Myron Ebell
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Woody is our alarmist in chief and even he has no idea what to do about it.
The left just want somebody to whine and wring their hands over it, not really to take any action.
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I've given suggestions on what I think we could do, and yes, it involves regulation and taxes.
Your responses on the subject have always been "we can't do anything, so why bother." Groundbreaking stuff.
Jack shit will get done while we're still having to debate if climate change is happening. And now with this guy in charge, we are taking giant steps back.
Fuck all of those scientists and experts any. What do they know? It's snowing outside!
And fuck you trying to discredit me by calling me an alarmist. I haven't once come in here yelling about the world ending tomorrow. I'm listening to the experts on the subject, that say we're affecting the climate, and we should start doing something about it, to avoid negative consequences down the road.
I've given suggestions on what I think we could do, and yes, it involves regulation and taxes.
My issue with it is that the government and corporations will never do anything for long-term good at the expense short-term profits. We aren't going to see major attempts to slow manmade climate change until the climate makes it too expensive to fill up your tank or put food on your plate. As such, it's at the bottom of my list of priorities.
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I've given suggestions on what I think we could do, and yes, it involves regulation and taxes.
My issue with it is that the government and corporations will never do anything for long-term good at the expense short-term profits. We aren't going to see major attempts to slow manmade climate change until the climate makes it too expensive to fill up your tank or put food on your plate. As such, it's at the bottom of my list of priorities.
My issue with it is that the government and corporations will never do anything for long-term good at the expense short-term profits. We aren't going to see major attempts to slow manmade climate change until the climate makes it too expensive to fill up your tank or put food on your plate. As such, it's at the bottom of my list of priorities.
So don't do anything about it until it is a real problem?
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
1.5 trillion dollars annually. Seems excessive. Wonder how much everyone else kicked in?
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In fairness Woody jack shit has gotten done over the last 8 years of Obama rule.
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In fairness Woody jack shit has gotten done over the last 8 years of Obama rule.
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In fairness Woody jack shit has gotten done over the last 8 years of Obama rule.
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The Paris agreement is something. We also generate more renewable energy now.
It is hard to do much when you have to fight ignorant politicians at every turn. Ex:
Which gets back to my point. It will be hard to do much when a sizable (and now controlling) portion of our govt. doesn't even believe it's an issue.
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"And someday we may see this as the moment that we finally decided to save our planet."
Hallelujah
WSS
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My issue with it is that the government and corporations will never do anything for long-term good at the expense short-term profits. We aren't going to see major attempts to slow manmade climate change until the climate makes it too expensive to fill up your tank or put food on your plate. As such, it's at the bottom of my list of priorities.
So don't do anything about it until it is a real problem?
So don't do anything about it until it is a real problem?
Practically, I think that's where we are. We've got wind farms, solar farms, and nuclear power plants all over the country. We're working on fusion, but nowhere near a practical solution. A huge amount of greenhouse gas comes from the meat industry, and unless we either collectively go vegan (fuck that) or start using insects as a major protein source (much more open to this, but people will think it's disgusting), nothing is going to change. The other major culprit is the auto industry, and we seem to be making progress towards an electric car.
What else should we be doing? If we back off shale and fracking, then we're living off the whims of the assholes in OPEC. I'm okay with taking steps toward combating it, but I don't think any serious changes will fly with the majority of taxpayers, therefore, it's at the bottom of my priorities.
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So don't do anything about it until it is a real problem?
Practically, I think that's where we are. We've got wind farms, solar farms, and nuclear power plants all over the country. We're working on fusion, but nowhere near a practical solution. A huge amount of greenhouse gas comes from the meat industry, and unless we either collectively go vegan (fuck that) or start using insects as a major protein source (much more open to this, but people will think it's disgusting), nothing is going to change. The other major culprit is the auto industry, and we seem to be making progress towards an electric car.
What else should we be doing? If we back off shale and fracking, then we're living off the whims of the assholes in OPEC. I'm okay with taking steps toward combating it, but I don't think any serious changes will fly with the majority of taxpayers, therefore, it's at the bottom of my priorities.
Practically, I think that's where we are. We've got wind farms, solar farms, and nuclear power plants all over the country. We're working on fusion, but nowhere near a practical solution. A huge amount of greenhouse gas comes from the meat industry, and unless we either collectively go vegan (fuck that) or start using insects as a major protein source (much more open to this, but people will think it's disgusting), nothing is going to change. The other major culprit is the auto industry, and we seem to be making progress towards an electric car.
What else should we be doing? If we back off shale and fracking, then we're living off the whims of the assholes in OPEC. I'm okay with taking steps toward combating it, but I don't think any serious changes will fly with the majority of taxpayers, therefore, it's at the bottom of my priorities.
Which is all well and good, but putting a climate denier in charge of the EPA moves us backwards. We don' have to tell everyone they need to be vegan, but we could at least agree it is a real thing and move forward.
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Really Ed?
I was all for giving Trump a chance. Drain the swamp and what not. But not to bring in people that are just as bad.
He's bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming. My question is what exactly should we be doing about global warming? We can't hamstring ourselves economically for the environment while India and China say fuck it and do whatever the hell they want and take advantage of whatever niche we'd be leaving.
Exactly.He's bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming. My question is what exactly should we be doing about global warming? We can't hamstring ourselves economically for the environment while India and China say fuck it and do whatever the hell they want and take advantage of whatever niche we'd be leaving.
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So, Vapor, you've been a fairly ardent Trump fan, does him 'bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming' make a difference for you? I mean, most people in government do actually have some idea what it's about, even if it's not their job, while this guy is heading up the environment agency? You can see also the other things he's involved in - coal, tobacco, deregulation etc - do you think this guy will be a force for good in terms of protecting the environment, the air, the rivers etc? Is he going to bang the drum for consequences for companies that dump waste irresponsibly?
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So, Vapor, you've been a fairly ardent Trump fan, does him 'bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming' make a difference for you? I mean, most people in government do actually have some idea what it's about, even if it's not their job, while this guy is heading up the environment agency? You can see also the other things he's involved in - coal, tobacco, deregulation etc - do you think this guy will be a force for good in terms of protecting the environment, the air, the rivers etc? Is he going to bang the drum for consequences for companies that dump waste irresponsibly?
Clueless?So, Vapor, you've been a fairly ardent Trump fan, does him 'bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming' make a difference for you? I mean, most people in government do actually have some idea what it's about, even if it's not their job, while this guy is heading up the environment agency? You can see also the other things he's involved in - coal, tobacco, deregulation etc - do you think this guy will be a force for good in terms of protecting the environment, the air, the rivers etc? Is he going to bang the drum for consequences for companies that dump waste irresponsibly?
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AVALANCHE will show up before Sephiroth can use the black materia.
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He's a libertarian that opposes shit like carbon taxes, don't care.
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Alright.
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So refresh my memory the Paris agreement is where we write a check for is it ten or a hundred billion dollars?
WSS
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so Trump appoints this guy?
so WATT!
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So, Vapor, you've been a fairly ardent Trump fan, does him 'bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming' make a difference for you? I mean, most people in government do actually have some idea what it's about, even if it's not their job, while this guy is heading up the environment agency? You can see also the other things he's involved in - coal, tobacco, deregulation etc - do you think this guy will be a force for good in terms of protecting the environment, the air, the rivers etc? Is he going to bang the drum for consequences for companies that dump waste irresponsibly?
So, Vapor, you've been a fairly ardent Trump fan, does him 'bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming' make a difference for you? I mean, most people in government do actually have some idea what it's about, even if it's not their job, while this guy is heading up the environment agency? You can see also the other things he's involved in - coal, tobacco, deregulation etc - do you think this guy will be a force for good in terms of protecting the environment, the air, the rivers etc? Is he going to bang the drum for consequences for companies that dump waste irresponsibly?
It really doesn't make a difference to me because the issue simply isn't that high on my list of priorities. The things you listed are bad things, for sure, but I'm willing to put up with them if we fix other issues that I believe are more pressing.
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So, Vapor, you've been a fairly ardent Trump fan, does him 'bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming' make a difference for you? I mean, most people in government do actually have some idea what it's about, even if it's not their job, while this guy is heading up the environment agency? You can see also the other things he's involved in - coal, tobacco, deregulation etc - do you think this guy will be a force for good in terms of protecting the environment, the air, the rivers etc? Is he going to bang the drum for consequences for companies that dump waste irresponsibly?
It really doesn't make a difference to me because the issue simply isn't that high on my list of priorities. The things you listed are bad things, for sure, but I'm willing to put up with them if we fix other issues that I believe are more pressing.
It really doesn't make a difference to me because the issue simply isn't that high on my list of priorities. The things you listed are bad things, for sure, but I'm willing to put up with them if we fix other issues that I believe are more pressing.
Which of those issues does this appointment fix
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
It really doesn't make a difference to me because the issue simply isn't that high on my list of priorities. The things you listed are bad things, for sure, but I'm willing to put up with them if we fix other issues that I believe are more pressing.
Which of those issues does this appointment fix
Which of those issues does this appointment fix
If someone who understood climate change was appointed to this position, what issues would that fix? What efforts have been made to stem climate change by the Obama administration? As far as I can tell, the Paris Agreement was a feel-good circlejerk that changed nothing. If I'm wrong here, let me know, this topic isn't really my forte.
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Would you be ok if he thought he understood that mankind might have an effect but he didn't believe we knew how much or how to make meaningful change? Or even everybody's favorite plan of a carbon tax wouldn't help and would be injurious to the economy ? Seems like that's the opinion of a lot of folks and you were just mad if they are on the silly side that denies that it's even happening.
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