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Where was the pass rush?

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  • D domcucch1994

    It seemed like on every 3rd down the cowboys converted, our defense's pass rush was fucking non-existent!

    Horton.. BLITZ YOU DUMBFUCK!

    God I am sick of this defense getting assfucked each week.

    Horton needs to go, we need a pass rush and a secondary, and will someone replace Cam Erving already?

    FFS we are nine games into a season and we can't do basic football shit like blitz the QB, cover the TE? Ridiculous!

    These fucks better get it right or I see another regime change in the crosshairs..

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    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    @domcucch1994 said:

    FFS we are nine games into a season and we can't do basic football shit like blitz the QB, cover the TE?

    You realize that these two requests are somewhat contradictory...

    @gftchris said:

    Pretty sure our DBs are happy playing cover zero against Dez and co. Can't see any issues with that at all.

    Dez was pretty well a non-factor... one catch I believe.

    Whitten was the killer... issues with our new, "I'll play zone while the rest play man" toy were obvious in one case. I would not be surprised if there were more.

    The redzone, "banjo" miscommunication between our two most experienced CBs was unconscionable...

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      C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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      our pass rush got swallowed up by one of the best O lines in football. Not much our rookies were gonna do. You guys see the size of Dallas's left tackle? holy fucking shit.

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        our pass rush got swallowed up by one of the best O lines in football. Not much our rookies were gonna do. You guys see the size of Dallas's left tackle? holy fucking shit.

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        D domcucch1994 wrote on last edited by
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        @clevfan4life said:

        our pass rush got swallowed up by one of the best O lines in football. Not much our rookies were gonna do. You guys see the size of Dallas's left tackle? holy fucking shit.

        We didn't have a pass rush! We hardly brought more than 4 or 5 guys against them!!! It was putrid to watch!

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          @tiamat63 said:

          Blitzing solves everything. Even cures cancer.

          It also forces the QB to make quick decisions but no let's just play zone and only rush 4 against their 5, that'll scare them!

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          tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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          @domcucch1994 said:

          It also forces the QB to make quick decisions but no let's just play zone and only rush 4 against their 5, that'll scare them!

          It only forces the QB to do anything if the extra rush applies pressure or moves him off the spot.

          Other teams have blitzed Dallas this year with little success. It's the best Oline in football and you tossing in probably the best blocking back in football as well, you're 5 man rush will be every bit as effective as a 4 man.

          Unless you plan on playing alot of zero all day behind those blitzes. In which case, with our DB's, you'll see some some shit you don't want to.

          You're the kind of guy that will bitch about the lack of blitzing, then complain when DB's give up catches because they're on an island all the time.

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            A Alkid3 wrote on last edited by
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            They have the best line in the league. We were just out matched.

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            • C Clevfan4life

              our pass rush got swallowed up by one of the best O lines in football. Not much our rookies were gonna do. You guys see the size of Dallas's left tackle? holy fucking shit.

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              W wargograw wrote on last edited by
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              @clevfan4life said:

              our pass rush got swallowed up by one of the best O lines in football. Not much our rookies were gonna do. You guys see the size of Dallas's left tackle? holy fucking shit.

              He's a beautiful man.

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                OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
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                Where was the pass rush?

                We don't have one.

                And I don't know that we have blitzable talent.

                Years ago ballpeen made a statement that I really liked. He said, "Us blitzing is like running one or two of our players off the field."

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                  C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                  doesn't do any good to blitz when too much of the secondary can't cover, especially

                  with Collins being new. Irving going out hurt a lot - was listening to Kosar today on the radio -

                  he said the Browns' offense took off rolling, but what happens, is the limitations they still have personnel wise,

                  and they don't have much leeway to switch gears and adjust on the fly to what the defense is doing to stop them.

                  The defense - played proud, too, but that was a blue chippie oline - tough to beat. Irving getting kicked out the game

                  hurt. The secondary needs fixed, especially at safety, I think.

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                    W wargograw wrote on last edited by
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                    Erving being out killed our defense too?

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                      thenew23T thenew23 wrote on last edited by
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                      When Ogbah, Nassib, and Cooper grow into NFL bodies they will be a force. Shelton and Meder are having decent seasons and Collins and Kirksey are already solid talents. Where we need to invest is our secondary so we can actually cover when we have 3 cbs on the field.

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                        Erving being out killed our defense too?

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                        OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
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                        @wargograw said:

                        Erving being out killed our defense too?

                        ...the freakin' guy is contagious.

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                          doesn't do any good to blitz when too much of the secondary can't cover, especially

                          with Collins being new. Irving going out hurt a lot - was listening to Kosar today on the radio -

                          he said the Browns' offense took off rolling, but what happens, is the limitations they still have personnel wise,

                          and they don't have much leeway to switch gears and adjust on the fly to what the defense is doing to stop them.

                          The defense - played proud, too, but that was a blue chippie oline - tough to beat. Irving getting kicked out the game

                          hurt. The secondary needs fixed, especially at safety, I think.

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                          Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                          @calfoxwc said:

                          doesn't do any good to blitz when too much of the secondary can't cover...

                          Irving getting kicked out the game hurt.

                          Pressure is one of the best ways to help a 2ndary... but only if your blitz gets home... or close to home. Kirksey looped inside and almost got there.

                          I thought Irving's being half of a double-ejection was part of a new game plan.

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                            jiggins7919J jiggins7919 wrote on last edited by
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                            I know what you're saying, but even when we DID blitz, we NEVER got there. Our defenders just got ABSORBED into the line, and one time in particular, two of our guys RAN INTO EACH OTHER which gave Prescott the running room he needed to pick up like 15 yards on the ground. Our two idiots literally tripped over each other and fell down. On 3rd down. Naturally.

                            We have no way to generate consistent pressure. Hell, we can't even generate INCONSISTENT pressure. We don't tackle, cover, and we get less penetration than an Asian porn star. It's pathetic.

                            We invested heavily into pass rushers with this draft, and the results have been "Meh" so far. Ogbah sure gets to play a lot, but he got his entire ass handed to him on a platter Sunday. Nassib? Yeah, didn't see too much outta him either. Schobert? Gimme a break.

                            I have NO IDEA what we're going to do on defense, and I don't know if anything is Horton's fault, or if it's just because we have no talent. I hate our defense...I hate it. We have the worst 3rd down percentage in the league, and it's getting WORSE. Nobody can make a play. No strip sacks, no hard hits, no interceptions, no turnovers...nothing. It looks like we have nothing.

                            And that's what is so frustrating. Our offense isn't great or anything, but I would guess that we're kind of mid-pack in the NFL, right? Well shit, if our defense was ANYWHERE NEAR that, how many games would we have won?

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                              Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                              Part of that is scheme... I've bitched before about other schemes' ability to create blitz lanes where ours, through more than one regime, seem unable to do so.

                              The Kirksey blitz I mentioned a couple posts up was a beautiful lane... so it can happen for us.

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                                OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
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                                Erving's ejection: There oughta' be a law, if you're ejected from a game then you have to forfeit the prorated portion of your game check for the remaining portion of the game that you were banned from playing. It should go straight back to the owner.

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                                  First of all that ejection was ridiculous. Minor fight. Give me a break, refs.

                                  Second, I had the same thought as Tour. The net result was a positive for us most likely.

                                  Third, that's a horrible idea Orion. Someone ejected for defending his fellow player or even a coach shouldn't get paid? That'd be BS.

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                                    First of all that ejection was ridiculous. Minor fight. Give me a break, refs.

                                    Second, I had the same thought as Tour. The net result was a positive for us most likely.

                                    Third, that's a horrible idea Orion. Someone ejected for defending his fellow player or even a coach shouldn't get paid? That'd be BS.

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                                    @wargograw said:

                                    that's a horrible idea Orion.

                                    🙂 ...not just bad...but horrible.

                                    You're right. There would need to be a minimum fine value....in case you get yourself tossed with a minute left to play. 🙂

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                                      C CaineDeSoulis wrote on last edited by
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                                      Erving threw an opposing players helmet at the opposing player and struck the ref in the ankle. He should be suspended no less than 6 games with the possibility of a lifetime ban along with a large fine.

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                                        Erving threw an opposing players helmet at the opposing player and struck the ref in the ankle. He should be suspended no less than 6 games with the possibility of a lifetime ban along with a large fine.

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                                        @cainedesoulis said:

                                        Erving threw an opposing players helmet at the opposing player and struck the ref in the ankle. He should be suspended no less than 6 games with the possibility of a lifetime ban along with a large fine.

                                        Wow.

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