for 2nd worst in FRANCHISE history. I really believe we can go all 0-20 first time in nfl btw

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  • Browns149B Browns149

    @d-bone said:

    These Ds are nasty....... Just like we used to be way back in the day.

    we were never as good as them

    @browns149 said:

    we were never as good as them

    Our '80s Ds were pretty damn good. So was Belichick's D for our last playoff win against the Pats.

  • Zero firings until 2018 at the earliest.

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  • C CaineDeSoulis

    @hoorta said:

    Horton may suck Tom- but he has around zero talent to work with. The Browns have maybe 4-5 guys on our defense that even belong on an NFL roster. We picked up Nassib and Ogbah this year. So at the rate of 2 good defensive players a year, that the Harvard brainless trust are getting us- It should only take around 3-4 more years to have the possibility of having a good defense.

    I'm with you on this one- you get special team players in the 4th-round and lower- not starters (unless you get damn lucky.) Sushi and DePo Repo probably only have one more season to show how brilliant they are. Right now, the only excitement left is seeing if we can luck into a win. I put the over\under at 2- 1\2 wins before the season. I'd say your Vegas bet is looking like a lead pipe lock.

    Arizona Cardinals in 2011-12 no Talent

    Cleveland Browns in 2013 we have no talent!

    Tennessee Titans 2014-2015 No talent here!

    Cleveland Browns 2016 No talent to be found!

    Thats the problem with horton he just keeps getting on to teams with no talent real shame that...

    @cainedesoulis said:

    Arizona Cardinals in 2011-12 no Talent

    Cleveland Browns in 2013 we have no talent!

    Tennessee Titans 2014-2015 No talent here!

    Cleveland Browns 2016 No talent to be found!

    Thats the problem with horton he just keeps getting on to teams with no talent real shame that...

    2011 Arizona - 18th in overall D

    2012 Arizona - 12th

    2014 Tennessee - 27th

    2015 Tennessee - 12th

    So the teams got better with him as DC. That being said, in 2013 Arizona were 8th, and in 2016 the Titans are 8th. So he might have had an impact, might not. I suspect, shockingly, there's more to it than stats.

  • W wargograw

    Zero firings until 2018 at the earliest.

    @wargograw said:

    Zero firings until 2018 at the earliest.

    Cool, we'll be 0-42 before that stupid fucking, DC goes

  • I am no fan of Hortons, but right now we have zero talent on D. None.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    I am no fan of Hortons, but right now we have zero talent on D. None.

    @ballpeen said:

    I am no fan of Hortons, but right now we have zero talent on D. None.

    Bullshit! Each and every one excelled in college and know how to play their position. It takes the coach to plan the chess match and utilize that talent in the best way possible. Only once in a while does a player come in and Excell. That's your playmaker. Coaching is everything in the NFL. Horton couldn't coach here in the past, didn't do so great for 2 other teams and is back. Now he's part owner of an 0-7 record. He sucked then, sucks today and will suck tomorrow. Him and whoever thought he is some sort of great NFL DC should all be shitcanned. Patience my ass! When a good HC takes over, the changes are immediate and for the better. I have witnessed this happen several times before and will happen again. How's the ST play going? O line? QB life expectancy? D line? D backfield? 2 minute drill? Other than new faces, is there game day improvement anywhere? All I have seen is redefining the word suck!

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  • "Each and every one excelled in college and know how to play their position"

    So did basically everyone in the NFL (except Mingo). Are you saying there's no talent difference between the players? Or each team only gets a couple of 'playmakers' and everyone else is just an interchangeable scrub?

    flyingfooldougF 1 Reply
  • flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug

    @ballpeen said:

    I am no fan of Hortons, but right now we have zero talent on D. None.

    Bullshit! Each and every one excelled in college and know how to play their position. It takes the coach to plan the chess match and utilize that talent in the best way possible. Only once in a while does a player come in and Excell. That's your playmaker. Coaching is everything in the NFL. Horton couldn't coach here in the past, didn't do so great for 2 other teams and is back. Now he's part owner of an 0-7 record. He sucked then, sucks today and will suck tomorrow. Him and whoever thought he is some sort of great NFL DC should all be shitcanned. Patience my ass! When a good HC takes over, the changes are immediate and for the better. I have witnessed this happen several times before and will happen again. How's the ST play going? O line? QB life expectancy? D line? D backfield? 2 minute drill? Other than new faces, is there game day improvement anywhere? All I have seen is redefining the word suck!

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    is there game day improvement anywhere?

    Yes, we are killer at coin tosses. We have won all but 1 or 2. but than of course we differ to put our great defense in harms way 😕

    Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends Team Brotherhood-"It's not about You,Me or I. It's about building We"..Hue Jackson
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  • gftChrisG gftChris

    "Each and every one excelled in college and know how to play their position"

    So did basically everyone in the NFL (except Mingo). Are you saying there's no talent difference between the players? Or each team only gets a couple of 'playmakers' and everyone else is just an interchangeable scrub?

    @gftchris said:

    "Each and every one excelled in college and know how to play their position"

    So did basically everyone in the NFL (except Mingo). Are you saying there's no talent difference between the players? Or each team only gets a couple of 'playmakers' and everyone else is just an interchangeable scrub?

    I would have to say that in the 2-300 kids picked in the draft that there is very little difference in talent level. In a coaches league it's all about using your guys smarter than they use their guys. Billy B does not have all playmakers but sure wins a lot by out coaching the other guy. We need to find a high IQ guy that lives, eats, breathes football. He should be young, hungry and learn by their mistakes. Hue is a good dude, friendly, personable and tries. But I just don't see long term NFL success in his future. Christmas of next year, he will be quietly sipping Mai Tai's with Mike in Aruba on Jimmy's dime.
  • gumby73G gumby73

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    is there game day improvement anywhere?

    Yes, we are killer at coin tosses. We have won all but 1 or 2. but than of course we differ to put our great defense in harms way 😕

    @gumby73 said:

    Yes, we are killer at coin tosses. We have won all but 1 or 2. but than of course we differ to put our great defense in harms way 😕

    Ya, but then we choose to put our weakness on the field 1st.

  • C CaineDeSoulis

    You mean that shitty draft and FO that have 8.5 of our 12 sacks, 3 of our 6 ints and the qb that has the most yards and TD and the best qb rating for a browns rook posted? Coaching apparently is never to be held accountable on this board. 0-11 so far 0-7 in regular season and tied for 2nd worst in FRANCHISE history. I really believe we can go all 0-20 first time in nfl btw

    @cainedesoulis said:

    You mean that shitty draft and FO that have 8.5 of our 12 sacks, 3 of our 6 ints and the qb that has the most yards and TD and the best qb rating for a browns rook posted? Coaching apparently is never to be held accountable on this board. 0-11 so far 0-7 in regular season and tied for 2nd worst in FRANCHISE history. I really believe we can go all 0-20 first time in nfl btw

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    Bullshit! Each and every one excelled in college and know how to play their position.

    bullshit is right to both your arguments.

    no difference in talent levels? what are you insane? so one player that is able to push another player 10 yards off the line of scrimmage but can't with another player at that same position and your're saying there's no difference in talent? our starters would be lucky to be substitute players on a good team. NO BLUE CHIP talent. none. and that the drafting of this FO cuz god knows this FO got rid of everyone else.

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