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  • @mld-woody said:

    Really Ed?

    I was all for giving Trump a chance. Drain the swamp and what not. But not to bring in people that are just as bad.

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    I take it that the "W" stands for woodpecker?

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

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  • Really Ed?

    I was all for giving Trump a chance. Drain the swamp and what not. But not to bring in people that are just as bad.

    @mld-woody said:

    Really Ed?

    I was all for giving Trump a chance. Drain the swamp and what not. But not to bring in people that are just as bad.

    He's bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming. My question is what exactly should we be doing about global warming? We can't hamstring ourselves economically for the environment while India and China say fuck it and do whatever the hell they want and take advantage of whatever niche we'd be leaving.

  • @mld-woody said:

    Really Ed?

    I was all for giving Trump a chance. Drain the swamp and what not. But not to bring in people that are just as bad.

    He's bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming. My question is what exactly should we be doing about global warming? We can't hamstring ourselves economically for the environment while India and China say fuck it and do whatever the hell they want and take advantage of whatever niche we'd be leaving.

    @vaportrail said:

    He's bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming. My question is what exactly should we be doing about global warming? We can't hamstring ourselves economically for the environment while India and China say fuck it and do whatever the hell they want and take advantage of whatever niche we'd be leaving.

    Woody is our alarmist in chief and even he has no idea what to do about it.

    The left just want somebody to whine and wring their hands over it, not really to take any action.

    WSS

  • @mld-woody said:

    Really Ed?

    I was all for giving Trump a chance. Drain the swamp and what not. But not to bring in people that are just as bad.

    He's bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming. My question is what exactly should we be doing about global warming? We can't hamstring ourselves economically for the environment while India and China say fuck it and do whatever the hell they want and take advantage of whatever niche we'd be leaving.

    @vaportrail said:

    He's bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming. My question is what exactly should we be doing about global warming? We can't hamstring ourselves economically for the environment while India and China say fuck it and do whatever the hell they want and take advantage of whatever niche we'd be leaving.

    Right, but we can do that without a Climate Denier, pesticide harm Denier, and tobacco industry protector, that takes money for all of these, in charge of the EPA...

  • @vaportrail said:

    He's bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming. My question is what exactly should we be doing about global warming? We can't hamstring ourselves economically for the environment while India and China say fuck it and do whatever the hell they want and take advantage of whatever niche we'd be leaving.

    Woody is our alarmist in chief and even he has no idea what to do about it.

    The left just want somebody to whine and wring their hands over it, not really to take any action.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Woody is our alarmist in chief and even he has no idea what to do about it.

    The left just want somebody to whine and wring their hands over it, not really to take any action.

    WSS

    I've given suggestions on what I think we could do, and yes, it involves regulation and taxes.

    Your responses on the subject have always been "we can't do anything, so why bother." Groundbreaking stuff.

    Jack shit will get done while we're still having to debate if climate change is happening. And now with this guy in charge, we are taking giant steps back.

    Fuck all of those scientists and experts any. What do they know? It's snowing outside!

    And fuck you trying to discredit me by calling me an alarmist. I haven't once come in here yelling about the world ending tomorrow. I'm listening to the experts on the subject, that say we're affecting the climate, and we should start doing something about it, to avoid negative consequences down the road.

  • Oh he's a pesticidal denier too? What u think about that cal? Being the natural farmer u claim to be.....

  • @westside-steve said:

    Woody is our alarmist in chief and even he has no idea what to do about it.

    The left just want somebody to whine and wring their hands over it, not really to take any action.

    WSS

    I've given suggestions on what I think we could do, and yes, it involves regulation and taxes.

    Your responses on the subject have always been "we can't do anything, so why bother." Groundbreaking stuff.

    Jack shit will get done while we're still having to debate if climate change is happening. And now with this guy in charge, we are taking giant steps back.

    Fuck all of those scientists and experts any. What do they know? It's snowing outside!

    And fuck you trying to discredit me by calling me an alarmist. I haven't once come in here yelling about the world ending tomorrow. I'm listening to the experts on the subject, that say we're affecting the climate, and we should start doing something about it, to avoid negative consequences down the road.

    @mld-woody said:

    I've given suggestions on what I think we could do, and yes, it involves regulation and taxes.

    Your responses on the subject have always been "we can't do anything, so why bother." Groundbreaking stuff.

    Jack shit will get done while we're still having to debate if climate change is happening. And now with this guy in charge, we are taking giant steps back.

    Fuck all of those scientists and experts any. What do they know? It's snowing outside!

    And fuck you trying to discredit me by calling me an alarmist. I haven't once come in here yelling about the world ending tomorrow. I'm listening to the experts on the subject, that say we're affecting the climate, and we should start doing something about it, to avoid negative consequences down the road.

    Waaaaaaaa, waaaaaaaaaaa, waaaaaaaaaa.

  • @westside-steve said:

    Woody is our alarmist in chief and even he has no idea what to do about it.

    The left just want somebody to whine and wring their hands over it, not really to take any action.

    WSS

    I've given suggestions on what I think we could do, and yes, it involves regulation and taxes.

    Your responses on the subject have always been "we can't do anything, so why bother." Groundbreaking stuff.

    Jack shit will get done while we're still having to debate if climate change is happening. And now with this guy in charge, we are taking giant steps back.

    Fuck all of those scientists and experts any. What do they know? It's snowing outside!

    And fuck you trying to discredit me by calling me an alarmist. I haven't once come in here yelling about the world ending tomorrow. I'm listening to the experts on the subject, that say we're affecting the climate, and we should start doing something about it, to avoid negative consequences down the road.

    @mld-woody said:

    I've given suggestions on what I think we could do, and yes, it involves regulation and taxes.

    My issue with it is that the government and corporations will never do anything for long-term good at the expense short-term profits. We aren't going to see major attempts to slow manmade climate change until the climate makes it too expensive to fill up your tank or put food on your plate. As such, it's at the bottom of my list of priorities.

  • @mld-woody said:

    I've given suggestions on what I think we could do, and yes, it involves regulation and taxes.

    My issue with it is that the government and corporations will never do anything for long-term good at the expense short-term profits. We aren't going to see major attempts to slow manmade climate change until the climate makes it too expensive to fill up your tank or put food on your plate. As such, it's at the bottom of my list of priorities.

    @vaportrail said:

    My issue with it is that the government and corporations will never do anything for long-term good at the expense short-term profits. We aren't going to see major attempts to slow manmade climate change until the climate makes it too expensive to fill up your tank or put food on your plate. As such, it's at the bottom of my list of priorities.

    So don't do anything about it until it is a real problem?

  • 1.5 trillion dollars annually. Seems excessive. Wonder how much everyone else kicked in?

  • In fairness Woody jack shit has gotten done over the last 8 years of Obama rule.

    WSS

  • In fairness Woody jack shit has gotten done over the last 8 years of Obama rule.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    In fairness Woody jack shit has gotten done over the last 8 years of Obama rule.

    WSS

    The Paris agreement is something. We also generate more renewable energy now.

    It is hard to do much when you have to fight ignorant politicians at every turn. Ex:

    Which gets back to my point. It will be hard to do much when a sizable (and now controlling) portion of our govt. doesn't even believe it's an issue.

  • "And someday we may see this as the moment that we finally decided to save our planet."

    Hallelujah

    WSS

  • @vaportrail said:

    My issue with it is that the government and corporations will never do anything for long-term good at the expense short-term profits. We aren't going to see major attempts to slow manmade climate change until the climate makes it too expensive to fill up your tank or put food on your plate. As such, it's at the bottom of my list of priorities.

    So don't do anything about it until it is a real problem?

    @mld-woody said:

    So don't do anything about it until it is a real problem?

    Practically, I think that's where we are. We've got wind farms, solar farms, and nuclear power plants all over the country. We're working on fusion, but nowhere near a practical solution. A huge amount of greenhouse gas comes from the meat industry, and unless we either collectively go vegan (fuck that) or start using insects as a major protein source (much more open to this, but people will think it's disgusting), nothing is going to change. The other major culprit is the auto industry, and we seem to be making progress towards an electric car.

    What else should we be doing? If we back off shale and fracking, then we're living off the whims of the assholes in OPEC. I'm okay with taking steps toward combating it, but I don't think any serious changes will fly with the majority of taxpayers, therefore, it's at the bottom of my priorities.

  • @mld-woody said:

    So don't do anything about it until it is a real problem?

    Practically, I think that's where we are. We've got wind farms, solar farms, and nuclear power plants all over the country. We're working on fusion, but nowhere near a practical solution. A huge amount of greenhouse gas comes from the meat industry, and unless we either collectively go vegan (fuck that) or start using insects as a major protein source (much more open to this, but people will think it's disgusting), nothing is going to change. The other major culprit is the auto industry, and we seem to be making progress towards an electric car.

    What else should we be doing? If we back off shale and fracking, then we're living off the whims of the assholes in OPEC. I'm okay with taking steps toward combating it, but I don't think any serious changes will fly with the majority of taxpayers, therefore, it's at the bottom of my priorities.

    @vaportrail said:

    Practically, I think that's where we are. We've got wind farms, solar farms, and nuclear power plants all over the country. We're working on fusion, but nowhere near a practical solution. A huge amount of greenhouse gas comes from the meat industry, and unless we either collectively go vegan (fuck that) or start using insects as a major protein source (much more open to this, but people will think it's disgusting), nothing is going to change. The other major culprit is the auto industry, and we seem to be making progress towards an electric car.

    What else should we be doing? If we back off shale and fracking, then we're living off the whims of the assholes in OPEC. I'm okay with taking steps toward combating it, but I don't think any serious changes will fly with the majority of taxpayers, therefore, it's at the bottom of my priorities.

    Which is all well and good, but putting a climate denier in charge of the EPA moves us backwards. We don' have to tell everyone they need to be vegan, but we could at least agree it is a real thing and move forward.

  • @mld-woody said:

    Really Ed?

    I was all for giving Trump a chance. Drain the swamp and what not. But not to bring in people that are just as bad.

    He's bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming. My question is what exactly should we be doing about global warming? We can't hamstring ourselves economically for the environment while India and China say fuck it and do whatever the hell they want and take advantage of whatever niche we'd be leaving.

    @vaportrail said:

    He's bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming. My question is what exactly should we be doing about global warming? We can't hamstring ourselves economically for the environment while India and China say fuck it and do whatever the hell they want and take advantage of whatever niche we'd be leaving.

    Exactly.
  • So, Vapor, you've been a fairly ardent Trump fan, does him 'bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming' make a difference for you? I mean, most people in government do actually have some idea what it's about, even if it's not their job, while this guy is heading up the environment agency? You can see also the other things he's involved in - coal, tobacco, deregulation etc - do you think this guy will be a force for good in terms of protecting the environment, the air, the rivers etc? Is he going to bang the drum for consequences for companies that dump waste irresponsibly?

  • So, Vapor, you've been a fairly ardent Trump fan, does him 'bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming' make a difference for you? I mean, most people in government do actually have some idea what it's about, even if it's not their job, while this guy is heading up the environment agency? You can see also the other things he's involved in - coal, tobacco, deregulation etc - do you think this guy will be a force for good in terms of protecting the environment, the air, the rivers etc? Is he going to bang the drum for consequences for companies that dump waste irresponsibly?

    @gftchris said:

    So, Vapor, you've been a fairly ardent Trump fan, does him 'bringing in a guy who's clueless about global warming' make a difference for you? I mean, most people in government do actually have some idea what it's about, even if it's not their job, while this guy is heading up the environment agency? You can see also the other things he's involved in - coal, tobacco, deregulation etc - do you think this guy will be a force for good in terms of protecting the environment, the air, the rivers etc? Is he going to bang the drum for consequences for companies that dump waste irresponsibly?

    Clueless?
  • AVALANCHE will show up before Sephiroth can use the black materia.

  • He's a libertarian that opposes shit like carbon taxes, don't care.