what we really need here again is a stud offensive tackle or a new cornerback
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Zombo said:
Needs
#1 QB
#2 Interior Linemen
#3 Secondary
#4 Pass rushing specialist
And yes, there are ton of others as well.
#2 and #3 ... are easy to do ... you draft guys that are better than the ones we got. We can do better than Erving easily and replace Greco with a draft pick as well. Drango in the mix with another year experience. Coleman can challenge Pasztor outside with another year of experience. The secondary ... you just gotta draft better. None of the four safeties that we interchange on a weekly basis have shown they are NFL starters yet. Williams needs replaced and we need to get our hands on a young stud corner.
#1and #4 ... Huge needs, but not easy to get it right. You can draft QBs and pass rushers all day, doens't mean you are going to get a game-changer. We drafted a QB in the third round and three pass rushers in the top four rounds, no reason to think they will be elite. This is where those two first round picks come in. We need a superstar on each side of the bar. I can't say for sure we will find them this year, I know people are down on the QBs, but we have to find them eventually.
Zombo
Hear what you say. On #1....get Trubisky. I mean....he seems the complete package and while maybe a couple of defenders may be considered better overall prospects....you need to get that QB...and get the best one you can.
On #2...Jesus, Mary, and Joseph I hate having to go OC with another 1st rounder after having taken Erving just last year. But it is a must. Can we wait til round 2? I think we can, what with Elflein, Pocic and Mason out there we can get one at the top of round 2.
Then what do we do about the defense? We may have pick #10 to 19 with the Eagles, plus somewhere around 45-47 in round 2, plus @#65.
All need to be defense. In round one if you want to go pass rush....Tim Williams of Alabama may work. Or Derek Bennett of Vandy.
Or if you want a DB....Teez Tabor Fla, or Jamal Adams LSU.
In mid 2d round: Adoree Jackson USC at CB, or Taco Charlton DE of Mich?
Doesn't it suck to have the draft be the focus of conversation on this board on Thanksgiving. What else do we have to look at? Certainly not the current play of the Browns.
Hear what you say. On #1....get Trubisky. I mean....he seems the complete package and while maybe a couple of defenders may be considered better overall prospects....you need to get that QB...and get the best one you can.
On #2...Jesus, Mary, and Joseph I hate having to go OC with another 1st rounder after having taken Erving just last year. But it is a must. Can we wait til round 2? I think we can, what with Elflein, Pocic and Mason out there we can get one at the top of round 2.
Then what do we do about the defense? We may have pick #10 to 19 with the Eagles, plus somewhere around 45-47 in round 2, plus @#65.
All need to be defense. In round one if you want to go pass rush....Tim Williams of Alabama may work. Or Derek Bennett of Vandy.
Or if you want a DB....Teez Tabor Fla, or Jamal Adams LSU.
In mid 2d round: Adoree Jackson USC at CB, or Taco Charlton DE of Mich?
Doesn't it suck to have the draft be the focus of conversation on this board on Thanksgiving. What else do we have to look at? Certainly not the current play of the Browns.
Can't really comment on those guys, I don't catch enough college football. I've seen Trub play for maybe a minute and a half. When the season is over I'll start reading scouting reports ... Just know what we need.
Z
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I would trade Erving in the offseason for a bucket of cow shit.
At least when the shit hits the ground, it will be serving a purpose.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
How could we not find a serviceable center in FA? How did we go into this season with no real back up plan for that position?
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I would trade Erving in the offseason for a bucket of cow shit.
At least when the shit hits the ground, it will be serving a purpose.
I would trade Erving in the offseason for a bucket of cow shit.
At least when the shit hits the ground, it will be serving a purpose.
Why would you wait for the offseason?
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I would trade Erving in the offseason for a bucket of cow shit.
At least when the shit hits the ground, it will be serving a purpose.
Why would you wait for the offseason?
Why would you wait for the offseason?
I believe the trading deadline has passed.
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based on some of the things Ive heard from Hue lately, I see another year of Cam.....this time at OT......
so.....Im putting my money on Paztor - Coleman - Erving as our right end next year.....erg
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based on some of the things Ive heard from Hue lately, I see another year of Cam.....this time at OT......
so.....Im putting my money on Paztor - Coleman - Erving as our right end next year.....erg
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based on some of the things Ive heard from Hue lately, I see another year of Cam.....this time at OT......
so.....Im putting my money on Paztor - Coleman - Erving as our right end next year.....erg
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I don't want us to draft OT next yr.. Paz is doing great, and we already invested in Coleman last draft.
C Reiter may be OK. Can we just have Erving miss the team bus all next season, we'll do better without him
But we still need G, because Greco is done
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Greco isn't done, Paz isn't 'doing great' (better) and I'm not going to put any faith in a center coming off massive injury after one decent outing.
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I don't want us to draft OT next yr.. Paz is doing great, and we already invested in Coleman last draft.
C Reiter may be OK. Can we just have Erving miss the team bus all next season, we'll do better without him
But we still need G, because Greco is done
No, Paz isn't doing great. . .I don't want us to draft OT next yr.. Paz is doing great, and we already invested in Coleman last draft.
C Reiter may be OK. Can we just have Erving miss the team bus all next season, we'll do better without him
But we still need G, because Greco is done
Most total pressures + sacks allowed (through Wk 11)
Barksdale 34.5
C.Clark 34.5
Pasztor 33.5
Castonzo 31
Reiff 31
Ogbuehi 30.5
Free 30
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Incorrect.
Per PFF, Pazstor has been the #1RT in the league since week 4, and the #9 overall OT.
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Incorrect.
Per PFF, Pazstor has been the #1RT in the league since week 4, and the #9 overall OT.
And yet the majority of the sacks and QB pressure come from the right side of the OL to the center position.Incorrect.
Per PFF, Pazstor has been the #1RT in the league since week 4, and the #9 overall OT.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Two different mock drafts have the Browns taking Myles Garrett DE Texas A&M, the best player in the draft and at #16 Zach Cunningham ILB Vanderbilt
Take the best players and stop trading for picks is the only way to get back on track
I honestly think we can get a QB in the second-third round or wait until next year. Hue wasted this year's draft and the whole season!
DAMN THE TORPEDOES! FULL SPEED AHEAD! -
Two different mock drafts have the Browns taking Myles Garrett DE Texas A&M, the best player in the draft and at #16 Zach Cunningham ILB Vanderbilt
Take the best players and stop trading for picks is the only way to get back on track
I honestly think we can get a QB in the second-third round or wait until next year. Hue wasted this year's draft and the whole season!
Two different mock drafts have the Browns taking Myles Garrett DE Texas A&M, the best player in the draft and at #16 Zach Cunningham ILB Vanderbilt
Take the best players and stop trading for picks is the only way to get back on track
I honestly think we can get a QB in the second-third round or wait until next year. Hue wasted this year's draft and the whole season!
We've tried the third round approach before. Frye, McCoy, and now Kessler. Of course, we've busted spectacularly in the first with We-done, Quinn, and Manziel. A few FAs that didn't work out either. MHO is sure you can get lucky with a Carr (who we probably should have taken instead of Manziel). Think Derek would have survived behind our sieve o-line, and having Pryor as his only target? It's time to stop messing around and go for the pick of the litter. We're way overdue to get the QB position right.
I doubt the majority of fans are going to have a "wait till 2018" approach to drafting a qb. Sure, Wentz has cooled off of late- but he still has the look of a franchise qb. If the Browns pull a 2016 and trade out of our potential #1 overall pick- I might throw stuff at the TV.
Sure having Garret would be nice- but franchise QB trumps stud pass rusher. We're not going to get both, unless the FO has learned form their scouting mistakes. Quantity is not better than quality.
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No, Paz isn't doing great. . .I don't want us to draft OT next yr.. Paz is doing great, and we already invested in Coleman last draft.
C Reiter may be OK. Can we just have Erving miss the team bus all next season, we'll do better without him
But we still need G, because Greco is done
Most total pressures + sacks allowed (through Wk 11)
Barksdale 34.5
C.Clark 34.5
Pasztor 33.5
Castonzo 31
Reiff 31
Ogbuehi 30.5
Free 30
No, Paz isn't doing great. . .
Most total pressures + sacks allowed (through Wk 11)
Barksdale 34.5
C.Clark 34.5
Pasztor 33.5
Castonzo 31
Reiff 31
Ogbuehi 30.5
Free 30
How well did Mitch Schwartz pass protect his first couple years here starting when we'd put in an inexperienced QB or has been/never been prone to holding onto the ball too long? Before he became so widely adored - there was a time a lot of our fans weren't willing to be fair to him or the situation around him at all. And here we go again.
There was a time THIS year when Crow averaged over 6 yards a carry for a stretch of about 4 games. Let's try to refrain from many of the same premature conclusions people had about Schwartz back when he had unreliability to his immediate left and we could only run off the right side of his fanny with our any of previous former practice squad RBs from the Houston Texans.
I see Free on that list as well after the previous starting QB in Dallas followed up 2 consecutive broken collar bones with a serious back injury leading to a rookie QB starting there in 2016. Before Romo turned 35 his body could handle buying more time for improvise in the pocket so now they have a well built rookie doing this to add great balance to an ideal running game. Just out of curiosity, when Prescott is buying more time or escaping the pocket to his right so the coming off the right tackle finally hurries the throw - is there a time limit on this hurrying the QB stat? Who set this criteria?
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Two different mock drafts have the Browns taking Myles Garrett DE Texas A&M, the best player in the draft and at #16 Zach Cunningham ILB Vanderbilt
Take the best players and stop trading for picks is the only way to get back on track
I honestly think we can get a QB in the second-third round or wait until next year. Hue wasted this year's draft and the whole season!
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No, Paz isn't doing great. . .
Most total pressures + sacks allowed (through Wk 11)
Barksdale 34.5
C.Clark 34.5
Pasztor 33.5
Castonzo 31
Reiff 31
Ogbuehi 30.5
Free 30
How well did Mitch Schwartz pass protect his first couple years here starting when we'd put in an inexperienced QB or has been/never been prone to holding onto the ball too long? Before he became so widely adored - there was a time a lot of our fans weren't willing to be fair to him or the situation around him at all. And here we go again.
There was a time THIS year when Crow averaged over 6 yards a carry for a stretch of about 4 games. Let's try to refrain from many of the same premature conclusions people had about Schwartz back when he had unreliability to his immediate left and we could only run off the right side of his fanny with our any of previous former practice squad RBs from the Houston Texans.
I see Free on that list as well after the previous starting QB in Dallas followed up 2 consecutive broken collar bones with a serious back injury leading to a rookie QB starting there in 2016. Before Romo turned 35 his body could handle buying more time for improvise in the pocket so now they have a well built rookie doing this to add great balance to an ideal running game. Just out of curiosity, when Prescott is buying more time or escaping the pocket to his right so the coming off the right tackle finally hurries the throw - is there a time limit on this hurrying the QB stat? Who set this criteria?
I don't see the reason for comparing Schwartz with Pasztor other than they are both play RT.How well did Mitch Schwartz pass protect his first couple years here starting when we'd put in an inexperienced QB or has been/never been prone to holding onto the ball too long? Before he became so widely adored - there was a time a lot of our fans weren't willing to be fair to him or the situation around him at all. And here we go again.
There was a time THIS year when Crow averaged over 6 yards a carry for a stretch of about 4 games. Let's try to refrain from many of the same premature conclusions people had about Schwartz back when he had unreliability to his immediate left and we could only run off the right side of his fanny with our any of previous former practice squad RBs from the Houston Texans.
I see Free on that list as well after the previous starting QB in Dallas followed up 2 consecutive broken collar bones with a serious back injury leading to a rookie QB starting there in 2016. Before Romo turned 35 his body could handle buying more time for improvise in the pocket so now they have a well built rookie doing this to add great balance to an ideal running game. Just out of curiosity, when Prescott is buying more time or escaping the pocket to his right so the coming off the right tackle finally hurries the throw - is there a time limit on this hurrying the QB stat? Who set this criteria?
We drafted Mitch, and without surprise there is a learning curve when it comes to playing in the NFL so that was expected.
Austin is on his 3rd NFL team since 2012, so he's hardly a rookie...and he might be a few things but "great" isn't one of them.
To be fair, our biggest gap on the OL comes from wherever Erving lines up, he's just not NFL caliber.
The stats I posted were from Gil Brandt, a 30 year Director of Player Personnel with Dallas (I follow him on Twitter).
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And yet the majority of the sacks and QB pressure come from the right side of the OL to the center position.Incorrect.
Per PFF, Pazstor has been the #1RT in the league since week 4, and the #9 overall OT.
And yet the majority of the sacks and QB pressure come from the right side of the OL to the center position.
While true CD - is this really brand new considering how many consecutive Pro Bowls Joe Thomas has frequented for his excellence in pass pro on the blind side of QB?
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And yet the majority of the sacks and QB pressure come from the right side of the OL to the center position.
While true CD - is this really brand new considering how many consecutive Pro Bowls Joe Thomas has frequented for his excellence in pass pro on the blind side of QB?
I get it Flugs, my criticism isn't aimed so much at at one player when the body of work for the entire team is so pathetic.While true CD - is this really brand new considering how many consecutive Pro Bowls Joe Thomas has frequented for his excellence in pass pro on the blind side of QB?
It's more of an indictment of the FO.
I can't type as eloquently as Mud, but his latest rant of the Browns FO nailed it.
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