Ogbahs leading us in sacks...
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All good replies on Ogbah in Coverage. We left from a O'Neil system with Mingo & Robertson at OLB. To a Horton system now with Kirksey & Schobert at OLB. If the plan was Kirksey gives us what Robbie did? Kirksey has been damn close to some picks & breakups but just not making them yet. I think Kirksey will be by mid-season (like now).Still gotta believe Schobert will outplay Mingo at OLB with more reps. I'd call it a mid-season DRAW at OLB for now. Compared to last season.
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Bosa is going to be great! Ezekiel Elliot is great! The Browns passed on both! Go back to a 4-3 for crying out loud! Browns defense is an embarrassment to professional sports. Their perfect season is going to be a reality and they better draft a franchise QB!
Get rid of Sashi and Podesta, hire some scouts who actually know talent and put the muzzle on Haslam! Haslam is no Kraft or Jerry Jones that's for sure!
Bosa is going to be great! Ezekiel Elliot is great! The Browns passed on both! Go back to a 4-3 for crying out loud! Browns defense is an embarrassment to professional sports. Their perfect season is going to be a reality and they better draft a franchise QB!
Get rid of Sashi and Podesta, hire some scouts who actually know talent and put the muzzle on Haslam! Haslam is no Kraft or Jerry Jones that's for sure!
Holy hell, why do you keep talking as if the Browns were the lady In line at the grocery store who let the Chargers and Cowboys Go ahead of her because they only had one item.
The Browns were compensated for their willingness to move down and there are still a lot of variables to account for. If Coleman turns into a guy who can produce consistently the way he did against the Ravens, you still gonna bitch? If the Browns use the extra picks you seem to be forgetting to add pro bowl players to the roster, you gonna bitch?
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A player's aptitude? Things like the three cone drill directly relate to how quickly a player can change direction, and that's what cleve was saying Ogbah can't do well enough to cover gronk. I'm saying, his change of direction is on par with Gronk's. Perhaps not someone like Sproles, but a tight end should be coverable.
That stuff about his stiffness or whatever, that relates to pass rushing.
A player's aptitude? Things like the three cone drill directly relate to how quickly a player can change direction, and that's what cleve was saying Ogbah can't do well enough to cover gronk. I'm saying, his change of direction is on par with Gronk's. Perhaps not someone like Sproles, but a tight end should be coverable.
That stuff about his stiffness or whatever, that relates to pass rushing.
Chris- measurables aren't the be all and end all of predicting how a player will do in the NFL. Plenty of workout warriors have flopped, (Vernon Gholston) and guys who had lousy measurables are in the HOF- I'll give you two. Steve Largent and Ray Lewis (lock) were considered "too slow".
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Bosa is going to be great! Ezekiel Elliot is great! The Browns passed on both! Go back to a 4-3 for crying out loud! Browns defense is an embarrassment to professional sports. Their perfect season is going to be a reality and they better draft a franchise QB!
Get rid of Sashi and Podesta, hire some scouts who actually know talent and put the muzzle on Haslam! Haslam is no Kraft or Jerry Jones that's for sure!
Bosa is going to be great! Ezekiel Elliot is great! The Browns passed on both! Go back to a 4-3 for crying out loud! Browns defense is an embarrassment to professional sports. Their perfect season is going to be a reality and they better draft a franchise QB!
Get rid of Sashi and Podesta, hire some scouts who actually know talent and put the muzzle on Haslam! Haslam is no Kraft or Jerry Jones that's for sure!
Sure- firing people every year has worked great too.
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Interesting splinter conversations...
On 3-cones vs. reality...
Agree 3-cone and coverage techniques differ (no back-peddling in 3-cone), but the drill is a good agility check. The element it completely lacks is reaction time, but there are other ways to measure that.
On coverage...
Emphasis on the discussion seems to be man. I don't see that as Ogbah's forte, but for the frequency he will drop if he can get some depth in a zone, react to throws in his area and deliver a shot on the receiver... that'll do.
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Ogbah's leading us in sacks.. but still sucks vs the run. And defending the pass. Other than that, he's great.
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Ogbah hasnt taken the league by storm or anything.....but Ive reserved my judgement on him, cause I think they threw a lot at him, too early.....switching him from DE to OLB back to DE then to OLB all in a month or 2......
now....while he isnt making a lot of big play, he is quietly having a pretty decent season.....statistically, he has already equaled Krugers production for all of '15....and he seems to be getting a bit better as we go.....he is on track to have a similar rookie year to Sheard, who had 55 tackles and 8.5 sacks......I would be pleased with that, assuming he could build on it going forward and become a double digit sacker with 60-75 tackles.....
Nassib?.....needs work.....like his mentality.....but stat wise...7 tackles in 5 games is very little productivity.....
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In nassibs defense he's been club handing it for 2-3 games hasnt he? He started off real well, its a shsme csuse without that injury his progression might have been something to see by now. Im very pleasantly surprised by these twi edge guys we drafted. If they keep it up ill shut up about bosa
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In nassibs defense he's been club handing it for 2-3 games hasnt he? He started off real well, its a shsme csuse without that injury his progression might have been something to see by now. Im very pleasantly surprised by these twi edge guys we drafted. If they keep it up ill shut up about bosa
In nassibs defense he's been club handing it for 2-3 games hasnt he? He started off real well, its a shsme csuse without that injury his progression might have been something to see by now. Im very pleasantly surprised by these twi edge guys we drafted. If they keep it up ill shut up about bosa
Yep. They seem to show some promise that they can develop some pressure on the QB and get there.....Im optimistic that they will develop to the point that they are an upgrade over what we've had....BUT, I still dont see that "difference maker" maneater EVERY great defense has(and needs)......we gotta get 2 players...one for the line AND one at LB who are GREAT...not ok....
and, right now, Im fairly certain they are not here yet....
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I know their not nfl ready but thats why they didnt go 1st round and bosa went 3. But if they continue like they are we may be able to leave that position alone in the draft fir awhile and get that qb or ol.
Im not that high on garrett. I kind of like this peppers kid from michigan. If we went to a 4-3 id put him at olb'er or free safety.
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I know their not nfl ready but thats why they didnt go 1st round and bosa went 3. But if they continue like they are we may be able to leave that position alone in the draft fir awhile and get that qb or ol.
Im not that high on garrett. I kind of like this peppers kid from michigan. If we went to a 4-3 id put him at olb'er or free safety.
I know their not nfl ready but thats why they didnt go 1st round and bosa went 3. But if they continue like they are we may be able to leave that position alone in the draft fir awhile and get that qb or ol.
Im not that high on garrett. I kind of like this peppers kid from michigan. If we went to a 4-3 id put him at olb'er or free safety.
I agree with Mud. We need that "great" player player that makes QB's throw too early and allows the db's to stay with receivers for shorter time periods. No one we have shows that ability. We need that before a safety and since there are many good safeties this year, we can wait on that pick until AFTER we have the pass rusher. I also agree with Tour that if you get that great player he will get so much attention, it will make his opposite side teammate that much better.
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I know their not nfl ready but thats why they didnt go 1st round and bosa went 3. But if they continue like they are we may be able to leave that position alone in the draft fir awhile and get that qb or ol.
Im not that high on garrett. I kind of like this peppers kid from michigan. If we went to a 4-3 id put him at olb'er or free safety.
I agree with Mud. We need that "great" player player that makes QB's throw too early and allows the db's to stay with receivers for shorter time periods. No one we have shows that ability. We need that before a safety and since there are many good safeties this year, we can wait on that pick until AFTER we have the pass rusher. I also agree with Tour that if you get that great player he will get so much attention, it will make his opposite side teammate that much better.
. I also agree with Tour that if you get that great player he will get so much attention, it will make his opposite side teammate that much better.
Right....EXAMPLE.....one only needs to watch the 2014 tape to see how Kruger GREATLY benefitted from Sheard pushing QB's into his lap....
I once went backed and watched every....single.....sack.....and determined that, without Sheard, Krugers 11 sacks would actually have been closer to 4
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Ogbah has looked solid on early downs at LE today. Pretty much where he was pegged to play during preseason.
I just don't see an every down OLB. I see a classic LE.
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Ogbah has looked solid on early downs at LE today. Pretty much where he was pegged to play during preseason.
I just don't see an every down OLB. I see a classic LE.
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Honestly id rather see nassib develop on the other side thsn drafting another undersized DE who we're gonna fuck with trying to find his fit
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I see garret more as a situational rush end or olb'er
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In nassibs defense he's been club handing it for 2-3 games hasnt he? He started off real well, its a shsme csuse without that injury his progression might have been something to see by now. Im very pleasantly surprised by these twi edge guys we drafted. If they keep it up ill shut up about bosa
Yep. They seem to show some promise that they can develop some pressure on the QB and get there.....Im optimistic that they will develop to the point that they are an upgrade over what we've had....BUT, I still dont see that "difference maker" maneater EVERY great defense has(and needs)......we gotta get 2 players...one for the line AND one at LB who are GREAT...not ok....
and, right now, Im fairly certain they are not here yet....
Yep. They seem to show some promise that they can develop some pressure on the QB and get there.....Im optimistic that they will develop to the point that they are an upgrade over what we've had....BUT, I still dont see that "difference maker" maneater EVERY great defense has(and needs)......we gotta get 2 players...one for the line AND one at LB who are GREAT...not ok....
and, right now, Im fairly certain they are not here yet....
I feel the same way, and this is the main reason I so desperately want Myles Garrett. Like you said earlier, if we can have a stud on one size, it would greatly assist the likes of Nassib and Ogbah. There's obviously no such thing as "a sure fire pick", but Garrett is a stud, and he's got the goods.
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Honestly id rather see nassib develop on the other side thsn drafting another undersized DE who we're gonna fuck with trying to find his fit
Honestly id rather see nassib develop on the other side thsn drafting another undersized DE who we're gonna fuck with trying to find his fit
LOL! 6'5" 270 with no fat and 4.5 speed is not undersized (nor under-talented). They call those kinds of players "difference makers".
Edit: Jadeveon Clowney 6'6" 267 4.5 speed is doing just fine now after injury recovery, even without JJ Watt on the other side. There is the best comparison.
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Thats the smallest 270 ive ever seen. I mean cmon ogbah weighs around that and look at his build.
http://imgix.scout.com/121/1211903.jpg?w=227
http://cdn-s3.si.com/s3fs-public/2015/07/28/garrett-mid-thamel.jpg
Hard to imagine thats 270
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