Draft Talk
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Please, dak is playing behind the best o line in football. They have a left tackle that made ogbah look like a kid next to. Dak would be on IR here, how do so few of u really understand that? Even the great tom brady might have gotten only one win so far. Cause he wouldnt have played all 10 games either.
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Ugh. I will be infuriated if Fedora goes to LSU. He's from college Station. He needs to be called home.
Btw, Ag69, you off the train yet?
Bear Bryant once said, ""I left Texas A&M because my school called me. Mama called,
and when Mama calls, then you just have to come running."
If I heard Fedora say that, I would not be heartbroken.
But the loss to Ole Miss should not have surprised anyone if you were aware they were going to take the redshirt off the #1 HS QB in the land from 2015. A no brainer. I as surprised we were still leading until the end. With a forth string QB and a one legged man still gutting out the season, it's like playing with one hand tied behind your back. Not a good reason to fire.
Bear Bryant once said, ""I left Texas A&M because my school called me. Mama called,
and when Mama calls, then you just have to come running."
If I heard Fedora say that, I would not be heartbroken.
But the loss to Ole Miss should not have surprised anyone if you were aware they were going to take the redshirt off the #1 HS QB in the land from 2015. A no brainer. I as surprised we were still leading until the end. With a forth string QB and a one legged man still gutting out the season, it's like playing with one hand tied behind your back. Not a good reason to fire.
That quote was in mind when I wrote that.
Come on man. Chad Kelly is the best QB in the SEC. They were still 4-5 with him. We had two 5 star QBs last year and neither made us all-world overnight. Furthermore, Patterson couldn't hit the broad side of a barn in the first half. The game should have been over at halftime.
Everyone has injuries at this point. That's, frankly, a pathetic excuse. And what depth chart do you see Hubenak as the 4th string QB on? He is the 2. Don't exaggerate. We were both on our second QB, and we were supposedly a top 10 team. But as has become the norm under Sumlin, we were a fraud. And it will only go downhill from here because the recruiting is some of the worst in the west.
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Allen is a machine. USC's OL was vaunted as the best in the country last week. Herbstreit singled out a play (one of many) where the front 4 collapsed the pocket in under 2 seconds with bull rushes across the board, with Allen leading the way. It's a work of art.
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Right now allen is my choice for pass rusher if thats what we go for with the top pick. Then maybe we can finally say good bye to the 3-4 except as sub package
Right now allen is my choice for pass rusher if thats what we go for with the top pick. Then maybe we can finally say good bye to the 3-4 except as sub package
You like 295ers in the 4-3? The only move Allen has that would work on the edge is the bull rush. And that is unlikely to work in the NFL in 1.5 seconds like it does for him now. If you made him your DE in a 4-3, we'd be sitting here in a year continuing to lament the fact that all our DEs and LBs are "specialty guys." If you're going with J. Allen, stick him at DE, and figure out once and for all whether Ogbah is an OLB or DE. Stop switching him.
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I don't think he is. Maybe a bit better leader, maybe a bit more of a gamer. But overall, no, not really.
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Allen is your 3/4 tech and can play some 5 in certain looks.
Calling him a DE in a similar mold of Garrett would be schematically and athletically incorrect.
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If you want an edge rusher not named Garrett, then you go with Bama's Tim Williams before you went with Allen. Or Maybe Lawson from Auburn.
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Allen is your 3/4 tech and can play some 5 in certain looks.
Calling him a DE in a similar mold of Garrett would be schematically and athletically incorrect.
Allen is your 3/4 tech and can play some 5 in certain looks.
Calling him a DE in a similar mold of Garrett would be schematically and athletically incorrect.
Tape I just watched of allen he looks damn good coming in from the 9. Yeah the 5 would seem like a decent fit too but the 3? He'd have to get up over 300 for that. I like the idea of an athletic 285-290 lb DE
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Right now allen is my choice for pass rusher if thats what we go for with the top pick. Then maybe we can finally say good bye to the 3-4 except as sub package
You like 295ers in the 4-3? The only move Allen has that would work on the edge is the bull rush. And that is unlikely to work in the NFL in 1.5 seconds like it does for him now. If you made him your DE in a 4-3, we'd be sitting here in a year continuing to lament the fact that all our DEs and LBs are "specialty guys." If you're going with J. Allen, stick him at DE, and figure out once and for all whether Ogbah is an OLB or DE. Stop switching him.
You like 295ers in the 4-3? The only move Allen has that would work on the edge is the bull rush. And that is unlikely to work in the NFL in 1.5 seconds like it does for him now. If you made him your DE in a 4-3, we'd be sitting here in a year continuing to lament the fact that all our DEs and LBs are "specialty guys." If you're going with J. Allen, stick him at DE, and figure out once and for all whether Ogbah is an OLB or DE. Stop switching him.
I can see Allen inside a 4-3 paired with Danny shading the Center's shoulder... kind of a thunder and lightening interior. He could be Aaron Donald-ish inside. But agree that 3-4 DE is his best position.
Without seeing less behind that o line and having zeke behind him I couldn't be 100%. Yes eye test certainly looks better but again, after a couple free shots from primary front line rushers does dak look the same?
Same? No, but he has escapability that Kess doesn't have.... and he could add a true, read-option edge threat that Hogan only pulled off in one, surprise appearance. I thought Dak could be another Russell Wilson and that's what I see.
And Dak is built to take those free shots better than any Browns QB since... Otto? Or at least since Quinn the muscle-puppy...
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Allen is your 3/4 tech and can play some 5 in certain looks.
Calling him a DE in a similar mold of Garrett would be schematically and athletically incorrect.
Tape I just watched of allen he looks damn good coming in from the 9. Yeah the 5 would seem like a decent fit too but the 3? He'd have to get up over 300 for that. I like the idea of an athletic 285-290 lb DE
decent fit too but the 3? He'd have to get up over 300 for that. I like the idea of an athletic 285-290 lb DE
I guess you've never watched Aaron Donald.
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Aaron Donald btw. Now THAT is a baller.
Man...if only.
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Aaron Donald btw. Now THAT is a baller.
Man...if only.
Aaron Donald btw. Now THAT is a baller.
Man...if only.
Gilbert instead
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Ok, he is no Aaron Donald.
Right. But the first step quickness and violent hands are very similar. It's extremely hard to account for interior pressure on a QB.
Go look at some of the best Dlines in the NFL and you'll find interior players with high pressure counts.
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Similar is the operative word...
There has always been a place in the NFL for the slightly undersized, quick, strong DT... especially lined up next to an anchorsaurus.
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Aaron Donald btw. Now THAT is a baller.
Man...if only.
Gilbert instead
Gilbert instead
Lord...I think I just threw up. That pick above all else still haunts us today. Yes, the Manziel pick devastated us severely, and continues to do so, but that Gilbert pick just cut us to the bone. How bad do we need a solid CB right now? And at #8, you're hoping for MORE than just "solid". It was considered a "good pick" at the time, and many other teams coveted Gilbert. It wasn't a reach...it was just a bad pick.
How do you guys feel about us trading the pick? I'm kind of at the point where I don't CARE what the trade offer is, I want to pick where we're at, and not move anywhere. I just feel like the trading down hasn't netted us the results we're looking for, and maybe we need the highest possible caliber player available. There is no "unanimous" number one QB prospect, but that could very easily change as the draft approaches. Remember when Bridgewater was the #1 pick all year, and then had a subpar pro day and all of the sudden he wasn't what people wanted? Was Carson Wentz on the radar last year in November? Possibly, but I doubt it. My guess is that Mitch Trubisky will skyrocket up the board, and will cement the status as the #1 pick...or at least the #1 QB. He's got the appropriate size, solid mobility, and other intangibles. Perhaps teams will become enamored with the physical prowess of Kizer, or the flair of Watson, but my vote is Mitch.
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Trubisky is Mcshays and Kipers #1 qb currently
Watson's value has pretty much been killed by RG3 to be fair RG3 has set back most "Athletic" QB's for years after his draft.
I think we should take Mitch Aslong as he continues to show himself as a the top QB Available. But we wont do that. We'll trade down a little bit take a highly rated DE and then Watson and then hopefully a linemen -
Trubisky is Mcshays and Kipers #1 qb currently
Watson's value has pretty much been killed by RG3 to be fair RG3 has set back most "Athletic" QB's for years after his draft.
I think we should take Mitch Aslong as he continues to show himself as a the top QB Available. But we wont do that. We'll trade down a little bit take a highly rated DE and then Watson and then hopefully a linemenWatson's value has pretty much been killed by RG3 to be fair RG3 has set back most "Athletic" QB's for years after his draft.
Not true in the least.
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Similar is the operative word...
There has always been a place in the NFL for the slightly undersized, quick, strong DT... especially lined up next to an anchorsaurus.
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