***Official Browns Vs. Steelers Game Day Thread***
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I cannot justify a high first round pick on a qb until we get our o line settled. That might be a few years fyi. We simply cant draft a qb high and not protect him. Just go with rg,cody and hogan rotation until our o line shows that it can at least temper the kill shots. Every qb gets hit but our guys take insane beatings and the league is noticing. The nfl will not allow the next andrew luck to come to clev as long as this shit is going down
Yeah, it's really lucky that Tom Brady and Peyton Manning had five first rounders in front of them their entire careers...
Exactly.Yeah, it's really lucky that Tom Brady and Peyton Manning had five first rounders in front of them their entire careers...
We need a QB that can go up to the line, see over it, see what the defense is doing, and then throw the ball to the correct guy.
You watch the good QBs, they don't hold the ball very long and they are not affraid to throw guys open.
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Exactly.Yeah, it's really lucky that Tom Brady and Peyton Manning had five first rounders in front of them their entire careers...
We need a QB that can go up to the line, see over it, see what the defense is doing, and then throw the ball to the correct guy.
You watch the good QBs, they don't hold the ball very long and they are not affraid to throw guys open.
Exactly.
We need a QB that can go up to the line, see over it, see what the defense is doing, and then throw the ball to the correct guy.
You watch the good QBs, they don't hold the ball very long and they are not affraid to throw guys open.
Which to you is easier - finding a franchise QB on the fringe of HOF worthy?
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Assembling a good Oline with a competent QB to run an efficient offense?
Because just saying "find a QB" actually requires that player being not only available to us, but existing in this draft. Which I just don't see.
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Exactly.
We need a QB that can go up to the line, see over it, see what the defense is doing, and then throw the ball to the correct guy.
You watch the good QBs, they don't hold the ball very long and they are not affraid to throw guys open.
Which to you is easier - finding a franchise QB on the fringe of HOF worthy?
OR
Assembling a good Oline with a competent QB to run an efficient offense?
Because just saying "find a QB" actually requires that player being not only available to us, but existing in this draft. Which I just don't see.
I think getting the line SHOULD be easier, but we also don't have a competent QB either.Which to you is easier - finding a franchise QB on the fringe of HOF worthy?
OR
Assembling a good Oline with a competent QB to run an efficient offense?
Because just saying "find a QB" actually requires that player being not only available to us, but existing in this draft. Which I just don't see.
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Let's see, where was I correct about the stinking squealers and stuff:
I dunno Cal. Perusing the posts in this thread, I see no one else complaining about "cheap shots" and "bad or non calls".
This loss was the result of the lack of talent and poor coaching and nothing else...as it was with every browns loss.
This season is a replay of seasons past, except worse...how many times under Pettine, Chud, Mangini, etc have we seen this team be competitive in the first half, then lay an egg in the second half? That story is old. "No adjustments", "the other team adjusted" blah blah.
How many times have we seen this team under past regimes look like a legit NFL team the first half of the season, then look like shit the rest of the way? The browns were no doubt better the first half of this season. Now they really blow.
Tell Hue they're supposed to be getting better as the season progresses.
Every freakin year fans complain about the same shit. Aint any different under Hue.
I dunno Cal. Perusing the posts in this thread, I see no one else complaining about "cheap shots" and "bad or non calls".
This loss was the result of the lack of talent and poor coaching and nothing else...as it was with every browns loss.
This season is a replay of seasons past, except worse...how many times under Pettine, Chud, Mangini, etc have we seen this team be competitive in the first half, then lay an egg in the second half? That story is old. "No adjustments", "the other team adjusted" blah blah.
How many times have we seen this team under past regimes look like a legit NFL team the first half of the season, then look like shit the rest of the way? The browns were no doubt better the first half of this season. Now they really blow.
Tell Hue they're supposed to be getting better as the season progresses.
Every freakin year fans complain about the same shit. Aint any different under Hue.
Well, nobody else has to, I choose to. Hitting a defenseless receiver is a flag. Excepet there was no flag on the
giant hit on Pryor. I could be wrong, but I think that's corrupt bs. Or, they got rid of that rule. Or, the worthless commish
chooses when to apply it, and to what team.
The roughing both Browns qb's were flagged. But putting the starting qb out of the game is a steeler play in their
defensive playbook... it goes all the way back before they took out Anderson's knee, in the Bengal playoff game.
It works, they get away with it. Players need to be ejected for these illegal violent hits.
But nobody is going to say it had anything to do with the Browns losing. But it doesn't help respecting the
NFL game, or the referrees when sometimes they call stuff, and sometimes they don't.
The Browns recently got called twice for lining up offsides. Okay. they were. Go back and look - one
of the steelers was lined up so far offsides, his head was on the other side of the football.
No...call. the refs are "incompetent" or "corrupt". Take your pick. Something is wrong - it is happening far, far too often,
and so many times, it seems to be NFL team specific. I've seen Browns wr's get hammered, held, even in the
steeler game, that long throw to Coleman, the squealer defender had both hands on Coleman's chest, pushed him
slightly away back toward the los direction, and intercepted the ball. No call. WTF?
it isn't the reason the Browns lost. It's the reason the NFL is starting to stink with regard to extremely
incompetent/corrupt playcalling. I'll call it "innocently inconsistent" if it wasn't so prevelent. It's stinking up
the game, I see it watching other NFL games once in a while. the playoff/superbowl caliber teams tend to
get away with a lot.
Must be good for the giant markets? This commish has a lot to answer for one of these days, some of his
"refs" too.
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I dunno Cal. Perusing the posts in this thread, I see no one else complaining about "cheap shots" and "bad or non calls".
This loss was the result of the lack of talent and poor coaching and nothing else...as it was with every browns loss.
This season is a replay of seasons past, except worse...how many times under Pettine, Chud, Mangini, etc have we seen this team be competitive in the first half, then lay an egg in the second half? That story is old. "No adjustments", "the other team adjusted" blah blah.
How many times have we seen this team under past regimes look like a legit NFL team the first half of the season, then look like shit the rest of the way? The browns were no doubt better the first half of this season. Now they really blow.
Tell Hue they're supposed to be getting better as the season progresses.
Every freakin year fans complain about the same shit. Aint any different under Hue.
Well, nobody else has to, I choose to. Hitting a defenseless receiver is a flag. Excepet there was no flag on the
giant hit on Pryor. I could be wrong, but I think that's corrupt bs. Or, they got rid of that rule. Or, the worthless commish
chooses when to apply it, and to what team.
The roughing both Browns qb's were flagged. But putting the starting qb out of the game is a steeler play in their
defensive playbook... it goes all the way back before they took out Anderson's knee, in the Bengal playoff game.
It works, they get away with it. Players need to be ejected for these illegal violent hits.
But nobody is going to say it had anything to do with the Browns losing. But it doesn't help respecting the
NFL game, or the referrees when sometimes they call stuff, and sometimes they don't.
The Browns recently got called twice for lining up offsides. Okay. they were. Go back and look - one
of the steelers was lined up so far offsides, his head was on the other side of the football.
No...call. the refs are "incompetent" or "corrupt". Take your pick. Something is wrong - it is happening far, far too often,
and so many times, it seems to be NFL team specific. I've seen Browns wr's get hammered, held, even in the
steeler game, that long throw to Coleman, the squealer defender had both hands on Coleman's chest, pushed him
slightly away back toward the los direction, and intercepted the ball. No call. WTF?
it isn't the reason the Browns lost. It's the reason the NFL is starting to stink with regard to extremely
incompetent/corrupt playcalling. I'll call it "innocently inconsistent" if it wasn't so prevelent. It's stinking up
the game, I see it watching other NFL games once in a while. the playoff/superbowl caliber teams tend to
get away with a lot.
Must be good for the giant markets? This commish has a lot to answer for one of these days, some of his
"refs" too.
I thought I saw that a couple of times myself.The Browns recently got called twice for lining up offsides. Okay. they were. Go back and look - one
of the steelers was lined up so far offsides, his head was on the other side of the football.
The second time I saw it was in the 4th qtr, it was so obvious that Stevie Wonder could see it...but it was never called.
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Browns beat reporter Daryl Ruiter tweeted. . .
Joe Thomas: #Browns brass has to "lay in the bed they made" re: O-line in offseason, not his call & leaves those decisions to "the experts"
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At least some of us still have a sense of humor about it. . .
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Exactly.
We need a QB that can go up to the line, see over it, see what the defense is doing, and then throw the ball to the correct guy.
You watch the good QBs, they don't hold the ball very long and they are not affraid to throw guys open.
Which to you is easier - finding a franchise QB on the fringe of HOF worthy?
OR
Assembling a good Oline with a competent QB to run an efficient offense?
Because just saying "find a QB" actually requires that player being not only available to us, but existing in this draft. Which I just don't see.
Which to you is easier - finding a franchise QB on the fringe of HOF worthy?
OR
Assembling a good Oline with a competent QB to run an efficient offense?
Because just saying "find a QB" actually requires that player being not only available to us, but existing in this draft. Which I just don't see.
Which has happened more often? A bad team taking the top QB and finding success for 7+ years, or a bad team taking five first round linemen and plugging a journeyman behind him and experiencing success for 7+ years?
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Which to you is easier - finding a franchise QB on the fringe of HOF worthy?
OR
Assembling a good Oline with a competent QB to run an efficient offense?
Because just saying "find a QB" actually requires that player being not only available to us, but existing in this draft. Which I just don't see.
Which has happened more often? A bad team taking the top QB and finding success for 7+ years, or a bad team taking five first round linemen and plugging a journeyman behind him and experiencing success for 7+ years?
Which has happened more often? A bad team taking the top QB and finding success for 7+ years, or a bad team taking five first round linemen and plugging a journeyman behind him and experiencing success for 7+ years?
I wasn't aware anyone was advocating for drafting 5 lineman...?
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Kessler has definitely earned another year
Another year on the roster? Sure.
Another year of holding the ball for 9 seconds and then moving out of the pocket with the speed and agility of my Mom? No. He needs to improve vastly.
First order of business on Monday morning: Take Cam Erving out back and shoot him. At this point, even his family would understand.
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Some teams do ok with a QB and an average o line other teams do ok with a QB that looks good because he has a great o line.
There's more than one way to skin a cat and the people in the FO need to find our own way. Too many are fixated on doing things one way because the Pats do it that way or another because the Seahawks do it t that way.
Copycat won't work we are staring from scratch and need to find our own way and they'll be sacked if they don't, but we sure as hell cant do fuck all about it.
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Kessler has definitely earned another year
Another year on the roster? Sure.
Another year of holding the ball for 9 seconds and then moving out of the pocket with the speed and agility of my Mom? No. He needs to improve vastly.
First order of business on Monday morning: Take Cam Erving out back and shoot him. At this point, even his family would understand.
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Zombo said:
First order of business on Monday morning: Take Cam Erving out back and shoot him. At this point, even his family would understand.
Z
Just spat out my beer reading that and it's my last beer. Send the $1 via post.
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Kessler has definitely earned another year
Another year on the roster? Sure.
Another year of holding the ball for 9 seconds and then moving out of the pocket with the speed and agility of my Mom? No. He needs to improve vastly.
First order of business on Monday morning: Take Cam Erving out back and shoot him. At this point, even his family would understand.
Z
Zombo said:
Another year on the roster? Sure.
Another year of holding the ball for 9 seconds and then moving out of the pocket with the speed and agility of my Mom? No. He needs to improve vastly.
First order of business on Monday morning: Take Cam Erving out back and shoot him. At this point, even his family would understand.
Z
My Vote for Administrator of the Year..but Zoey struts to podium to collect the HARDwear
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Zombo said:
Another year on the roster? Sure.
Another year of holding the ball for 9 seconds and then moving out of the pocket with the speed and agility of my Mom? No. He needs to improve vastly.
First order of business on Monday morning: Take Cam Erving out back and shoot him. At this point, even his family would understand.
Z
My Vote for Administrator of the Year..but Zoey struts to podium to collect the HARDwear
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WoW!
I was so disappointed over the loss of RG-3 that I did not watch CLE at all this season.
This Kody Kessler kid looks great.
I never pay attention to college ball or the draft, so this is the first I has ever seen him.
He reminds me of Tim Couch is the way that he is taking a lot of hits.
I wish the Steelers had him as a backup.
It was a good day for PIT in that the entire division lost, so there is PIT and BAL on top of the pile at 5-5.
Gotta love that huh?
Consider the Ravens, They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable are you to God than the Ravens? Book of Luke, Chapter 12, Verse 24. -
Let's see, where was I correct about the stinking squealers and stuff:
About this game - the Browns will win. The squealers will have no answer for Pryor - he'll run them silly as a wr.
Coleman will make them look sillier.TRUE, IF THE QB's COULD EVER GET HIM THE BALL
The only problem is that the squealers will be losing at halftime, and come out the second half, and cheapshot them
out of the game, and maybe ruin Kessler's knees on a late cheapshot after t he whistle walk back to the huddle.
I NAILED IT. THEY CHEAPSHOTTED PRYOR - WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO HITTING A DEFENSELESS PLAYER? WTF?
AND, SURE ENOUGH, THEY CHEAPSHOTTED KESSLER AND MCCOWN, THE KESSLER ONE WAS SERIOUS.
As usual, there won't be any unsportsmanlike conduct penalty - the commish has their backs, for being such
good friends with their owner.
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I WAS WRONG- THE REFS ACTUALLY CALLED EM ON THE QB hits. NOT ON THE PRYOR HIT, THOUGH
If all that happens, Hue will have a meeting with the commish about it all, and ask for an explanation.
Then the commish will invite one of his hack refs and have them throw a penalty flag on Hue for lining
up in the neutral zone.
You heard it here first. Without cheapshots by the squealers... the BROWNS WILL WIN AND IT WILL BE A SUCCESSFUL
FIRST SEASON ! YEP. IT's WHAT THE SQUEALERS DO.Let's see, where was I correct about the stinking squealers and stuff:
They play tough, we play like wimps.
how many more years can this go on ? god honestly this is first time I really feel there is no hope for our team
Many, many. I gave up hope before the season started.
I have been a diehard Browns fan since 1963. This is the worst team the Browns have ever had. We need EVERYTHING. These guys don't even LOOK like professional football players. And, God bless ya, Joe Haden, but I'd trade you tomorrow for whatever I could get. McCown isn't the answer, Kessler isn't the answer, and RGIII will be hurt 20 minutes into his next game. I'm not blaming Hue Jackson at all. Asking him to win with this group of losers is like asking a heart surgeon to perform open heart surgery with a pair of pliers and a screwdriver. Embarrassing.
Exactly. Lombardi couldn't win with this collection of talent.
Why do they play McCown? He just layed Pryor out to dry! They have one really good player and that's Pryor! Why does McCown throw the ball so Pryor gets KO'd?
At 0-11, there is no sense in playing McClown, if Kess is concussed- play Hogan. When he's not laying receivers out to dry, he does a very good pinata imitation. Cut him- waste of a roster spot.
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Browns should have at least looked pissed off after Timmons roughed Kessler & knocked him out.
Cal, I agree in the INT. It was interference, at the very least illegal contact. No call. And yes, the contenders have always gotten calls. Stupid, but that's how it goes.
It sucks, but doesn't really matter in the end. The O line is a seive, it's truly appalling how bad it is.
Today was the kind of day they needed to take advantage of...poor weather is the only thing that will allow them to get a win now. At 17-9, I thought maybe, just maybe a play could be made. NOPE, fumble by a 16 year veteran. Stupid.
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WoW!
I was so disappointed over the loss of RG-3 that I did not watch CLE at all this season.
This Kody Kessler kid looks great.
I never pay attention to college ball or the draft, so this is the first I has ever seen him.
He reminds me of Tim Couch is the way that he is taking a lot of hits.
I wish the Steelers had him as a backup.
It was a good day for PIT in that the entire division lost, so there is PIT and BAL on top of the pile at 5-5.
Gotta love that huh?
WoW!
I was so disappointed over the loss of RG-3 that I did not watch CLE at all this season.
This Kody Kessler kid looks great.
I never pay attention to college ball or the draft, so this is the first I has ever seen him.
He reminds me of Tim Couch is the way that he is taking a lot of hits.
I wish the Steelers had him as a backup.
It was a good day for PIT in that the entire division lost, so there is PIT and BAL on top of the pile at 5-5.
Gotta love that huh?
R Glass III may now get a shot since it looks like the Browns may shut Kessler down with another concussion. Griffin isn't the answer either. Bungles and Ratbirds losing helps the Browns in the race to the #1 pick- and don't bet against that. The Steelers are far from a dominant team, but the Browns make everyone look dominant. Others have said, and I agree- this is the worst team the Browns have ever put on the field. They could probably even lose to the 2008 0-16 Lions.
Wins in 2016? Hell, we'll even take some close losses at this point.
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Which has happened more often? A bad team taking the top QB and finding success for 7+ years, or a bad team taking five first round linemen and plugging a journeyman behind him and experiencing success for 7+ years?
I wasn't aware anyone was advocating for drafting 5 lineman...?
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