Call your shot. OSU VS UM
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Yet, they play a 60 minute game....not a 30 minute game. OSU has done this before.
But, note, here are some vital stats that may be telling:
First downs: OSU 23, Mich 16
Rush yards: OSU 246 Mich 118
Turnovers: OSU 1 Mich 3
You win the first down game, the rushing game by more than double, and the TO game....you win.
Also, 4th quarter time of possession:
OSU 11:07 Mich 3:53
You control the ball in the 4th quarter of a tight game...and you often come out on top.
Mich won the passing yards game: 219 to 124.
All I am saying is that so much for the theory that TUN dominated this game.
Overall time of possession was just about even.
Michigan dominated the 1st half, and were at worst even in the 3rd. We got gassed in the 4th.
But that calls back to not having the depth OSU does. Which calls back to it only being year 2 of Harbaugh and Meyer's head start.
If OSU needed 2 OT, at home, and controversial/incorrect ref calls to win, we're in a good spot going forward.
OSU didn't need your so-called ref calls, they only needed harbutt on the opposite sideline and a QB turning the ball over 3 times.Michigan dominated the 1st half, and were at worst even in the 3rd. We got gassed in the 4th.
But that calls back to not having the depth OSU does. Which calls back to it only being year 2 of Harbaugh and Meyer's head start.
If OSU needed 2 OT, at home, and controversial/incorrect ref calls to win, we're in a good spot going forward.
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Michigan dominated the 1st half, and were at worst even in the 3rd. We got gassed in the 4th.
But that calls back to not having the depth OSU does. Which calls back to it only being year 2 of Harbaugh and Meyer's head start.
If you were dominating the entire first half and some of the third qtr.....why would depth have anything to do with it. It is OSU that should have been getting gassed due to UMs time of possession, not the other way around.
If OSU needed 2 OT, at home, and controversial/incorrect ref calls to win, we're in a good spot going forward.
Except....you lose 17 starters...from what I understand. Where does that put you in relation to OSU. You had the far more experienced team.....with the less experienced team, you get what you had the last few year: an OSU romp.
Except....you lose 17 starters...from what I understand. Where does that put you in relation to OSU. You had the far more experienced team.....with the less experienced team, you get what you had the last few year: an OSU romp.
From what I gather, Ohio State only must lose 4 seniors: OC Pat Elflein, backup WRs Dontrel Wilson and Corey Smith...and their punter.
Others that could go include Barrett, Samuel, Hooker, Billy Price, Garreon Conley, Tyquan Lewis, Raekwon McMillan.
Hooke said he is staying. Barrett should stay. McMillan would likely be a first rounder...so he likely goes.
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True story: woody's Xbox 360 profile used to have a signature that said "Hoke > Meyer". He does not have the ability to be objective on this matter.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
True story: woody's Xbox 360 profile used to have a signature that said "Hoke > Meyer". He does not have the ability to be objective on this matter.
True story: woody's Xbox 360 profile used to have a signature that said "Hoke > Meyer". He does not have the ability to be objective on this matter.
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True story: woody's Xbox 360 profile used to have a signature that said "Hoke > Meyer". He does not have the ability to be objective on this matter.
True story: woody's Xbox 360 profile used to have a signature that said "Hoke > Meyer". He does not have the ability to be objective on this matter.
Started serious. Stayed as a joke.
Learned that Denard carried that team, and Hoke was in over his head.
But to act liken nothing I say on the topic matters, but you are all impartial, is fucking hilarious. I'm being perfectly damn reasonable and level headed. Again, if I am stating any facts that are incorrect, let me know.
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Due to a lack of better judgement, I am going to re-enter the thread and respond to all of Gipper's posts in one reply. I am sure, by the time I am done reading his responses, I am going to be in a state of disbelief and frustration. Here we go:
Except....you lose 17 starters...from what I understand. Where does that put you in relation to OSU. You had the far more experienced team.....with the less experienced team, you get what you had the last few year: an OSU romp.
We lose our starting HB, but have a pretty deep group there (they all got a lot of time). Both WRs (which hurts). #1 TE, which hurts. 3 OL. 3 DL, which hurts. MLB. 2 Cbs. 2 Ss. K/P. Add Peppers. That's 17. Definitely a sizable group.
What you have to understand though is these guys were all Hoke recruits. They spent 2 or 3 years being coached and developed by that staff, and that staff showed the inability to really develop many positions. A Sr(RS) OL leaving is a MUCH bigger loss if he's spent all 5 years with Harbaugh, than the situation we have now. Our OL was the weakest part of our team. Losing 3 Srs in the group looks much worse on paper than it actually is.
This all plays back to the depth and talent points I was making earlier. Which ties into Meyer being in year 5, and Harbaugh year 2. This is a Sr heavy team, that doesn't mean all of those seniors are very good. Many will be easily replaced by the recruits Harbaugh has brought in and developed.
2015 was a romp. Our DC was interviewing for Maryland that week and didn't show up at all to stop your O
2014 blew open in the 4th
2013 was a 1 pt win when our QB had a broken foot
2012 was a 5 pt win
Just sayin
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Even if UM improves their recruiting...they are still not doing better at it than Ohio St.
Based on what? Why would Michigan not be able to match OSU in recruiting?
If the talent level is so much better...then why was Harbaugh starting 17 seniors....guys he didn't recruit...over the younger guys he did recruit. [./quote]
Because there is something to be said for game experience and more time in a college weight room. A team full of Harbaugh recruits, coached up for 4+ years, will be better and have more depth tho. That's the point.
I agree he has coached them much better than the previous guy. I am just not sure your younger guys are any better than the guys you have leaving...pure talent wise.
You are only expecting...hoping that is the case in order to close the gap. You are simply being Dusty Springfield.
I know some on here don't like to admit it, but recruiting rankings do mean something. Even outside of that, we saw how much more these players progressed under Harbaugh than Hoke. It would stand to reason that, all else equal, a player with 4 years of Harbaugh's staff will be better than a player with 2 years in Harbaugh's staff.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
As for why your previous coaches were fired? They were losers (and more than just losing to OSU). Yes, Harbaugh is an upgrade there.....and yes, he isn't going to the NFL...not just yet. But it could happen before too much longer.
Rumors like the Indy job could start to float.
RRod came in as an outsider, and people within the program did not like that from the beginning. He was behind the eight ball with some to start. I wanted to keep he another year, because we were progressing as a team each year. We were obviously going to be terrible to start, because of the drastic change in play styles and empty cupboard he was working with. But, he also couldn't recruit defense, get a good defense out there, or hire a good DC. RRod is an offensive genius... but needed help on D.
The Hoke era was more an issue with our AD than Hoke, which we found out near the end. Hoke was in over his head. No one really "turned" on Hoke. They turned on Brandon. Or they had turned a while ago and instead became vocal about it.
Harbaugh is clearly an upgrade over both.
There were rumors about Harbaugh still going to Oakland even after it was being widely reported he was going to Michigan. NFL reporters just couldn't believe someone would leave the NFL for college.
Sure, Harbaugh could leave for the NFL. And Meyer could leave for ND. He isn't going to Indy this offseason....
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In what world does the street that Bo live on in Michigan have any fucking significance? You are the one that brought that up as one factor in your justification for why he wouldn't leave. And that is just as absurd. (You really didn't recognize my statement as being a joke? An absurdity...on the level of your "he lives on Bo's street" statement)
You clearly don't know much about Harbaugh. The man idolizes Bo. He walks the same path to work each day that Bo walks. He does the walk to Bo's grave each year. He dresses like him. He tries to embody him whenever he can. So yes, the fact he lives right where Bo used to does pplay a huge significance.
You said that Harbaugh's kids go to school where Bo's kids went to school. Well, hell my Dad went to school at the same school as Bo....does that mean I am going to get a job coaching at UM.
Another absurdity.
No. Harbaugh's kids go to school where HE used to go to school.
The "connection" in your quote literally makes no sense. If you want to admit you're purposely being absurd (an idiot) again, go for it. But it literally means nothing in the context of this conversation.
As for UM's best chance for the next few years: A. You had a senior laden experienced team...yet you got beat by the less experienced team. In the next couple of years it will continue to be OSU that has the more experienced...more talented....team.
I've already explained to you why counting the number of Sr's on our team, and assume we'll be down now because they're leaving, doesn't really make sense, is lazy, and shows a lack of understanding for the situation. I've already told you that Harbaugh will be recruiting right at the same level of OSU. Very soon we'll have the same level of talent and depth.
I tried to do that all in one post but this site was NOT a fan
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Can't even begin to compare Hoke to Harbaugh. The latter is a lunatic, but he's a hell of a coach.
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True story: woody's Xbox 360 profile used to have a signature that said "Hoke > Meyer". He does not have the ability to be objective on this matter.
Started serious. Stayed as a joke.
Learned that Denard carried that team, and Hoke was in over his head.
But to act liken nothing I say on the topic matters, but you are all impartial, is fucking hilarious. I'm being perfectly damn reasonable and level headed. Again, if I am stating any facts that are incorrect, let me know.
Started serious. Stayed as a joke.
Learned that Denard carried that team, and Hoke was in over his head.
But to act liken nothing I say on the topic matters, but you are all impartial, is fucking hilarious. I'm being perfectly damn reasonable and level headed. Again, if I am stating any facts that are incorrect, let me know.
Did you feel line Jose Bautista and his "circumstances" comment was perfectly reasonable and level headed?
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In what world does the street that Bo live on in Michigan have any fucking significance? You are the one that brought that up as one factor in your justification for why he wouldn't leave. And that is just as absurd. (You really didn't recognize my statement as being a joke? An absurdity...on the level of your "he lives on Bo's street" statement)
You clearly don't know much about Harbaugh. The man idolizes Bo. He walks the same path to work each day that Bo walks. He does the walk to Bo's grave each year. He dresses like him. He tries to embody him whenever he can. So yes, the fact he lives right where Bo used to does pplay a huge significance.
You said that Harbaugh's kids go to school where Bo's kids went to school. Well, hell my Dad went to school at the same school as Bo....does that mean I am going to get a job coaching at UM.
Another absurdity.
No. Harbaugh's kids go to school where HE used to go to school.
The "connection" in your quote literally makes no sense. If you want to admit you're purposely being absurd (an idiot) again, go for it. But it literally means nothing in the context of this conversation.
As for UM's best chance for the next few years: A. You had a senior laden experienced team...yet you got beat by the less experienced team. In the next couple of years it will continue to be OSU that has the more experienced...more talented....team.
I've already explained to you why counting the number of Sr's on our team, and assume we'll be down now because they're leaving, doesn't really make sense, is lazy, and shows a lack of understanding for the situation. I've already told you that Harbaugh will be recruiting right at the same level of OSU. Very soon we'll have the same level of talent and depth.
I tried to do that all in one post but this site was NOT a fan
You clearly don't know much about Harbaugh. The man idolizes Bo. He walks the same path to work each day that Bo walks. He does the walk to Bo's grave each year. He dresses like him. He tries to embody him whenever he can. So yes, the fact he lives right where Bo used to does pplay a huge significance.
You said that Harbaugh's kids go to school where Bo's kids went to school. Well, hell my Dad went to school at the same school as Bo....does that mean I am going to get a job coaching at UM.
Another absurdity.
No. Harbaugh's kids go to school where HE used to go to school.
The "connection" in your quote literally makes no sense. If you want to admit you're purposely being absurd (an idiot) again, go for it. But it literally means nothing in the context of this conversation.
I've already explained to you why counting the number of Sr's on our team, and assume we'll be down now because they're leaving, doesn't really make sense, is lazy, and shows a lack of understanding for the situation. I've already told you that Harbaugh will be recruiting right at the same level of OSU. Very soon we'll have the same level of talent and depth.
I tried to do that all in one post but this site was NOT a fan
So which senior starters are you willing to call garbage that couldn't beat a couple of kids that were playing high school ball last year?
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
"Yeah it happens. So be it. The loss has been hanging out there for about three games waiting for someone to reach out and grab it and Penn state did. It is what it is. This is a team full of young guys and they'll get better. If Michigan manages to get in the playoffs I'll still hate them but I'll reluctantly root for them over Alabama."
This is what I commented when OSU lost to Penn state. Note how I didn't complain about refs or the fluky nature of the two blocked kicks and all that. That's reasonable and level headed. Taking away all the other shit blaming the refs, trying to paint them as corrupt and biased isn't level headed or fair. It's excuse making. Speight was mediocre. Michigan's rushing attack failed to materialize and their top ranked defense fell apart where Ohio State's held. That's all there is to it.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Can't even begin to compare Hoke to Harbaugh. The latter is a lunatic, but he's a hell of a coach.
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BTW chaps, am I being silly or are the OT rules different in college? As in, a TD did not cause the game to be over, as it would in the NFL?
I'll never really understand why there are such differences like that.
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Due to a lack of better judgement, I am going to re-enter the thread and respond to all of Gipper's posts in one reply. I am sure, by the time I am done reading his responses, I am going to be in a state of disbelief and frustration. Here we go:
Except....you lose 17 starters...from what I understand. Where does that put you in relation to OSU. You had the far more experienced team.....with the less experienced team, you get what you had the last few year: an OSU romp.
We lose our starting HB, but have a pretty deep group there (they all got a lot of time). Both WRs (which hurts). #1 TE, which hurts. 3 OL. 3 DL, which hurts. MLB. 2 Cbs. 2 Ss. K/P. Add Peppers. That's 17. Definitely a sizable group.
What you have to understand though is these guys were all Hoke recruits. They spent 2 or 3 years being coached and developed by that staff, and that staff showed the inability to really develop many positions. A Sr(RS) OL leaving is a MUCH bigger loss if he's spent all 5 years with Harbaugh, than the situation we have now. Our OL was the weakest part of our team. Losing 3 Srs in the group looks much worse on paper than it actually is.
This all plays back to the depth and talent points I was making earlier. Which ties into Meyer being in year 5, and Harbaugh year 2. This is a Sr heavy team, that doesn't mean all of those seniors are very good. Many will be easily replaced by the recruits Harbaugh has brought in and developed.
2015 was a romp. Our DC was interviewing for Maryland that week and didn't show up at all to stop your O
2014 blew open in the 4th
2013 was a 1 pt win when our QB had a broken foot
2012 was a 5 pt win
Just sayin
Due to a lack of better judgement, I am going to re-enter the thread and respond to all of Gipper's posts in one reply. I am sure, by the time I am done reading his responses, I am going to be in a state of disbelief and frustration. Here we go:
We lose our starting HB, but have a pretty deep group there (they all got a lot of time). Both WRs (which hurts). #1 TE, which hurts. 3 OL. 3 DL, which hurts. MLB. 2 Cbs. 2 Ss. K/P. Add Peppers. That's 17. Definitely a sizable group.
What you have to understand though is these guys were all Hoke recruits. They spent 2 or 3 years being coached and developed by that staff, and that staff showed the inability to really develop many positions. A Sr(RS) OL leaving is a MUCH bigger loss if he's spent all 5 years with Harbaugh, than the situation we have now. Our OL was the weakest part of our team. Losing 3 Srs in the group looks much worse on paper than it actually is.
This all plays back to the depth and talent points I was making earlier. Which ties into Meyer being in year 5, and Harbaugh year 2. This is a Sr heavy team, that doesn't mean all of those seniors are very good. Many will be easily replaced by the recruits Harbaugh has brought in and developed.
2015 was a romp. Our DC was interviewing for Maryland that week and didn't show up at all to stop your O
2014 blew open in the 4th
2013 was a 1 pt win when our QB had a broken foot
2012 was a 5 pt win
Just sayin
Again, the report I saw was the UM was losing 17 senior starters.
If those seniors are not very good, and can easily be replaced by Harbaugh recruits....then why were'nt they?
You seem to be denigrating the seniors you have playing. Why?
Jesus, how many players did OSU lose in the draft last year? How many high draft picks.
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Even if UM improves their recruiting...they are still not doing better at it than Ohio St.
Based on what? Why would Michigan not be able to match OSU in recruiting?
If the talent level is so much better...then why was Harbaugh starting 17 seniors....guys he didn't recruit...over the younger guys he did recruit. [./quote]
Because there is something to be said for game experience and more time in a college weight room. A team full of Harbaugh recruits, coached up for 4+ years, will be better and have more depth tho. That's the point.
I agree he has coached them much better than the previous guy. I am just not sure your younger guys are any better than the guys you have leaving...pure talent wise.
You are only expecting...hoping that is the case in order to close the gap. You are simply being Dusty Springfield.
I know some on here don't like to admit it, but recruiting rankings do mean something. Even outside of that, we saw how much more these players progressed under Harbaugh than Hoke. It would stand to reason that, all else equal, a player with 4 years of Harbaugh's staff will be better than a player with 2 years in Harbaugh's staff.
Based on what? Why would Michigan not be able to match OSU in recruiting?
Because Michigan sucks and Ohio state rules. All the recruits know that.
If the talent level is so much better...then why was Harbaugh starting 17 seniors....guys he didn't recruit...over the younger guys he did recruit. [./quote]
Because there is something to be said for game experience and more time in a college weight room. A team full of Harbaugh recruits, coached up for 4+ years, will be better and have more depth tho. That's the point.
Well, they will be better coached than they were before, I will grant that. But to conclude that UM under Harbaugh has not reached its optimum is pure speculation.
I agree he has coached them much better than the previous guy. I am just not sure your younger guys are any better than the guys you have leaving...pure talent wise.
You are only expecting...hoping that is the case in order to close the gap. You are simply being Dusty Springfield.
I know some on here don't like to admit it, but recruiting rankings do mean something. Even outside of that, we saw how much more these players progressed under Harbaugh than Hoke. It would stand to reason that, all else equal, a player with 4 years of Harbaugh's staff will be better than a player with 2 years in Harbaugh's staff.
OK, perhaps....but they won't be as good as a player with any time spent with Meyer's staff. (except though...perhaps, Meyer's staff keeps getting poached to take HC jobs at other schools. Herman, Ash, Durkin...just to name a few. If Mich has the success you think they will have under Harbaugh....he could begin to lose people just as OSU has)
As for recruiting rankings....if you do believe what you say, then UM has by no means closed the gap:
http://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
Per this, OSU has already bagged 8 of the Top 50 recruits. Michigan: none. Alabama 6. Still many undecideds.
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You clearly don't know much about Harbaugh. The man idolizes Bo. He walks the same path to work each day that Bo walks. He does the walk to Bo's grave each year. He dresses like him. He tries to embody him whenever he can. So yes, the fact he lives right where Bo used to does pplay a huge significance.
You said that Harbaugh's kids go to school where Bo's kids went to school. Well, hell my Dad went to school at the same school as Bo....does that mean I am going to get a job coaching at UM.
Another absurdity.
No. Harbaugh's kids go to school where HE used to go to school.
The "connection" in your quote literally makes no sense. If you want to admit you're purposely being absurd (an idiot) again, go for it. But it literally means nothing in the context of this conversation.
I've already explained to you why counting the number of Sr's on our team, and assume we'll be down now because they're leaving, doesn't really make sense, is lazy, and shows a lack of understanding for the situation. I've already told you that Harbaugh will be recruiting right at the same level of OSU. Very soon we'll have the same level of talent and depth.
I tried to do that all in one post but this site was NOT a fan
So which senior starters are you willing to call garbage that couldn't beat a couple of kids that were playing high school ball last year?
So which senior starters are you willing to call garbage that couldn't beat a couple of kids that were playing high school ball last year?
Sigh
The point isn't that they're garbage. The point is that their skill level as seniors will be lower than what we'll have going forward (and lower than what OSU has now).
Where is OSU starting true freshman?
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
"Yeah it happens. So be it. The loss has been hanging out there for about three games waiting for someone to reach out and grab it and Penn state did. It is what it is. This is a team full of young guys and they'll get better. If Michigan manages to get in the playoffs I'll still hate them but I'll reluctantly root for them over Alabama."
This is what I commented when OSU lost to Penn state. Note how I didn't complain about refs or the fluky nature of the two blocked kicks and all that. That's reasonable and level headed. Taking away all the other shit blaming the refs, trying to paint them as corrupt and biased isn't level headed or fair. It's excuse making. Speight was mediocre. Michigan's rushing attack failed to materialize and their top ranked defense fell apart where Ohio State's held. That's all there is to it.
"Yeah it happens. So be it. The loss has been hanging out there for about three games waiting for someone to reach out and grab it and Penn state did. It is what it is. This is a team full of young guys and they'll get better. If Michigan manages to get in the playoffs I'll still hate them but I'll reluctantly root for them over Alabama."
This is what I commented when OSU lost to Penn state. Note how I didn't complain about refs or the fluky nature of the two blocked kicks and all that. That's reasonable and level headed. Taking away all the other shit blaming the refs, trying to paint them as corrupt and biased isn't level headed or fair. It's excuse making. Speight was mediocre. Michigan's rushing attack failed to materialize and their top ranked defense fell apart where Ohio State's held. That's all there is to it.
Did you have objectively bad calls to bring up?
Was there an open OSU fan ref that was previously not allowed to ref PSU s big games?
I mean, I wouldn't expect t you to make this argument if you don't have anything to support it....
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