Myron Ebell
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My issue with it is that the government and corporations will never do anything for long-term good at the expense short-term profits. We aren't going to see major attempts to slow manmade climate change until the climate makes it too expensive to fill up your tank or put food on your plate. As such, it's at the bottom of my list of priorities.
So don't do anything about it until it is a real problem?
So don't do anything about it until it is a real problem?
Practically, I think that's where we are. We've got wind farms, solar farms, and nuclear power plants all over the country. We're working on fusion, but nowhere near a practical solution. A huge amount of greenhouse gas comes from the meat industry, and unless we either collectively go vegan (fuck that) or start using insects as a major protein source (much more open to this, but people will think it's disgusting), nothing is going to change. The other major culprit is the auto industry, and we seem to be making progress towards an electric car.
What else should we be doing? If we back off shale and fracking, then we're living off the whims of the assholes in OPEC. I'm okay with taking steps toward combating it, but I don't think any serious changes will fly with the majority of taxpayers, therefore, it's at the bottom of my priorities.
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So don't do anything about it until it is a real problem?
Practically, I think that's where we are. We've got wind farms, solar farms, and nuclear power plants all over the country. We're working on fusion, but nowhere near a practical solution. A huge amount of greenhouse gas comes from the meat industry, and unless we either collectively go vegan (fuck that) or start using insects as a major protein source (much more open to this, but people will think it's disgusting), nothing is going to change. The other major culprit is the auto industry, and we seem to be making progress towards an electric car.
What else should we be doing? If we back off shale and fracking, then we're living off the whims of the assholes in OPEC. I'm okay with taking steps toward combating it, but I don't think any serious changes will fly with the majority of taxpayers, therefore, it's at the bottom of my priorities.
Practically, I think that's where we are. We've got wind farms, solar farms, and nuclear power plants all over the country. We're working on fusion, but nowhere near a practical solution. A huge amount of greenhouse gas comes from the meat industry, and unless we either collectively go vegan (fuck that) or start using insects as a major protein source (much more open to this, but people will think it's disgusting), nothing is going to change. The other major culprit is the auto industry, and we seem to be making progress towards an electric car.
What else should we be doing? If we back off shale and fracking, then we're living off the whims of the assholes in OPEC. I'm okay with taking steps toward combating it, but I don't think any serious changes will fly with the majority of taxpayers, therefore, it's at the bottom of my priorities.
Which is all well and good, but putting a climate denier in charge of the EPA moves us backwards. We don' have to tell everyone they need to be vegan, but we could at least agree it is a real thing and move forward.
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Really Ed?
I was all for giving Trump a chance. Drain the swamp and what not. But not to bring in people that are just as bad.
He's bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming. My question is what exactly should we be doing about global warming? We can't hamstring ourselves economically for the environment while India and China say fuck it and do whatever the hell they want and take advantage of whatever niche we'd be leaving.
Exactly.He's bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming. My question is what exactly should we be doing about global warming? We can't hamstring ourselves economically for the environment while India and China say fuck it and do whatever the hell they want and take advantage of whatever niche we'd be leaving.
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So, Vapor, you've been a fairly ardent Trump fan, does him 'bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming' make a difference for you? I mean, most people in government do actually have some idea what it's about, even if it's not their job, while this guy is heading up the environment agency? You can see also the other things he's involved in - coal, tobacco, deregulation etc - do you think this guy will be a force for good in terms of protecting the environment, the air, the rivers etc? Is he going to bang the drum for consequences for companies that dump waste irresponsibly?
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So, Vapor, you've been a fairly ardent Trump fan, does him 'bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming' make a difference for you? I mean, most people in government do actually have some idea what it's about, even if it's not their job, while this guy is heading up the environment agency? You can see also the other things he's involved in - coal, tobacco, deregulation etc - do you think this guy will be a force for good in terms of protecting the environment, the air, the rivers etc? Is he going to bang the drum for consequences for companies that dump waste irresponsibly?
Clueless?So, Vapor, you've been a fairly ardent Trump fan, does him 'bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming' make a difference for you? I mean, most people in government do actually have some idea what it's about, even if it's not their job, while this guy is heading up the environment agency? You can see also the other things he's involved in - coal, tobacco, deregulation etc - do you think this guy will be a force for good in terms of protecting the environment, the air, the rivers etc? Is he going to bang the drum for consequences for companies that dump waste irresponsibly?
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AVALANCHE will show up before Sephiroth can use the black materia.
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He's a libertarian that opposes shit like carbon taxes, don't care.
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Alright.
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So refresh my memory the Paris agreement is where we write a check for is it ten or a hundred billion dollars?
WSS
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so Trump appoints this guy?
so WATT!
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So, Vapor, you've been a fairly ardent Trump fan, does him 'bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming' make a difference for you? I mean, most people in government do actually have some idea what it's about, even if it's not their job, while this guy is heading up the environment agency? You can see also the other things he's involved in - coal, tobacco, deregulation etc - do you think this guy will be a force for good in terms of protecting the environment, the air, the rivers etc? Is he going to bang the drum for consequences for companies that dump waste irresponsibly?
So, Vapor, you've been a fairly ardent Trump fan, does him 'bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming' make a difference for you? I mean, most people in government do actually have some idea what it's about, even if it's not their job, while this guy is heading up the environment agency? You can see also the other things he's involved in - coal, tobacco, deregulation etc - do you think this guy will be a force for good in terms of protecting the environment, the air, the rivers etc? Is he going to bang the drum for consequences for companies that dump waste irresponsibly?
It really doesn't make a difference to me because the issue simply isn't that high on my list of priorities. The things you listed are bad things, for sure, but I'm willing to put up with them if we fix other issues that I believe are more pressing.
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So, Vapor, you've been a fairly ardent Trump fan, does him 'bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming' make a difference for you? I mean, most people in government do actually have some idea what it's about, even if it's not their job, while this guy is heading up the environment agency? You can see also the other things he's involved in - coal, tobacco, deregulation etc - do you think this guy will be a force for good in terms of protecting the environment, the air, the rivers etc? Is he going to bang the drum for consequences for companies that dump waste irresponsibly?
It really doesn't make a difference to me because the issue simply isn't that high on my list of priorities. The things you listed are bad things, for sure, but I'm willing to put up with them if we fix other issues that I believe are more pressing.
It really doesn't make a difference to me because the issue simply isn't that high on my list of priorities. The things you listed are bad things, for sure, but I'm willing to put up with them if we fix other issues that I believe are more pressing.
Which of those issues does this appointment fix
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
It really doesn't make a difference to me because the issue simply isn't that high on my list of priorities. The things you listed are bad things, for sure, but I'm willing to put up with them if we fix other issues that I believe are more pressing.
Which of those issues does this appointment fix
Which of those issues does this appointment fix
If someone who understood climate change was appointed to this position, what issues would that fix? What efforts have been made to stem climate change by the Obama administration? As far as I can tell, the Paris Agreement was a feel-good circlejerk that changed nothing. If I'm wrong here, let me know, this topic isn't really my forte.
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Would you be ok if he thought he understood that mankind might have an effect but he didn't believe we knew how much or how to make meaningful change? Or even everybody's favorite plan of a carbon tax wouldn't help and would be injurious to the economy ? Seems like that's the opinion of a lot of folks and you were just mad if they are on the silly side that denies that it's even happening.
WSS
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Im guessing agreements like the paris accords are stepping stones for the future since climate change isnt going to be "fixed" overnight. Just a wild guess though
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Im guessing agreements like the paris accords are stepping stones for the future since climate change isnt going to be "fixed" overnight. Just a wild guess though
Im guessing agreements like the paris accords are stepping stones for the future since climate change isnt going to be "fixed" overnight. Just a wild guess though
I don't think it even takes effect until 2020 and then it's just basically a guideline, or something, but most importantly a big check from us. Either 10 or 100 billion dollars.
WSS
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It really doesn't make a difference to me because the issue simply isn't that high on my list of priorities. The things you listed are bad things, for sure, but I'm willing to put up with them if we fix other issues that I believe are more pressing.
Which of those issues does this appointment fix
Which of those issues does this appointment fix
Followup because I misunderstood your question. I don't really care what issues this specific appointment does or doesn't fix. I'm more concerned with
1. a change to our warmongering foreign policy. No more opposing Russia just because. Sorry too many millions of deaths and displaced people. Obama was no different than Bush, and Hillary would've been no different than Obama.
2. having a gigantic fuck you sent to the GOP establishment and the DNC establishment whose policies got us here in the first place
3. Having a gigantic fuck you sent to the media, who played an essential role in creating The Donald
4. I want congressional term limits and bans on them being able to lobby
5. 2nd amendment rights not being eroded
6. Increased border security
7. I don't want large numbers of refugees from wartorn hardcore Islamic countries coming here. Leave them to their surrounding countries
8. A gigantic fuck you to everyone whose first reaction to Trump supporters is to close their ears, cover their eyes and shout "racist! xenophobe! idiot!" Their hubris throughout the election has made these last few weeks very enjoyable for me.
A Trump vote is the only way I can see any of these things happening. Lots still needs to be done, and who knows what he's actually going to accomplish, but it was very much worth it for me to take a chance on him instead of going with more of the same old for 4 more years.
My biggest concerns with a Trump presidency are:
1. His idiotic views on net neutrality
2. Pence being president if they do him like JFK
3. Climate change is a distant third
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Which of those issues does this appointment fix
If someone who understood climate change was appointed to this position, what issues would that fix? What efforts have been made to stem climate change by the Obama administration? As far as I can tell, the Paris Agreement was a feel-good circlejerk that changed nothing. If I'm wrong here, let me know, this topic isn't really my forte.
Well you responded to my question with more questions, so I don't feel it was answered. What exactly does Ebell bring to the table?If someone who understood climate change was appointed to this position, what issues would that fix? What efforts have been made to stem climate change by the Obama administration? As far as I can tell, the Paris Agreement was a feel-good circlejerk that changed nothing. If I'm wrong here, let me know, this topic isn't really my forte.
So far I see him as a Climate, tobacco, pesticide Denier that is supported by those industries. Not draining the Swamp, and not someone I'd want in charge of our environmental agency
Edit: see your response. Has nothing to do with Ebell, just Trump..
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Which of those issues does this appointment fix
Followup because I misunderstood your question. I don't really care what issues this specific appointment does or doesn't fix. I'm more concerned with
1. a change to our warmongering foreign policy. No more opposing Russia just because. Sorry too many millions of deaths and displaced people. Obama was no different than Bush, and Hillary would've been no different than Obama.
2. having a gigantic fuck you sent to the GOP establishment and the DNC establishment whose policies got us here in the first place
3. Having a gigantic fuck you sent to the media, who played an essential role in creating The Donald
4. I want congressional term limits and bans on them being able to lobby
5. 2nd amendment rights not being eroded
6. Increased border security
7. I don't want large numbers of refugees from wartorn hardcore Islamic countries coming here. Leave them to their surrounding countries
8. A gigantic fuck you to everyone whose first reaction to Trump supporters is to close their ears, cover their eyes and shout "racist! xenophobe! idiot!" Their hubris throughout the election has made these last few weeks very enjoyable for me.
A Trump vote is the only way I can see any of these things happening. Lots still needs to be done, and who knows what he's actually going to accomplish, but it was very much worth it for me to take a chance on him instead of going with more of the same old for 4 more years.
My biggest concerns with a Trump presidency are:
1. His idiotic views on net neutrality
2. Pence being president if they do him like JFK
3. Climate change is a distant third
Followup because I misunderstood your question. I don't really care what issues this specific appointment does or doesn't fix. I'm more concerned with
1. a change to our warmongering foreign policy. No more opposing Russia just because. Sorry too many millions of deaths and displaced people. Obama was no different than Bush, and Hillary would've been no different than Obama.
2. having a gigantic fuck you sent to the GOP establishment and the DNC establishment whose policies got us here in the first place
3. Having a gigantic fuck you sent to the media, who played an essential role in creating The Donald
4. I want congressional term limits and bans on them being able to lobby
5. 2nd amendment rights not being eroded
6. Increased border security
7. I don't want large numbers of refugees from wartorn hardcore Islamic countries coming here. Leave them to their surrounding countries
8. A gigantic fuck you to everyone whose first reaction to Trump supporters is to close their ears, cover their eyes and shout "racist! xenophobe! idiot!" Their hubris throughout the election has made these last few weeks very enjoyable for me.
A Trump vote is the only way I can see any of these things happening. Lots still needs to be done, and who knows what he's actually going to accomplish, but it was very much worth it for me to take a chance on him instead of going with more of the same old for 4 more years.
My biggest concerns with a Trump presidency are:
1. His idiotic views on net neutrality
2. Pence being president if they do him like JFK
3. Climate change is a distant third
That's like saying "I don't care about who plays wide receiver until we get our QB and center sorted, so I'm going to put spencer drango out there"
There isn't a cap on the amount of skill and knowledge you can have in government, Trump's just appointed a 'shill', to use Ed's second favourite word, for all those industries that would like to see a lot less regulation, and a lot more freedom to just screw up the local and global environment. It's not like you have to just put a 7th round guy in there because other needs are greater.
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So what problems did the last dame fix?
WSS
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