Browns Trade for Patriots LB Jamie Collins
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He's an OLB, which (hopefully) confirms the Ogbah experiment is over......and also confirms that Schobert hitting the bench wasnt a mistake(been calling for that since the 2nd preseason game).....Id expect Ogs and Nassib to be your 2 ends and the 4-3 to be used more often....other olbs are lemonier or something like that?....& Cam Johnson.....
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Just watched some videos on NFL Network, and Ian Rappaport stated that Browns are basically giving Collins an "8 game tryout", and Collins' agent actually said the linebacker is happy about going to Cleveland and going to a team that wants him. Rappaport further stated that Collins and his agent turned down a deal with Patriots that would've paid him over $10 million a year. Yikes!
It's also been said by multiple analysts that Patriots were tired of Collins "doing whatever he wanted to" on defense, and he did that a few times against the Bills. One such play was a 28 yard gain by the Bills, and it infuriated the Pats. That, combined with his inability to stay healthy, make Collins disposable.
Jamie Collins knows NOTHING about our defensive scheme, and I'm not even sure where the guy will play. Demario Davis has been playing well enough, Kirksey has been even better, and I'm not sure who will sit the bench in order for Collins to get time. Still, if Collins can stay healthy and make PLAYS, then I think we have a nice fixture on the defensive side of the ball. Rappaport also said that Browns will have to get a deal done because they will most likely franchise Pryor.
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Agree...
Another factor making Collins expendable mentioned on NFL Insiders today is the play of Rookie LB Elandon Roberts, a 6th rounder out of UH. At 5'11 and 235 he's the physical opposite of Collins, but has impressed Bill B & Co. Showed a play in their game vs. us where he met Joe T trying to run block him and planted Joe on his ass.
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Just watched some videos on NFL Network, and Ian Rappaport stated that Browns are basically giving Collins an "8 game tryout", and Collins' agent actually said the linebacker is happy about going to Cleveland and going to a team that wants him. Rappaport further stated that Collins and his agent turned down a deal with Patriots that would've paid him over $10 million a year. Yikes!
It's also been said by multiple analysts that Patriots were tired of Collins "doing whatever he wanted to" on defense, and he did that a few times against the Bills. One such play was a 28 yard gain by the Bills, and it infuriated the Pats. That, combined with his inability to stay healthy, make Collins disposable.
Jamie Collins knows NOTHING about our defensive scheme, and I'm not even sure where the guy will play. Demario Davis has been playing well enough, Kirksey has been even better, and I'm not sure who will sit the bench in order for Collins to get time. Still, if Collins can stay healthy and make PLAYS, then I think we have a nice fixture on the defensive side of the ball. Rappaport also said that Browns will have to get a deal done because they will most likely franchise Pryor.
It's also been said by multiple analysts that Patriots were tired of Collins "doing whatever he wanted to" on defense,Bill wants you doing what he wants you doing.
...so they shipped him to Hue at the NFL's Siberia.
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Funny he's liked by PFF because his play this year has been pretty averaged compared to what he's done before.
Basically Jamie is new Mingo except he's able to finish plays when he gets there.
Funny he's liked by PFF because his play this year has been pretty averaged compared to what he's done before.
Basically Jamie is new Mingo except he's able to finish plays when he gets there.
From the article: "With the only knock against Collins being his 34 missed tackles the past two seasons, the Patriot is the best linebacker in the AFC"
Yep, he'll fit right in to our defensive scheme.
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This thread alone shows how far the organisation needs to go to win any sort of respect back. This is a great move for a great player with zero downside and people are being negative.
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This thread alone shows how far the organisation needs to go to win any sort of respect back. This is a great move for a great player with zero downside and people are being negative.
This thread alone shows how far the organisation needs to go to win any sort of respect back. This is a great move for a great player with zero downside and people are being negative.
No negativity here! I think it's a great move. We're basically "trying out" Collins to see if he can be a guy we build around. If we can go into the draft already HAVING our defensive centerpiece...
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So which one of Bill and Sashi do we suppose was eating pancakes?
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This thread alone shows how far the organisation needs to go to win any sort of respect back. This is a great move for a great player with zero downside and people are being negative.
This thread alone shows how far the organisation needs to go to win any sort of respect back. This is a great move for a great player with zero downside and people are being negative.
A trade with zero downside... first ever?
So which one of Bill and Sashi do we suppose was eating pancakes?
Which of the two looks like a glutten-free motherfucker?
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This thread alone shows how far the organisation needs to go to win any sort of respect back. This is a great move for a great player with zero downside and people are being negative.
A trade with zero downside... first ever?
So which one of Bill and Sashi do we suppose was eating pancakes?
Which of the two looks like a glutten-free motherfucker?
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We have to wonder why the guy is not working out in NE, under the czar.
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We have to wonder why the guy is not working out in NE, under the czar.
We have to wonder why the guy is not working out in NE, under the czar.
Yup. Something tells me this isnt the great win win being predicted. I dont biy its just cause of money that NE is offloafing him.
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There definitely might be a red flag. Maybe he's getting a big head, but if he wants to get von miller money he better put up for it. Obviously bill thinks he can draft a replacement pretty easily and snap him in that position in his system. I mean after this year, if he doesn't want to be here we can franchise tag him, but then he might leave the year after that (especially if things don't get better). I give props to the FO for grabbing someone that, and i'll stay optimistic. Gotta build the D somehow. Hate to say it, but i much rather would of wanted us to sign a Free Agent who wanted to be here. Lets hope Collins wants to be here and stay here after this year.
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There definitely might be a red flag. Maybe he's getting a big head, but if he wants to get von miller money he better put up for it. Obviously bill thinks he can draft a replacement pretty easily and snap him in that position in his system. I mean after this year, if he doesn't want to be here we can franchise tag him, but then he might leave the year after that (especially if things don't get better). I give props to the FO for grabbing someone that, and i'll stay optimistic. Gotta build the D somehow. Hate to say it, but i much rather would of wanted us to sign a Free Agent who wanted to be here. Lets hope Collins wants to be here and stay here after this year.
There definitely might be a red flag. Maybe he's getting a big head, but if he wants to get von miller money he better put up for it. Obviously bill thinks he can draft a replacement pretty easily and snap him in that position in his system. I mean after this year, if he doesn't want to be here we can franchise tag him, but then he might leave the year after that (especially if things don't get better). I give props to the FO for grabbing someone that, and i'll stay optimistic. Gotta build the D somehow. Hate to say it, but i much rather would of wanted us to sign a Free Agent who wanted to be here. Lets hope Collins wants to be here and stay here after this year.
I've heard that he wants around 12 mil a year. Will Stosh pay? Or will cCollins walk...I e Mack
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There definitely might be a red flag. Maybe he's getting a big head, but if he wants to get von miller money he better put up for it. Obviously bill thinks he can draft a replacement pretty easily and snap him in that position in his system. I mean after this year, if he doesn't want to be here we can franchise tag him, but then he might leave the year after that (especially if things don't get better). I give props to the FO for grabbing someone that, and i'll stay optimistic. Gotta build the D somehow. Hate to say it, but i much rather would of wanted us to sign a Free Agent who wanted to be here. Lets hope Collins wants to be here and stay here after this year.
I've heard that he wants around 12 mil a year. Will Stosh pay? Or will cCollins walk...I e Mack
I've heard that he wants around 12 mil a year. Will Stosh pay? Or will cCollins walk...I e Mack
From Rotoworld:
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Browns ILB Jamie Collins is looking for more than $12 million per season on his next deal.
Luke Kuechly's $12.36 million AAV is the most among off-ball linebackers, and it sounds like Collins wants to beat that mark. Considering the Browns have a ton of cap space and will want to keep him after giving up a third-round pick, there is a decent chance he reaches that goal. Trading with the Patriots does not usually work out, but Collins has the talent to be a defensive building block for Cleveland. -
Honestly, with our cap situation, you might as well go ahead and do it. Make it a three year deal. If he doesn't live up to it, no skin off anyone's back.
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So which one of Bill and Sashi do we suppose was eating pancakes?
I'll give Patrisha all the pancakes he wants for a year (can't beat a Boston maple syrup though) most reads point to his $$, but the tape & class rooms failures would come from Patrisha. Watched Buff. & Pats replay & Patrisha was not happy with Collins free lancing on sidelines again. They have his younger replacement & Collins wants playing time..well... welcome to Cleveland & here's 12.5M..now go tackle on gameday
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So which one of Bill and Sashi do we suppose was eating pancakes?
I'll give Patrisha all the pancakes he wants for a year (can't beat a Boston maple syrup though) most reads point to his $$, but the tape & class rooms failures would come from Patrisha. Watched Buff. & Pats replay & Patrisha was not happy with Collins free lancing on sidelines again. They have his younger replacement & Collins wants playing time..well... welcome to Cleveland & here's 12.5M..now go tackle on gameday
They have his younger replacement...
Bingo... some combo of the UH rookie and Mingo is there now.
$12mm per could be about right to keep him. Would slot him at 4th highest 3-4 OLB.
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Bingo... some combo of the UH rookie and Mingo is there now.
$12mm per could be about right to keep him. Would slot him at 4th highest 3-4 OLB.
And the top 3 ahead of him are cornerstone pass rushers. I understand how necessary it may be to pay a little extra from time to time but Collins isn't Von, Houston, Ware, Etc etc. Only problem is - I don't think he realizes that.
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Bingo... some combo of the UH rookie and Mingo is there now.
$12mm per could be about right to keep him. Would slot him at 4th highest 3-4 OLB.
And the top 3 ahead of him are cornerstone pass rushers. I understand how necessary it may be to pay a little extra from time to time but Collins isn't Von, Houston, Ware, Etc etc. Only problem is - I don't think he realizes that.
And the top 3 ahead of him are cornerstone pass rushers. I understand how necessary it may be to pay a little extra from time to time but Collins isn't Von, Houston, Ware, Etc etc. Only problem is - I don't think he realizes that.
I could not agree more...
But you'd think the price he fetched might be a reality check...
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