Could Hue be one and done?
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Oh and btw, i love the nonchalant attitude of everyone involved in the org that 'we don't care about winning this season' as this team is breaking franchise and long-storied nfl records for suckage. Love the browns but who wants to be the guy in the club house shitter talking proudly of sticking by the all-time worse football team in history? It's like you bragging that you threw a counle of hundred down on Skin The Cat as Secretariat goes across the line winning by ten lenghts.
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Who will be the one to call the Haslam out? The suck starts with him
true, hue has no talent to work with yet is taking all of the accountability.....
it's not his fault he has a close to 40 year old journeyman, no o-line, and a bunch of undrafted free agents and rookies to work with.
let's see how it plays out because we need to get a solid core of blue chip playmakers in the next couple drafts. no trading down to the bottom of the first round or second round the next two years.... take the best player available.
I agree with you but we still have the same GM making the picks that we have had the past few years.true, hue has no talent to work with yet is taking all of the accountability.....
it's not his fault he has a close to 40 year old journeyman, no o-line, and a bunch of undrafted free agents and rookies to work with.
let's see how it plays out because we need to get a solid core of blue chip playmakers in the next couple drafts. no trading down to the bottom of the first round or second round the next two years.... take the best player available.
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Oh and btw, i love the nonchalant attitude of everyone involved in the org that 'we don't care about winning this season' as this team is breaking franchise and long-storied nfl records for suckage. Love the browns but who wants to be the guy in the club house shitter talking proudly of sticking by the all-time worse football team in history? It's like you bragging that you threw a counle of hundred down on Skin The Cat as Secretariat goes across the line winning by ten lenghts.
Oh and btw, i love the nonchalant attitude of everyone involved in the org that 'we don't care about winning this season' as this team is breaking franchise and long-storied nfl records for suckage. Love the browns but who wants to be the guy in the club house shitter talking proudly of sticking by the all-time worse football team in history? It's like you bragging that you threw a counle of hundred down on Skin The Cat as Secretariat goes across the line winning by ten lenghts.
What's he supposed to say? "Yeah we wanted at least 5 wins from Hue because we like the number 5 and it's a good number, if he doesn't get them he's fired" or "I don't understand why we're not in the playoffs, we're so great and all our players should be pro bowlers" or "Honestly we knew we wouldn't be in the playoffs and this year won't be judged on wins and losses"
Which one seems reasonable? Which seems deluded? Which applies unnecessary additional pressure?
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I agree with you but we still have the same GM making the picks that we have had the past few years.true, hue has no talent to work with yet is taking all of the accountability.....
it's not his fault he has a close to 40 year old journeyman, no o-line, and a bunch of undrafted free agents and rookies to work with.
let's see how it plays out because we need to get a solid core of blue chip playmakers in the next couple drafts. no trading down to the bottom of the first round or second round the next two years.... take the best player available.
I agree with you but we still have the same GM making the picks that we have had the past few years.
We still have Ray Farmer making the picks?
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I agree with you but we still have the same GM making the picks that we have had the past few years.
We still have Ray Farmer making the picks?
We still have Ray Farmer making the picks?
Haslam has been the common thread in all our picks. It's pretty common knowledge around here that he is and has been our GM. Joe Jones called him the Dollar General store version of Jerry Jones. Remember, Jimmy and Dee Dee are half the Gm quadrafuck we have going on.
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We still have Ray Farmer making the picks?
Haslam has been the common thread in all our picks. It's pretty common knowledge around here that he is and has been our GM. Joe Jones called him the Dollar General store version of Jerry Jones. Remember, Jimmy and Dee Dee are half the Gm quadrafuck we have going on.
Haslam has been the common thread in all our picks. It's pretty common knowledge around here that he is and has been our GM. Joe Jones called him the Dollar General store version of Jerry Jones. Remember, Jimmy and Dee Dee are half the Gm quadrafuck we have going on.
I'm not completely sold on him interfering any more to be honest. I can't see guys like Sashi and DePodesta signing on - and Sashi with full knowledge of the situation - if there was going to be any shenanigans from up top. I think (read: I hope) Jimmy learned his lesson from Johnny 'bums on seats' Manziel and the Hobo and doesn't require our brain trust to 'make a splash' so to speak.
But it wouldn't shock me to find out it's still the case, for sure.
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Hue and the whole front office needs to go. It can't get any worse then it is.
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Haslam has been the common thread in all our picks. It's pretty common knowledge around here that he is and has been our GM. Joe Jones called him the Dollar General store version of Jerry Jones. Remember, Jimmy and Dee Dee are half the Gm quadrafuck we have going on.
I'm not completely sold on him interfering any more to be honest. I can't see guys like Sashi and DePodesta signing on - and Sashi with full knowledge of the situation - if there was going to be any shenanigans from up top. I think (read: I hope) Jimmy learned his lesson from Johnny 'bums on seats' Manziel and the Hobo and doesn't require our brain trust to 'make a splash' so to speak.
But it wouldn't shock me to find out it's still the case, for sure.
Stosh and the Pud are purely numbers guys. Neither one has any qualifier's to pick NFL talent. Sure there's a scouting team out there but when it comes down to crunch time...JIMMY!I'm not completely sold on him interfering any more to be honest. I can't see guys like Sashi and DePodesta signing on - and Sashi with full knowledge of the situation - if there was going to be any shenanigans from up top. I think (read: I hope) Jimmy learned his lesson from Johnny 'bums on seats' Manziel and the Hobo and doesn't require our brain trust to 'make a splash' so to speak.
But it wouldn't shock me to find out it's still the case, for sure.
If you look at things like Jimmy being in charge of talent for the past 3 years, it all makes sense. He cannot judge talent for shit but sure wants to keep meddling.
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Hue and the whole front office needs to go. It can't get any worse then it is.
Bet it can get worse. We said the same things years ago and it never started uphill. Just more downHue and the whole front office needs to go. It can't get any worse then it is.
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Don't see how it can get worse then what we have now. Palmer would be better then Hue. The guy is terrible. Sashi needs his dumb ass out also along with anyone else hired with Hue.
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Stosh and the Pud are purely numbers guys. Neither one has any qualifier's to pick NFL talent. Sure there's a scouting team out there but when it comes down to crunch time...JIMMY!I'm not completely sold on him interfering any more to be honest. I can't see guys like Sashi and DePodesta signing on - and Sashi with full knowledge of the situation - if there was going to be any shenanigans from up top. I think (read: I hope) Jimmy learned his lesson from Johnny 'bums on seats' Manziel and the Hobo and doesn't require our brain trust to 'make a splash' so to speak.
But it wouldn't shock me to find out it's still the case, for sure.
If you look at things like Jimmy being in charge of talent for the past 3 years, it all makes sense. He cannot judge talent for shit but sure wants to keep meddling.
Stosh and the Pud are purely numbers guys. Neither one has any qualifier's to pick NFL talent. Sure there's a scouting team out there but when it comes down to crunch time...JIMMY!
If you look at things like Jimmy being in charge of talent for the past 3 years, it all makes sense. He cannot judge talent for shit but sure wants to keep meddling.
There's a scouting team, a vastly experienced coaching team, talent evaluators, and then one guy (Sashi) who brings all of the information together to get a consensus of the best players/fits. I've never understood this need for the GM to be a supreme talent evaluator, the guy is going to spend so much of his time churning the roster that he's not going to ever really have much time to do his scouting, and even if he does it won't be on all 350 or so college guys and the hundreds of NFL free agents every year, so he's for sure going to need to lean on his scouts very heavily anyway.
If anything, it's probably a good thing that you don't have someone at the top who is driven by ego and will disregard the scouting advice and just go with one man's opinion (hi Ray Farmer, Mike Holmgren, Mike Lombardi...)
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Stosh and the Pud are purely numbers guys. Neither one has any qualifier's to pick NFL talent. Sure there's a scouting team out there but when it comes down to crunch time...JIMMY!
If you look at things like Jimmy being in charge of talent for the past 3 years, it all makes sense. He cannot judge talent for shit but sure wants to keep meddling.
There's a scouting team, a vastly experienced coaching team, talent evaluators, and then one guy (Sashi) who brings all of the information together to get a consensus of the best players/fits. I've never understood this need for the GM to be a supreme talent evaluator, the guy is going to spend so much of his time churning the roster that he's not going to ever really have much time to do his scouting, and even if he does it won't be on all 350 or so college guys and the hundreds of NFL free agents every year, so he's for sure going to need to lean on his scouts very heavily anyway.
If anything, it's probably a good thing that you don't have someone at the top who is driven by ego and will disregard the scouting advice and just go with one man's opinion (hi Ray Farmer, Mike Holmgren, Mike Lombardi...)
Like Polian?There's a scouting team, a vastly experienced coaching team, talent evaluators, and then one guy (Sashi) who brings all of the information together to get a consensus of the best players/fits. I've never understood this need for the GM to be a supreme talent evaluator, the guy is going to spend so much of his time churning the roster that he's not going to ever really have much time to do his scouting, and even if he does it won't be on all 350 or so college guys and the hundreds of NFL free agents every year, so he's for sure going to need to lean on his scouts very heavily anyway.
If anything, it's probably a good thing that you don't have someone at the top who is driven by ego and will disregard the scouting advice and just go with one man's opinion (hi Ray Farmer, Mike Holmgren, Mike Lombardi...)
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OK, we have no supreme talent evaluator. No supreme talent either. Coincidence? I think not
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OK, we have no supreme talent evaluator. No supreme talent either. Coincidence? I think not
OK, we have no supreme talent evaluator. No supreme talent either. Coincidence? I think not
We've had a 'supreme talent evaluator' for 17 seasons since coming back in to the league. Clearly, Jimmy Haslam made a huge mistake breaking from that structure which had heralded an unprecedented dynasty of a football team, winning back to back super bowls and looking to three-peat this year. He was stupid to look to do something slightly different to what we'd been doing every year for 17 years because it was obviously working so, so well.
For every Polian, there is a Farmer, a Holmgren, a Lombardi, a Kokinis, a Heckert...
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At least Randy tried to hire good football people. But now when it comes down to pick or no pick on draft day, we have a baseball number cruncher, an Ivy league number cruncher, Dee and Jimmy as fan ball crunchers.
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If they fire a coach after the first year of a build when they've let every single veteran worth a shit walk and given him absolutely nothing to work with I cant support the team anymore
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If they fire a coach after the first year of a build when they've let every single veteran worth a shit walk and given him absolutely nothing to work with I cant support the team anymore
If they fire a coach after the first year of a build when they've let every single veteran worth a shit walk and given him absolutely nothing to work with I cant support the team anymore
Keep the coach. Fire the owners
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Haslam is going to do what haslam wants he does not care about Cleveland the team the fans or the coaches he cares about one thing money and if he can still make massive profits he will continue to do so dispite the losing the team has almost tripled in value so it's a toss up what he will do what it comes down to is that the browns will not get better till the fan stop going and stop buying merchandise
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If they fire a coach after the first year of a build when they've let every single veteran worth a shit walk and given him absolutely nothing to work with I cant support the team anymore
If they fire a coach after the first year of a build when they've let every single veteran worth a shit walk and given him absolutely nothing to work with I cant support the team anymore
Why is it we're seemingly in the minority here that understand this?
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No, he'll be back. I think the original poster asked the wrong question. The question SHOULD be, "How much of a second season does Hue get?" In other words, If he starts the season 0-6, is he gone? How much longer does the "we have no talent" excuse ride? Like I said in another post, how much better could a team like ours REALLY BE in one more year? We can't REALLY expect results. We have the youngest team...is that really going to change? I can tell you with almost 100% certainty that Jamie Collins will be gone. He doesn't want to be here, and who can blame the guy? Could we franchise him? Sure we could, but I think we'll be doing that with Pryor.
Hue will be back, but I'm not sure "how long the leash" will be in year two. I'm HOPING it's very long, because just firing somebody doesn't fix things. You have to hire somebody better, and who is THAT? I haven't loved everything Hue has done, and some of his play calling drives me nuts, but whatever. Here's to hoping we improve...
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