Could Hue be one and done?
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Who will be the one to call the Haslam out? The suck starts with him
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Cleveland fan for life?I will be done with browns football. I cant watch another restart. I cant do it. Because it basically ensures another 1-2 win season if not another o-16.
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Cleveland fan for life?
Cant be if they keep one and done'ing coaches. Im supposed to sit and watch yearly scheme and personnel changes in the hopes that this highly touted d3 high school coach is the next big thing?
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Who will be the one to call the Haslam out? The suck starts with him
Who will be the one to call the Haslam out? The suck starts with him
true, hue has no talent to work with yet is taking all of the accountability.....
it's not his fault he has a close to 40 year old journeyman, no o-line, and a bunch of undrafted free agents and rookies to work with.
let's see how it plays out because we need to get a solid core of blue chip playmakers in the next couple drafts. no trading down to the bottom of the first round or second round the next two years.... take the best player available.
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few thoughts
1) far as gabriel its not like he ever did anything here so not so sure can blame that 1 on browns
2) HUE- i agree cant keep starting over but at same time i find funny how people have basically complain coach after coach fire him but hue goes 0-12 most want keep him
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Hue blows. What's the gold star on his resume? Couldn't get a PB QB to play up to a level to make it 2 games into the post season ever? Tying your wagon to marvin lewis or getting canned in oakland when they realized what they hired? Pederson in philly walked into a team in redeuz and looks pretty good doing it with a rookie signal caller and we got S. H. I. T.
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Oh and btw, i love the nonchalant attitude of everyone involved in the org that 'we don't care about winning this season' as this team is breaking franchise and long-storied nfl records for suckage. Love the browns but who wants to be the guy in the club house shitter talking proudly of sticking by the all-time worse football team in history? It's like you bragging that you threw a counle of hundred down on Skin The Cat as Secretariat goes across the line winning by ten lenghts.
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Who will be the one to call the Haslam out? The suck starts with him
true, hue has no talent to work with yet is taking all of the accountability.....
it's not his fault he has a close to 40 year old journeyman, no o-line, and a bunch of undrafted free agents and rookies to work with.
let's see how it plays out because we need to get a solid core of blue chip playmakers in the next couple drafts. no trading down to the bottom of the first round or second round the next two years.... take the best player available.
I agree with you but we still have the same GM making the picks that we have had the past few years.true, hue has no talent to work with yet is taking all of the accountability.....
it's not his fault he has a close to 40 year old journeyman, no o-line, and a bunch of undrafted free agents and rookies to work with.
let's see how it plays out because we need to get a solid core of blue chip playmakers in the next couple drafts. no trading down to the bottom of the first round or second round the next two years.... take the best player available.
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Oh and btw, i love the nonchalant attitude of everyone involved in the org that 'we don't care about winning this season' as this team is breaking franchise and long-storied nfl records for suckage. Love the browns but who wants to be the guy in the club house shitter talking proudly of sticking by the all-time worse football team in history? It's like you bragging that you threw a counle of hundred down on Skin The Cat as Secretariat goes across the line winning by ten lenghts.
Oh and btw, i love the nonchalant attitude of everyone involved in the org that 'we don't care about winning this season' as this team is breaking franchise and long-storied nfl records for suckage. Love the browns but who wants to be the guy in the club house shitter talking proudly of sticking by the all-time worse football team in history? It's like you bragging that you threw a counle of hundred down on Skin The Cat as Secretariat goes across the line winning by ten lenghts.
What's he supposed to say? "Yeah we wanted at least 5 wins from Hue because we like the number 5 and it's a good number, if he doesn't get them he's fired" or "I don't understand why we're not in the playoffs, we're so great and all our players should be pro bowlers" or "Honestly we knew we wouldn't be in the playoffs and this year won't be judged on wins and losses"
Which one seems reasonable? Which seems deluded? Which applies unnecessary additional pressure?
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I agree with you but we still have the same GM making the picks that we have had the past few years.true, hue has no talent to work with yet is taking all of the accountability.....
it's not his fault he has a close to 40 year old journeyman, no o-line, and a bunch of undrafted free agents and rookies to work with.
let's see how it plays out because we need to get a solid core of blue chip playmakers in the next couple drafts. no trading down to the bottom of the first round or second round the next two years.... take the best player available.
I agree with you but we still have the same GM making the picks that we have had the past few years.
We still have Ray Farmer making the picks?
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I agree with you but we still have the same GM making the picks that we have had the past few years.
We still have Ray Farmer making the picks?
We still have Ray Farmer making the picks?
Haslam has been the common thread in all our picks. It's pretty common knowledge around here that he is and has been our GM. Joe Jones called him the Dollar General store version of Jerry Jones. Remember, Jimmy and Dee Dee are half the Gm quadrafuck we have going on.
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We still have Ray Farmer making the picks?
Haslam has been the common thread in all our picks. It's pretty common knowledge around here that he is and has been our GM. Joe Jones called him the Dollar General store version of Jerry Jones. Remember, Jimmy and Dee Dee are half the Gm quadrafuck we have going on.
Haslam has been the common thread in all our picks. It's pretty common knowledge around here that he is and has been our GM. Joe Jones called him the Dollar General store version of Jerry Jones. Remember, Jimmy and Dee Dee are half the Gm quadrafuck we have going on.
I'm not completely sold on him interfering any more to be honest. I can't see guys like Sashi and DePodesta signing on - and Sashi with full knowledge of the situation - if there was going to be any shenanigans from up top. I think (read: I hope) Jimmy learned his lesson from Johnny 'bums on seats' Manziel and the Hobo and doesn't require our brain trust to 'make a splash' so to speak.
But it wouldn't shock me to find out it's still the case, for sure.
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Hue and the whole front office needs to go. It can't get any worse then it is.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Haslam has been the common thread in all our picks. It's pretty common knowledge around here that he is and has been our GM. Joe Jones called him the Dollar General store version of Jerry Jones. Remember, Jimmy and Dee Dee are half the Gm quadrafuck we have going on.
I'm not completely sold on him interfering any more to be honest. I can't see guys like Sashi and DePodesta signing on - and Sashi with full knowledge of the situation - if there was going to be any shenanigans from up top. I think (read: I hope) Jimmy learned his lesson from Johnny 'bums on seats' Manziel and the Hobo and doesn't require our brain trust to 'make a splash' so to speak.
But it wouldn't shock me to find out it's still the case, for sure.
Stosh and the Pud are purely numbers guys. Neither one has any qualifier's to pick NFL talent. Sure there's a scouting team out there but when it comes down to crunch time...JIMMY!I'm not completely sold on him interfering any more to be honest. I can't see guys like Sashi and DePodesta signing on - and Sashi with full knowledge of the situation - if there was going to be any shenanigans from up top. I think (read: I hope) Jimmy learned his lesson from Johnny 'bums on seats' Manziel and the Hobo and doesn't require our brain trust to 'make a splash' so to speak.
But it wouldn't shock me to find out it's still the case, for sure.
If you look at things like Jimmy being in charge of talent for the past 3 years, it all makes sense. He cannot judge talent for shit but sure wants to keep meddling.
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Hue and the whole front office needs to go. It can't get any worse then it is.
Bet it can get worse. We said the same things years ago and it never started uphill. Just more downHue and the whole front office needs to go. It can't get any worse then it is.
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Don't see how it can get worse then what we have now. Palmer would be better then Hue. The guy is terrible. Sashi needs his dumb ass out also along with anyone else hired with Hue.
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Stosh and the Pud are purely numbers guys. Neither one has any qualifier's to pick NFL talent. Sure there's a scouting team out there but when it comes down to crunch time...JIMMY!I'm not completely sold on him interfering any more to be honest. I can't see guys like Sashi and DePodesta signing on - and Sashi with full knowledge of the situation - if there was going to be any shenanigans from up top. I think (read: I hope) Jimmy learned his lesson from Johnny 'bums on seats' Manziel and the Hobo and doesn't require our brain trust to 'make a splash' so to speak.
But it wouldn't shock me to find out it's still the case, for sure.
If you look at things like Jimmy being in charge of talent for the past 3 years, it all makes sense. He cannot judge talent for shit but sure wants to keep meddling.
Stosh and the Pud are purely numbers guys. Neither one has any qualifier's to pick NFL talent. Sure there's a scouting team out there but when it comes down to crunch time...JIMMY!
If you look at things like Jimmy being in charge of talent for the past 3 years, it all makes sense. He cannot judge talent for shit but sure wants to keep meddling.
There's a scouting team, a vastly experienced coaching team, talent evaluators, and then one guy (Sashi) who brings all of the information together to get a consensus of the best players/fits. I've never understood this need for the GM to be a supreme talent evaluator, the guy is going to spend so much of his time churning the roster that he's not going to ever really have much time to do his scouting, and even if he does it won't be on all 350 or so college guys and the hundreds of NFL free agents every year, so he's for sure going to need to lean on his scouts very heavily anyway.
If anything, it's probably a good thing that you don't have someone at the top who is driven by ego and will disregard the scouting advice and just go with one man's opinion (hi Ray Farmer, Mike Holmgren, Mike Lombardi...)
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Stosh and the Pud are purely numbers guys. Neither one has any qualifier's to pick NFL talent. Sure there's a scouting team out there but when it comes down to crunch time...JIMMY!
If you look at things like Jimmy being in charge of talent for the past 3 years, it all makes sense. He cannot judge talent for shit but sure wants to keep meddling.
There's a scouting team, a vastly experienced coaching team, talent evaluators, and then one guy (Sashi) who brings all of the information together to get a consensus of the best players/fits. I've never understood this need for the GM to be a supreme talent evaluator, the guy is going to spend so much of his time churning the roster that he's not going to ever really have much time to do his scouting, and even if he does it won't be on all 350 or so college guys and the hundreds of NFL free agents every year, so he's for sure going to need to lean on his scouts very heavily anyway.
If anything, it's probably a good thing that you don't have someone at the top who is driven by ego and will disregard the scouting advice and just go with one man's opinion (hi Ray Farmer, Mike Holmgren, Mike Lombardi...)
Like Polian?There's a scouting team, a vastly experienced coaching team, talent evaluators, and then one guy (Sashi) who brings all of the information together to get a consensus of the best players/fits. I've never understood this need for the GM to be a supreme talent evaluator, the guy is going to spend so much of his time churning the roster that he's not going to ever really have much time to do his scouting, and even if he does it won't be on all 350 or so college guys and the hundreds of NFL free agents every year, so he's for sure going to need to lean on his scouts very heavily anyway.
If anything, it's probably a good thing that you don't have someone at the top who is driven by ego and will disregard the scouting advice and just go with one man's opinion (hi Ray Farmer, Mike Holmgren, Mike Lombardi...)
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OK, we have no supreme talent evaluator. No supreme talent either. Coincidence? I think not
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OK, we have no supreme talent evaluator. No supreme talent either. Coincidence? I think not
OK, we have no supreme talent evaluator. No supreme talent either. Coincidence? I think not
We've had a 'supreme talent evaluator' for 17 seasons since coming back in to the league. Clearly, Jimmy Haslam made a huge mistake breaking from that structure which had heralded an unprecedented dynasty of a football team, winning back to back super bowls and looking to three-peat this year. He was stupid to look to do something slightly different to what we'd been doing every year for 17 years because it was obviously working so, so well.
For every Polian, there is a Farmer, a Holmgren, a Lombardi, a Kokinis, a Heckert...
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At least Randy tried to hire good football people. But now when it comes down to pick or no pick on draft day, we have a baseball number cruncher, an Ivy league number cruncher, Dee and Jimmy as fan ball crunchers.
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