Hopes, dreams and fears for games 9-16
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pretty obvious that most of us want to see those things...
but throwing off on Danny Shelton was stupid - the kid
very obviously means business, lost that weight -
you worry too much, Chris.
The Browns need to draft/sign a safety and fix the secondary. Without Joe Haden in there,
they are nearly helpless.
Kindred can play - he will be even better next year. S or CB in the first round.
I do believe thte Browns will draft a qb. I would hope, though it's very..very early, that it would
be Trubisky. Not sold on Kizer at this point.
Still don't know if/how RGIII sees the field like he needs to. I admire McCown - Kessler makes the
quickest, smartest decisions of the three. Right now, I think Trubisky is like Kessler with a bigger arm.
Still, I LOVE the way the Browns play this year- as far as attitude, going for it- being a TEAM, ..
they are just not that many players away. They kick ass often and move the ball, etc.
The defense is starting to shove the run up the middle in the offenses' face.
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Huge holes at C,RT,blocking TE on O. Who is Gabe Ikard at C till 2017 contract up? Pasztor contract up 17, who is S Coleman/Durango? Barney is killing us on blocking assignments, Who is Telfer & Devalve? Must find true KR/PR guy? Serious holes on D. Shelton? with no depth. LDE-Naz & X.Coop seem to disappear for long spells. LILB-D.Davis,under performing? Who is this guy Alexander & Scooby? Our FS & RCB is our worst hole when FS is T.Howard starts over Ed Reynolds? RCB-dancin J.Taylor,T Will & Burley (belch)...Got to get Collins,Pryor,Crow & Meder done b4 2017 imo, leaving on FA bubble, J.Taylor,Poyer,Paea,Colquitt,Pasztor,Cam Johnson, WR Randall Hall(hue likes him),G. Ikard ?(T,got anything on this guy?),Ed Reynolds,K. Hogan or/RG3?, Parkey/Murray?....Greco/Bino/Des/Kirksey/Reiter/RG3/McC/T.Will come up in 2018... Hopes-Talent//Dreams-Cheerleaders//Fears-always Haslem
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I don't know how much stock you guys put into Pro Football Focus, but Austin Pasztor was ranked like top three IN THE LEAGUE after the third game. I heard that on the radio show Monday I think. I don't expect him to keep up that level of play, but still...remember the beginning of the year? Yeah, it appears as if he can play. He's especially adept at run blocking I think. That's some good news, right?
My hopes are that Pryor stays healthy and we sign him to a long term deal. I DON'T want to franchise him, and I want him locked up. He's exactly the kind of guy we want on our football team (I think I read that he returned to practice today, yay!)
My biggest thing is Kessler playing better and staying healthy. He does that, and we have something. Virtually every part of our offense is intact, and it's something to really build on. I want to see our defense start creating turnovers. We've gotten a lot of pass deflections, but we're not getting the picks. Our DB's have had their hands on the ball, yet they're not making the play. We aren't stripping the ball or getting to the QB enough. I also want to see our defense start holding opposition to more FG's.
I also hope to see Ogbah continue to get better and make more plays, Coleman to stay healthy and be the weapon we need, and our FG kicker to continue to make his kicks.
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I had high hopes for the second season, but so many injuries did not allow us to get any real "seasoning" as an intact team. Add to that last Sunday's collapse and I just can't get excited about any sudden change of direction or play. So that just leaves play them all as much as we can and who gives a shit about the outcome. Then we get to play the draft game now 'till draft day. Then I will likely be scratching my head once again trying to see what they think they see in the FO. Yeah, that's worked out well.
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Pretty sure you heard that PFF part wrong, jiggins. Pasztor sucks.
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Pretty sure you heard that PFF part wrong, jiggins. Pasztor sucks.
Nope, heard the same thing myself.
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A little bird sent me the following article...
Cleveland Browns: Austin Pasztor excelling at pass protection
by Joel W. Cade 1 day ago
Cleveland Browns right tackle Austin Pasztor has struggled mightily at right tackle this season. Find out how he has turned it around.
Cleveland Browns offensive line coach Hal Hunter deserves a raise. His work with the offensive line has been nothing short of amazing.
Just four weeks ago, the line was giving up massive hits on quarterbacks, turning the position into a living hell on earth. However, one month later the offensive line who should have struggled against a very good New York Jets front seven went out and protected Josh McCown well. Their play gave the Browns an opportunity to win the game. Unfortunately, failure to execute from the quarterback and wide receiver positions ultimately held the offense back.
Helping the offensive line was a change in the way offensive line calls were made. Josh McCown called out the mike in pass protection coverage and he made relevant line blocking calls. When a call was made at the line of scrimmage, it was usually John Greco making the calls. He called out the changes in protections and run blocking schemes.
This sounds contradictory so let me explain. McCown made the initial call based on what the defense lined up at initially. McCown then made a dummy cadence call to get the defense to show their hand. If changes were necessary after that point, they were made by John Greco. McCown made changes with the receivers and backs. This system worked very well for the Browns on Sunday.
The most improved player over the past four weeks is far and away Austin Pasztor. I have been very critical of Pasztor in my articles. It is nice to see his play not only improve but actually be outstanding for his position.
Run blocking has always been his strength. He is a pure road grater who has opened many holes in the running game. However, pass protection has been a serious struggle for him. Over the past few weeks, Pasztor has consistently improved in pass protection. Dare I say it, but Pasztor right now is a better overall tackle than Mitchell Schwartz (whose game is limited to pass protection).
Pasztor gets off the ball
Pasztorโs sets in pass protection are much improved. Early in the season, Pasztor struggled to get out of his stance, create space and set to take on the defender quickly enough.
Pasztor was consistently late out of his stance. This created problems for him on the rest of the block. It would make sense for him to get out of his stance late because of his switch from guard to tackle. At guard, it is easier to hear the cadence and see the ball.
Tackle is like playing on an island in pass protection. There is a greater need to time the snap at tackle as opposed to guard. As a guard, one can compensate for being late off the ball because there is less ground to cover and help from the center. At tackle, especially facing a speed rusher, there is more ground to cover and less time to cover it.
In order to cover the ground quickly, the tackle must anticipate the snap count must like a defensive end. The offense knows the snap count, but if he can get off a little earlier without false starting, then a major advantage is created. This is why tackles will more often false start than guards in pass protection.
Pasztor has figured out the skill of anticipating the snap. It has allowed him to create space more effectively and to get set before the initial contact with the defender. A good start leads to a good block. Pasztor is figuring that out.
Pasztor beating the Wide-9 Rush
Pasztor has figured out how to set the Wide-9 technique. Pasztor struggled early in the season against speed rushers converting speed to power. He still struggles to an extent but he is figuring out how to cut off the inside line from rushers.
In previous games, Pasztor would be late off the ball and unprepared at the point of contact. As such, he was at the mercy of the defender. That is, his failure to set allowed the defender to make any move he wanted and take any path to the quarterback he wanted.
Now Pasztor is setting on time. In addition, he is using his body to dictate terms to the defender. In previous weeks, Pasztor would open his hips to face the defender giving the defender two options. He gave up major hits on Griffin, McCown and Kessler when beat on the inside move. Now Pasztor is keeping his shoulders and hips square to the line of scrimmage closing off that inside lane. By doing so, he dictates to the defender the lane he can rush.
By dictating terms to the defender, Pasztor is taking control of the pass protection and making his job much easier. For example, by setting setting square and closing off the inside lane, Pasztor is forcing defenders to take the longer outside lane. This plays into his hands as he can run a speed rusher past the quarterback or stand up the power rusher creating a nice pocket for the quarterback.
The improvement of Austin Pasztor is real and should be taken seriously. Hal Hunter deserves a raise for his work with Pasztor. I once asked, can Austin Pasztor be fixed? The answer is clearly yes because he has been fixed. This is great news for Browns quarterbacks.
http://dawgpounddaily.com/2016/11/02/cleveland-browns-austin-pasztor-excelling-at-pass-protection/3/
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
As for the OP...
I hope we:
- get through the remainder of the year with no significant injuries.
- complete evaluations of both Kess and RG3.
- end the season with no more than one question mark in the OL.
- see our rookie WR crop develop.
- see what Devalve has.
- a cohesive D developing with the whole > the sum of its parts.
I dream of:
- the #1 overall pick.
I fear:
- Haslam's judgement.
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pretty obvious that most of us want to see those things...
but throwing off on Danny Shelton was stupid - the kid
very obviously means business, lost that weight -
you worry too much, Chris.
The Browns need to draft/sign a safety and fix the secondary. Without Joe Haden in there,
they are nearly helpless.
Kindred can play - he will be even better next year. S or CB in the first round.
I do believe thte Browns will draft a qb. I would hope, though it's very..very early, that it would
be Trubisky. Not sold on Kizer at this point.
Still don't know if/how RGIII sees the field like he needs to. I admire McCown - Kessler makes the
quickest, smartest decisions of the three. Right now, I think Trubisky is like Kessler with a bigger arm.
Still, I LOVE the way the Browns play this year- as far as attitude, going for it- being a TEAM, ..
they are just not that many players away. They kick ass often and move the ball, etc.
The defense is starting to shove the run up the middle in the offenses' face.
pretty obvious that most of us want to see those things...
but throwing off on Danny Shelton was stupid - the kid
very obviously means business, lost that weight -
you worry too much, Chris.
The Browns need to draft/sign a safety and fix the secondary. Without Joe Haden in there,
they are nearly helpless.
Kindred can play - he will be even better next year. S or CB in the first round.
I do believe thte Browns will draft a qb. I would hope, though it's very..very early, that it would
be Trubisky. Not sold on Kizer at this point.
Still don't know if/how RGIII sees the field like he needs to. I admire McCown - Kessler makes the
quickest, smartest decisions of the three. Right now, I think Trubisky is like Kessler with a bigger arm.
Still, I LOVE the way the Browns play this year- as far as attitude, going for it- being a TEAM, ..
they are just not that many players away. They kick ass often and move the ball, etc.
The defense is starting to shove the run up the middle in the offenses' face.
Your formatting made me read your post as a poem
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Plain and simply I see progress! Small steps,no quitting,and love of the game! Wont be a quick turn around,but there will be one! Coaching is acceptable. The small group of vets we have is leading, not looking to leave ASAP! I'm staying positive,while being cautiosly optimistic! This group plus what we add this off season, if they stay the course. Will in my opinion get results! We have major cap space,draft capital,decent front office,and a positive direction! GO BROWNS!!!
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pretty obvious that most of us want to see those things...
but throwing off on Danny Shelton was stupid - the kid
very obviously means business, lost that weight -
you worry too much, Chris.
The Browns need to draft/sign a safety and fix the secondary. Without Joe Haden in there,
they are nearly helpless.
Kindred can play - he will be even better next year. S or CB in the first round.
I do believe thte Browns will draft a qb. I would hope, though it's very..very early, that it would
be Trubisky. Not sold on Kizer at this point.
Still don't know if/how RGIII sees the field like he needs to. I admire McCown - Kessler makes the
quickest, smartest decisions of the three. Right now, I think Trubisky is like Kessler with a bigger arm.
Still, I LOVE the way the Browns play this year- as far as attitude, going for it- being a TEAM, ..
they are just not that many players away. They kick ass often and move the ball, etc.
The defense is starting to shove the run up the middle in the offenses' face.
Your formatting made me read your post as a poem
Your formatting made me read you post as a poem
Here ya go...
pretty obvious that most of us want to see those things...
but throwing off on Danny Shelton stings -
the kid very obviously means business, lost that weight -
you worry too much, Chris. Don't hate.
The Browns need to draft/sign a safety and fix the secondary.
Without Joe Haden in there, they are worse than ordinary.
Kindred can play - he will be even better next year.
S or CB in the first round. Hope he wants to play here.
I do believe thte Browns will draft a qb.
I would hope, though it's very..very early, but we'll see.
Hope it would be Trubisky we anoint . Not sold on Kizer at this point.
Not seeing the field is a problem with RGIII.
I admire McCown - Kessler makes the quickest, smartest decisions of the three.
Right now, I think Trubisky is like Kessler with a bigger arm.
I say we draft him, whats the harm?
Still, I LOVE the way the Browns play this year-
as far as attitude, going for it- being a TEAM, having no fear..
they are just not that many players away.
They kick ass often, move the ball, and come ready to play
The defense is starting to shove the run up the middle in the offenses' face.
That's about it, I think I've made my case.
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Hahahahahahahahaha
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Your formatting made me read you post as a poem
Here ya go...
pretty obvious that most of us want to see those things...
but throwing off on Danny Shelton stings -
the kid very obviously means business, lost that weight -
you worry too much, Chris. Don't hate.
The Browns need to draft/sign a safety and fix the secondary.
Without Joe Haden in there, they are worse than ordinary.
Kindred can play - he will be even better next year.
S or CB in the first round. Hope he wants to play here.
I do believe thte Browns will draft a qb.
I would hope, though it's very..very early, but we'll see.
Hope it would be Trubisky we anoint . Not sold on Kizer at this point.
Not seeing the field is a problem with RGIII.
I admire McCown - Kessler makes the quickest, smartest decisions of the three.
Right now, I think Trubisky is like Kessler with a bigger arm.
I say we draft him, whats the harm?
Still, I LOVE the way the Browns play this year-
as far as attitude, going for it- being a TEAM, having no fear..
they are just not that many players away.
They kick ass often, move the ball, and come ready to play
The defense is starting to shove the run up the middle in the offenses' face.
That's about it, I think I've made my case.
Here ya go...
LOL! Well done.
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A little bird sent me the following article...
Cleveland Browns: Austin Pasztor excelling at pass protection
by Joel W. Cade 1 day ago
Cleveland Browns right tackle Austin Pasztor has struggled mightily at right tackle this season. Find out how he has turned it around.
Cleveland Browns offensive line coach Hal Hunter deserves a raise. His work with the offensive line has been nothing short of amazing.
Just four weeks ago, the line was giving up massive hits on quarterbacks, turning the position into a living hell on earth. However, one month later the offensive line who should have struggled against a very good New York Jets front seven went out and protected Josh McCown well. Their play gave the Browns an opportunity to win the game. Unfortunately, failure to execute from the quarterback and wide receiver positions ultimately held the offense back.
Helping the offensive line was a change in the way offensive line calls were made. Josh McCown called out the mike in pass protection coverage and he made relevant line blocking calls. When a call was made at the line of scrimmage, it was usually John Greco making the calls. He called out the changes in protections and run blocking schemes.
This sounds contradictory so let me explain. McCown made the initial call based on what the defense lined up at initially. McCown then made a dummy cadence call to get the defense to show their hand. If changes were necessary after that point, they were made by John Greco. McCown made changes with the receivers and backs. This system worked very well for the Browns on Sunday.
The most improved player over the past four weeks is far and away Austin Pasztor. I have been very critical of Pasztor in my articles. It is nice to see his play not only improve but actually be outstanding for his position.
Run blocking has always been his strength. He is a pure road grater who has opened many holes in the running game. However, pass protection has been a serious struggle for him. Over the past few weeks, Pasztor has consistently improved in pass protection. Dare I say it, but Pasztor right now is a better overall tackle than Mitchell Schwartz (whose game is limited to pass protection).
Pasztor gets off the ball
Pasztorโs sets in pass protection are much improved. Early in the season, Pasztor struggled to get out of his stance, create space and set to take on the defender quickly enough.
Pasztor was consistently late out of his stance. This created problems for him on the rest of the block. It would make sense for him to get out of his stance late because of his switch from guard to tackle. At guard, it is easier to hear the cadence and see the ball.
Tackle is like playing on an island in pass protection. There is a greater need to time the snap at tackle as opposed to guard. As a guard, one can compensate for being late off the ball because there is less ground to cover and help from the center. At tackle, especially facing a speed rusher, there is more ground to cover and less time to cover it.
In order to cover the ground quickly, the tackle must anticipate the snap count must like a defensive end. The offense knows the snap count, but if he can get off a little earlier without false starting, then a major advantage is created. This is why tackles will more often false start than guards in pass protection.
Pasztor has figured out the skill of anticipating the snap. It has allowed him to create space more effectively and to get set before the initial contact with the defender. A good start leads to a good block. Pasztor is figuring that out.
Pasztor beating the Wide-9 Rush
Pasztor has figured out how to set the Wide-9 technique. Pasztor struggled early in the season against speed rushers converting speed to power. He still struggles to an extent but he is figuring out how to cut off the inside line from rushers.
In previous games, Pasztor would be late off the ball and unprepared at the point of contact. As such, he was at the mercy of the defender. That is, his failure to set allowed the defender to make any move he wanted and take any path to the quarterback he wanted.
Now Pasztor is setting on time. In addition, he is using his body to dictate terms to the defender. In previous weeks, Pasztor would open his hips to face the defender giving the defender two options. He gave up major hits on Griffin, McCown and Kessler when beat on the inside move. Now Pasztor is keeping his shoulders and hips square to the line of scrimmage closing off that inside lane. By doing so, he dictates to the defender the lane he can rush.
By dictating terms to the defender, Pasztor is taking control of the pass protection and making his job much easier. For example, by setting setting square and closing off the inside lane, Pasztor is forcing defenders to take the longer outside lane. This plays into his hands as he can run a speed rusher past the quarterback or stand up the power rusher creating a nice pocket for the quarterback.
The improvement of Austin Pasztor is real and should be taken seriously. Hal Hunter deserves a raise for his work with Pasztor. I once asked, can Austin Pasztor be fixed? The answer is clearly yes because he has been fixed. This is great news for Browns quarterbacks.
http://dawgpounddaily.com/2016/11/02/cleveland-browns-austin-pasztor-excelling-at-pass-protection/3/
A little bird sent me the following article...
Cleveland Browns: Austin Pasztor excelling at pass protection
by Joel W. Cade 1 day ago
Cleveland Browns right tackle Austin Pasztor has struggled mightily at right tackle this season. Find out how he has turned it around.
Cleveland Browns offensive line coach Hal Hunter deserves a raise. His work with the offensive line has been nothing short of amazing.
Just four weeks ago, the line was giving up massive hits on quarterbacks, turning the position into a living hell on earth. However, one month later the offensive line who should have struggled against a very good New York Jets front seven went out and protected Josh McCown well. Their play gave the Browns an opportunity to win the game. Unfortunately, failure to execute from the quarterback and wide receiver positions ultimately held the offense back.
Helping the offensive line was a change in the way offensive line calls were made. Josh McCown called out the mike in pass protection coverage and he made relevant line blocking calls. When a call was made at the line of scrimmage, it was usually John Greco making the calls. He called out the changes in protections and run blocking schemes.
This sounds contradictory so let me explain. McCown made the initial call based on what the defense lined up at initially. McCown then made a dummy cadence call to get the defense to show their hand. If changes were necessary after that point, they were made by John Greco. McCown made changes with the receivers and backs. This system worked very well for the Browns on Sunday.
The most improved player over the past four weeks is far and away Austin Pasztor. I have been very critical of Pasztor in my articles. It is nice to see his play not only improve but actually be outstanding for his position.
Run blocking has always been his strength. He is a pure road grater who has opened many holes in the running game. However, pass protection has been a serious struggle for him. Over the past few weeks, Pasztor has consistently improved in pass protection. Dare I say it, but Pasztor right now is a better overall tackle than Mitchell Schwartz (whose game is limited to pass protection).
Pasztor gets off the ball
Pasztorโs sets in pass protection are much improved. Early in the season, Pasztor struggled to get out of his stance, create space and set to take on the defender quickly enough.
Pasztor was consistently late out of his stance. This created problems for him on the rest of the block. It would make sense for him to get out of his stance late because of his switch from guard to tackle. At guard, it is easier to hear the cadence and see the ball.
Tackle is like playing on an island in pass protection. There is a greater need to time the snap at tackle as opposed to guard. As a guard, one can compensate for being late off the ball because there is less ground to cover and help from the center. At tackle, especially facing a speed rusher, there is more ground to cover and less time to cover it.
In order to cover the ground quickly, the tackle must anticipate the snap count must like a defensive end. The offense knows the snap count, but if he can get off a little earlier without false starting, then a major advantage is created. This is why tackles will more often false start than guards in pass protection.
Pasztor has figured out the skill of anticipating the snap. It has allowed him to create space more effectively and to get set before the initial contact with the defender. A good start leads to a good block. Pasztor is figuring that out.
Pasztor beating the Wide-9 Rush
Pasztor has figured out how to set the Wide-9 technique. Pasztor struggled early in the season against speed rushers converting speed to power. He still struggles to an extent but he is figuring out how to cut off the inside line from rushers.
In previous games, Pasztor would be late off the ball and unprepared at the point of contact. As such, he was at the mercy of the defender. That is, his failure to set allowed the defender to make any move he wanted and take any path to the quarterback he wanted.
Now Pasztor is setting on time. In addition, he is using his body to dictate terms to the defender. In previous weeks, Pasztor would open his hips to face the defender giving the defender two options. He gave up major hits on Griffin, McCown and Kessler when beat on the inside move. Now Pasztor is keeping his shoulders and hips square to the line of scrimmage closing off that inside lane. By doing so, he dictates to the defender the lane he can rush.
By dictating terms to the defender, Pasztor is taking control of the pass protection and making his job much easier. For example, by setting setting square and closing off the inside lane, Pasztor is forcing defenders to take the longer outside lane. This plays into his hands as he can run a speed rusher past the quarterback or stand up the power rusher creating a nice pocket for the quarterback.
The improvement of Austin Pasztor is real and should be taken seriously. Hal Hunter deserves a raise for his work with Pasztor. I once asked, can Austin Pasztor be fixed? The answer is clearly yes because he has been fixed. This is great news for Browns quarterbacks.
http://dawgpounddaily.com/2016/11/02/cleveland-browns-austin-pasztor-excelling-at-pass-protection/3/
LOL Tour- according to the departed Ghoolie, they're all a bunch of dime a dozen unskilled fatasses. This technical stuff is a mile over his head. BTW, talked to Z at the Cavs game tonight- he's never coming back, so rest easy.
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Before the season started I ranted on about how this team needs to be able to stop the run. Danny Divito could get 100+ yards on us.
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Then the Ravens and the pats need to sign Danny Devito ASAP....
What's your definition of "stop"?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Then the Ravens and the pats need to sign Danny Devito ASAP....
What's your definition of "stop"?
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Before the season started I ranted on about how this team needs to be able to stop the run. Danny Divito could get 100+ yards on us.
Before the season started I ranted on about how this team needs to be able to stop the run. Danny Divito could get 100+ yards on us.
Dude....stop the run schmop the run....everyone knows when you have the worst run defense....or plain old worst defense(period)....in the entire league....the smart plan is to wait on drafting top level DL and LB's and, instead, rebuild the WR corps first....cause WR's are the PRIMARY element to rebuilding a team from scratch....draft em and build around em...
and, since those WR's will improve your D immediately, the next step is to cut all your defensive starters and play their back ups......
works every time.....
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Cleveland Brown's chances of going 0-16 is 3%...at least according to the brainiac that came up with this. . .
Devito your going to Baldiehoar 
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