Draft Talk
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Allen is currently listed at 265. That aint 5 tech material. Not in my defense. My 5 looks like justin smith. Would love to see 4 man fronts with allen as the strong side DE and maybe orchard on the other side as the speed rush. Heck we couldveven use collins as the weak side rusher
Allen is currently listed at 265. That aint 5 tech material. Not in my defense. My 5 looks like justin smith. Would love to see 4 man fronts with allen as the strong side DE and maybe orchard on the other side as the speed rush. Heck we couldveven use collins as the weak side rusher
Cool but this isn't your defense and I'm failing to see how Allen is too s small for 'your' 5tech (shaded outside the tackle to be clear) but you say you want him as a SDE...
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WOULD you like this 1ST RD OF draft?
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Allen is way bigger than 265. Maybe 290.
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The draft people also thought clowney would have the sack record by now. In fact Mack didn't climb up their boards until after the combine despite his wicked stupid tape which clearly showed he was at least at clowneys level
The draft people also thought clowney would have the sack record by now. In fact Mack didn't climb up their boards until after the combine despite his wicked stupid tape which clearly showed he was at least at clowneys level
This is the first year Clowney has not been injured. Apples and Oranges.
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I would be shocked if Allen is 290.
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Allen is currently listed at 265. That aint 5 tech material. Not in my defense. My 5 looks like justin smith. Would love to see 4 man fronts with allen as the strong side DE and maybe orchard on the other side as the speed rush. Heck we couldveven use collins as the weak side rusher
Cool but this isn't your defense and I'm failing to see how Allen is too s small for 'your' 5tech (shaded outside the tackle to be clear) but you say you want him as a SDE...
Cool but this isn't your defense and I'm failing to see how Allen is too s small for 'your' 5tech (shaded outside the tackle to be clear) but you say you want him as a SDE...
In what 3-4 do 5 techs spend most of their time in the 9? Maybe a couple times a game but for the most part they spend the game occupying gurd and tackle as best they can so the olb'ers can get home. Aldon and justin were the prototype 5tech olb'er pair. I know houston gets jj out there when they can and he just obliterated tackles outside shoulders trimming the edge.
If jj was on our team and i was DC, him and dez would our DE's in the base 4-3. Those two and shelton/meder on the inside would be the sickest 4 man front in football.
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Allen is currently listed at 265. That aint 5 tech material. Not in my defense. My 5 looks like justin smith. Would love to see 4 man fronts with allen as the strong side DE and maybe orchard on the other side as the speed rush. Heck we couldveven use collins as the weak side rusher
Allen is currently listed at 265. That aint 5 tech material. Not in my defense. My 5 looks like justin smith. Would love to see 4 man fronts with allen as the strong side DE and maybe orchard on the other side as the speed rush. Heck we couldveven use collins as the weak side rusher
Allen is way bigger than 265. Maybe 290.
I would be shocked if Allen is 290.
Allen gets listed at 293lbs, btw.
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265 was Allen's weight his senior year of high school according to Rivals.com.
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Allen is currently listed at 265. That aint 5 tech material. Not in my defense. My 5 looks like justin smith. Would love to see 4 man fronts with allen as the strong side DE and maybe orchard on the other side as the speed rush. Heck we couldveven use collins as the weak side rusher
Allen is way bigger than 265. Maybe 290.
I would be shocked if Allen is 290.
Allen gets listed at 293lbs, btw.
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Why bother when they will take Trubisky #1?
Because they won't?
Show me the list of those who said last year, "Can't wait for Trubisky to come out!"
I think it was TCPO or tia that first cautioned us to beware the fast rising QB in the draft, e.g., Tannehill, Bortles, Locker. They're sucked up by the QB void as much as they're rocketed by ability. Mitch looks primed to be the 2017 addition to the list.
Contrast the risers with those that started at least their final year atop the heap and stuck there: Winston, Mariotta, Luck, even RG3, Newton...
But just a cautionary note... as I said, I still have work to do.
Allen is way bigger than 265. Maybe 290.
Easily... just have to look at him to see that his Wikipedia weight is off by a mile.
And, yes, tia... meant Shelton at NT. And Bryant's torn pec is not the most career debilitating injury... I feel good about his return to form.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
This pretty much confirms what I thought about Pasztor.
Gil Brandt tweeted. . .
Most total pressures + sacks allowed (through Wk 11)
Barksdale 34.5
C.Clark 34.5
Pasztor 33.5
Castonzo 31
Reiff 31
Ogbuehi 30.5
Free 30
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
This pretty much confirms what I thought about Pasztor.
Gil Brandt tweeted. . .
Most total pressures + sacks allowed (through Wk 11)
Barksdale 34.5
C.Clark 34.5
Pasztor 33.5
Castonzo 31
Reiff 31
Ogbuehi 30.5
Free 30
This pretty much confirms what I thought about Pasztor.
Gil Brandt tweeted. . .
Most total pressures + sacks allowed (through Wk 11)
Barksdale 34.5
C.Clark 34.5
Pasztor 33.5
Castonzo 31
Reiff 31
Ogbuehi 30.5
Free 30
But PFF said Pasztor is good.
Haha
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Why bother when they will take Trubisky #1?
Because they won't?
Show me the list of those who said last year, "Can't wait for Trubisky to come out!"
I think it was TCPO or tia that first cautioned us to beware the fast rising QB in the draft, e.g., Tannehill, Bortles, Locker. They're sucked up by the QB void as much as they're rocketed by ability. Mitch looks primed to be the 2017 addition to the list.
Contrast the risers with those that started at least their final year atop the heap and stuck there: Winston, Mariotta, Luck, even RG3, Newton...
But just a cautionary note... as I said, I still have work to do.
Allen is way bigger than 265. Maybe 290.
Easily... just have to look at him to see that his Wikipedia weight is off by a mile.
And, yes, tia... meant Shelton at NT. And Bryant's torn pec is not the most career debilitating injury... I feel good about his return to form.
Because they won't?
Show me the list of those who said last year, "Can't wait for Trubisky to come out!"
I think it was TCPO or tia that first cautioned us to beware the fast rising QB in the draft, e.g., Tannehill, Bortles, Locker. They're sucked up by the QB void as much as they're rocketed by ability. Mitch looks primed to be the 2017 addition to the list.
Contrast the risers with those that started at least their final year atop the heap and stuck there: Winston, Mariotta, Luck, even RG3, Newton...
But just a cautionary note... as I said, I still have work to do.
Easily... just have to look at him to see that his Wikipedia weight is off by a mile.
And, yes, tia... meant Shelton at NT. And Bryant's torn pec is not the most career debilitating injury... I feel good about his return to form.
I'll even admit, I like some of what I see about Mitch. But there is so much more that can be revealed.
One year starters are almost always a giant concern and require doing beyond your due diligence on them.
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Ok my mistake, espn had him at 290. That 265 was the first link when u google him. Still, 6'3 285-290 is my ideal DE. .
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Because they won't?
Show me the list of those who said last year, "Can't wait for Trubisky to come out!"
I think it was TCPO or tia that first cautioned us to beware the fast rising QB in the draft, e.g., Tannehill, Bortles, Locker. They're sucked up by the QB void as much as they're rocketed by ability. Mitch looks primed to be the 2017 addition to the list.
Contrast the risers with those that started at least their final year atop the heap and stuck there: Winston, Mariotta, Luck, even RG3, Newton...
But just a cautionary note... as I said, I still have work to do.
Easily... just have to look at him to see that his Wikipedia weight is off by a mile.
And, yes, tia... meant Shelton at NT. And Bryant's torn pec is not the most career debilitating injury... I feel good about his return to form.
I'll even admit, I like some of what I see about Mitch. But there is so much more that can be revealed.
One year starters are almost always a giant concern and require doing beyond your due diligence on them.
I'll even admit, I like some of what I see about Mitch. But there is so much more that can be revealed.
One year starters are almost always a giant concern and require doing beyond your due diligence on them.
I agree as well. I like Mitch at this point more than I did a Wentz last year at the same point.
The one year start doesn't bother me as much because I believe in mental acuity more than anything else...and that doesn't always come from experience. Some players just have it.
Does Mitch? We'll see.
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I'll even admit, I like some of what I see about Mitch. But there is so much more that can be revealed.
One year starters are almost always a giant concern and require doing beyond your due diligence on them.
I agree as well. I like Mitch at this point more than I did a Wentz last year at the same point.
The one year start doesn't bother me as much because I believe in mental acuity more than anything else...and that doesn't always come from experience. Some players just have it.
Does Mitch? We'll see.
I agree as well. I like Mitch at this point more than I did a Wentz last year at the same point.
The one year start doesn't bother me as much because I believe in mental acuity more than anything else...and that doesn't always come from experience. Some players just have it.
Does Mitch? We'll see.
General rule of thumb, I'm a fan of small(er) school QB's. They tend to not have elite talent around them so if they're good then you know how much of it is individual skill raising the game of players around them.
I liked Wentz a little more because of his size and work under center.
But we agree, more to be seen.
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No way in hell we take a QB with the first pick, and I hope we don't with the Eagles pick
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
I agree as well. I like Mitch at this point more than I did a Wentz last year at the same point.
The one year start doesn't bother me as much because I believe in mental acuity more than anything else...and that doesn't always come from experience. Some players just have it.
Does Mitch? We'll see.
General rule of thumb, I'm a fan of small(er) school QB's. They tend to not have elite talent around them so if they're good then you know how much of it is individual skill raising the game of players around them.
I liked Wentz a little more because of his size and work under center.
But we agree, more to be seen.
General rule of thumb, I'm a fan of small(er) school QB's. They tend to not have elite talent around them so if they're good then you know how much of it is individual skill raising the game of players around them.
I liked Wentz a little more because of his size and work under center.
But we agree, more to be seen.
Interesting perspective T.
North Dakota State is also a really good program in the sense they were winning their level of National Championships before Wentz arrived and stayed at that level when it was his time to shine. They also beat a pretty good Big 10 team (Iowa) this year without Wentz. While NDS won the National Championship in 2015 - Iowa was good enough to have a lead in the Big 10 Championship Game until the closing seconds. I can't imagine either location of program is the greatest of recruiting attractions so there's a lot to appreciate about both programs.
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No way in hell we take a QB with the first pick, and I hope we don't with the Eagles pick
No way in hell we take a QB with the first pick, and I hope we don't with the Eagles pick
I think a lot of us share your point. Dallas and Seattle never went for the national Mock Draft faves at QB in round 1; and they're currently the teams to beat in the NFC. The unfortunate thing is when there is a shortage of supply of elite QBs like 2017 looks to be, somebody like Trubisky is probably going to go in round 1 somewhere. I would be okay parting with a 2nd round pick for him; but the reality of nobody reaching up for him seems too improbable for that.
What makes a college QB so hard to peg for the next level is the type of passing game many productive college QBs are coming from don't ask them to read progressions against complicated defenses. They have a lot of pre-set area/timing throws from a predetermined 3 step, 5 step or 7 step drop with occasional bootleg/waggle pass opportunities for the QB to throw outside of pocket (frequently flooding a third of the field with 1 deep, 1 intermediate and 1 short route along with a backside receiver hitting a middle seam. In the NFL, it's mostly about who can speed read the progressions and be accurate enough to do well. RG3 can do the 7 step drop and throw a beauty to a deep 3rd for his athlete (as seen with Pryor). He can also do great with the bootleg playaction waggle passes; but he's more fragile than agile so we're still at uh-oh with him. Might as well see what we have in Hogan. Hogan's Heroes or Hogan's Zeros?
Guys that are quick enough with the read can look the part of strong arm while those that hesitate get labeled as the next Colt McCoy fair or not. Then again, how fun was it for a QB to throw to rookie WRs like Mo Mass and Brian Robiskie? There's a lot of mistrust with QBs throwing to first year starters at WRs especially in a division that has had complicated and well disguised zone blitzes inexperienced players don't always see or anticipate well. Even more so if our passer is also a rookie. All our WRs this year are first year starters except for Hawkins, which explains his ranking in TD receptions on this WR quite well especially for a guy that rarely scored for us in the past. Sometimes our line gets blamed or the QB gets blamed when the passer is holding onto the ball too long for a sack while we rarely ever hear the WRs getting blamed for a wrong adjustment to a coverage leverage/scheme. Obviously that's coaching too when the success of a pass depends on timing and trust that route adjustment will be correct all the times we're not seeing these guys on the same page. Inexperience at QB invites this growing pain while inexperience on the perimeter can compound it. Then when a team coming off 3-13 football loses both Bitonio and the upgrade at Center to injury up front - here's a little salt for our wounds.
I read an article about Jim Harbaugh in ESPN Magazine after he mapped Stanford's Football Progam into a winning tradition. He basically adopted the passing game he had the best luck with as an NFL QB under Lindy Infante back when he took the Colts to the playoffs. He explained that Lindy's setup equipped him with the best/quickest ways to get through his decisions he's handing off to his passers. Well, guess who recruited Andrew Luck to keep him ahead of the curve to stay? Luck did well when they changed HCs and went with more TEs as well. Harbaugh was also the first NFL coach to change the fortune/direction of Alex Smith (with passer ratings finally exceeding 90) prior to tapping the best football Kaepernick had at least early on. He's doing some good things for Michigan's passing game as well. As much as I hate typing this, Michigan may soon be an ideal program to look to for a QB with all the right training for the NFL game. What I did enjoy typing about that is Lindy Infante's QB/passing game criteria is a big reason for it.
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