Camp Trubisky
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PFF grades collegiate players... meant to mention that earlier. I have no issue with various rankings, however.
Draft Scouts, who CBS gets their rankings from, is pretty good in my experience and since they rank overall as well as by position, grades can be easily inferred. But the problem is their 2017 list is incomplete at present because they do not inject underclassmen until they declare. So until they do, I rarely look at their work.
As for prioritizing our needs? So far I have LT at the bottom and NT just above LT. Will update later...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
At the moment I would rank the two most important positions of need as edge rusher (so the D gets off the field and the DBs function better) and Center (so the QB's avoid what we saw this year so far, massive casualties and no time to find receivers). QB is 3rd because no use ruining another with such a weak OL. Plus I'd like to see what Kessler can do without having to watch defenders coming to deliver the next blow in 2 seconds or less.
I still have that old school mentality, D's win Superbowls and Lines win football.
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At the moment I would rank the two most important positions of need as edge rusher (so the D gets off the field and the DBs function better) and Center (so the QB's avoid what we saw this year so far, massive casualties and no time to find receivers). QB is 3rd because no use ruining another with such a weak OL. Plus I'd like to see what Kessler can do without having to watch defenders coming to deliver the next blow in 2 seconds or less.
I still have that old school mentality, D's win Superbowls and Lines win football.
At the moment I would rank the two most important positions of need as edge rusher (so the D gets off the field and the DBs function better) and Center (so the QB's avoid what we saw this year so far, massive casualties and no time to find receivers). QB is 3rd because no use ruining another with such a weak OL. Plus I'd like to see what Kessler can do without having to watch defenders coming to deliver the next blow in 2 seconds or less.
I still have that old school mentality, D's win Superbowls and Lines win football.
I struggle to vastly disagree but think a free safety is as big a need as center almost.
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I think we should just try to sign one.....a C.....if at all possible....
This OL thing is really hurting us...preventing our run game from success....killing our QB's....etc.....and it's been several years of this.....so would prefer to plug a "proven" someone in, as opposed to drafting another prospect and enduring another year(or more) of hoping they develop.....
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I think we should just try to sign one.....a C.....if at all possible....
This OL thing is really hurting us...preventing our run game from success....killing our QB's....etc.....and it's been several years of this.....so would prefer to plug a "proven" someone in, as opposed to drafting another prospect and enduring another year(or more) of hoping they develop.....
I think we should just try to sign one.....a C.....if at all possible....
This OL thing is really hurting us...preventing our run game from success....killing our QB's....etc.....and it's been several years of this.....so would prefer to plug a "proven" someone in, as opposed to drafting another prospect and enduring another year(or more) of hoping they develop.....
I can't disagree with that Mud. Pay "The Man". Anyone up in the FA market this year?
Edit-found this.
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None of those names leap out, maybe Schwenke? The ones above are probably too old for our plan.
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None of those names leap out, maybe Schwenke? The ones above are probably too old for our plan.
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Could be. But when considering drafting a kid and the inherently unknown aspect of that, we also need to consider the guy on our IR, Reiter, who is also an unknown but clearly has something about him and doesn't cost a draft pick.
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Could be. But when considering drafting a kid and the inherently unknown aspect of that, we also need to consider the guy on our IR, Reiter, who is also an unknown but clearly has something about him and doesn't cost a draft pick.
Could be. But when considering drafting a kid and the inherently unknown aspect of that, we also need to consider the guy on our IR, Reiter, who is also an unknown but clearly has something about him and doesn't cost a draft pick.
I think the knock mentioned before is that Reiter appeared to be performing well but it was a limited sample size due to the injury.
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Could be. But when considering drafting a kid and the inherently unknown aspect of that, we also need to consider the guy on our IR, Reiter, who is also an unknown but clearly has something about him and doesn't cost a draft pick.
I think the knock mentioned before is that Reiter appeared to be performing well but it was a limited sample size due to the injury.
I think the knock mentioned before is that Reiter appeared to be performing well but it was a limited sample size due to the injury.
Of course. But from at least one aspect, he is essentially a draft pick that the browns get to work with from now until next season, not just from march to next season. Basically, as risky as it is to go in to the season with a (for example) third round rookie at center, it's no riskier to do so with a guy like Reiter.
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I think the knock mentioned before is that Reiter appeared to be performing well but it was a limited sample size due to the injury.
Of course. But from at least one aspect, he is essentially a draft pick that the browns get to work with from now until next season, not just from march to next season. Basically, as risky as it is to go in to the season with a (for example) third round rookie at center, it's no riskier to do so with a guy like Reiter.
Of course. But from at least one aspect, he is essentially a draft pick that the browns get to work with from now until next season, not just from march to next season. Basically, as risky as it is to go in to the season with a (for example) third round rookie at center, it's no riskier to do so with a guy like Reiter.
What kind of prospects are out there at center going into this draft?
*paging Tour*
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Couple of decent ones including from LSU and OSU. But they're top 50 picks easily, as it stands.
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Of course. But from at least one aspect, he is essentially a draft pick that the browns get to work with from now until next season, not just from march to next season. Basically, as risky as it is to go in to the season with a (for example) third round rookie at center, it's no riskier to do so with a guy like Reiter.
What kind of prospects are out there at center going into this draft?
*paging Tour*
What kind of prospects are out there at center going into this draft?
*paging Tour*
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If you expand Ag's sporttrac search to RFA Centers, not much more shows up... mostly back ups.
Big name Centers are not common... Mack, the brothers Pouncey, the one Seattle traded away... a couple years ago the younger Martin brother...
In the draft they come from all positions... Glasgow moved from OG to C in KC and stepped right into a starting job. So some vision is required... and a little tape at the position, like Glasgow had, doesn't hurt.... then again... *sigh*... Cam had "a little" tape, too.
I would point out that Greco did well filling in at C for us each of the past 3 years. His injury now raises some uncertainty, but he's still a viable enough alternative to allow us to fish a little and draft a promising OG (or two) investing a Day 2 and a Day 3 pick.
Also allows us to peruse the OG FAs... some interesting names there... a couple of which TCPO mentioned in his "if I were GM" post last week...
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Couple of decent ones including from LSU and OSU. But they're top 50 picks easily, as it stands.
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Tour - following the same logic, having seen Pasztor play well at guard allows us to look at right tackle prospects as well, and shuffle them both (Paz and Greco) inside one.
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Absolutely, Chris... however the board falls, if the next OL prospect is an OT, go for it.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
PFF grades collegiate players... meant to mention that earlier. I have no issue with various rankings, however.
Draft Scouts, who CBS gets their rankings from, is pretty good in my experience and since they rank overall as well as by position, grades can be easily inferred. But the problem is their 2017 list is incomplete at present because they do not inject underclassmen until they declare. So until they do, I rarely look at their work.
As for prioritizing our needs? So far I have LT at the bottom and NT just above LT. Will update later...
PFF grades collegiate players... meant to mention that earlier. I have no issue with various rankings, however.
Draft Scouts, who CBS gets their rankings from, is pretty good in my experience and since they rank overall as well as by position, grades can be easily inferred. But the problem is their 2017 list is incomplete at present because they do not inject underclassmen until they declare. So until they do, I rarely look at their work.
As for prioritizing our needs? So far I have LT at the bottom and NT just above LT. Will update later...
Except Trubisky IS ranked by CBS. Hell, Peppers, a 3rd year sophomore is listed:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings
Allen, Garrett and Peppers are 1,2,3,...then Trubisky 4th. But, hell, Peppers, at 207 has been playing LB for UM...he ain't playing that in the pros, and even our UM denizen has disparaged Peppers as a DB (but we could use his return skills).
So, the me, the question will be: do we take the QB (I vote yes)...or do we take one of the defenders.
Hard choice....given our needs. But I go for the franchise QB. How often do we get the chance to get a franchise QB with the #1 pick. We took Couch, but never supported him. I think this FO will do better protecting MT if he is taken.
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At the moment I would rank the two most important positions of need as edge rusher (so the D gets off the field and the DBs function better) and Center (so the QB's avoid what we saw this year so far, massive casualties and no time to find receivers). QB is 3rd because no use ruining another with such a weak OL. Plus I'd like to see what Kessler can do without having to watch defenders coming to deliver the next blow in 2 seconds or less.
I still have that old school mentality, D's win Superbowls and Lines win football.
At the moment I would rank the two most important positions of need as edge rusher (so the D gets off the field and the DBs function better) and Center (so the QB's avoid what we saw this year so far, massive casualties and no time to find receivers). QB is 3rd because no use ruining another with such a weak OL. Plus I'd like to see what Kessler can do without having to watch defenders coming to deliver the next blow in 2 seconds or less.
I still have that old school mentality, D's win Superbowls and Lines win football.
While I agree somewhat.....I think franchise QBs win Superbowls more often than great Ds.....not that you don't need both.
There are outliers: last year, 2005 Steelers, 2000 Ravens.
The thing is this:
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Absolutely, Chris... however the board falls, if the next OL prospect is an OT, go for it.
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PFF grades collegiate players... meant to mention that earlier. I have no issue with various rankings, however.
Draft Scouts, who CBS gets their rankings from, is pretty good in my experience and since they rank overall as well as by position, grades can be easily inferred. But the problem is their 2017 list is incomplete at present because they do not inject underclassmen until they declare. So until they do, I rarely look at their work.
As for prioritizing our needs? So far I have LT at the bottom and NT just above LT. Will update later...
Except Trubisky IS ranked by CBS. Hell, Peppers, a 3rd year sophomore is listed:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings
Allen, Garrett and Peppers are 1,2,3,...then Trubisky 4th. But, hell, Peppers, at 207 has been playing LB for UM...he ain't playing that in the pros, and even our UM denizen has disparaged Peppers as a DB (but we could use his return skills).
So, the me, the question will be: do we take the QB (I vote yes)...or do we take one of the defenders.
Hard choice....given our needs. But I go for the franchise QB. How often do we get the chance to get a franchise QB with the #1 pick. We took Couch, but never supported him. I think this FO will do better protecting MT if he is taken.
Except Trubisky IS ranked by CBS. Hell, Peppers, a 3rd year sophomore is listed:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings
Allen, Garrett and Peppers are 1,2,3,...then Trubisky 4th. But, hell, Peppers, at 207 has been playing LB for UM...he ain't playing that in the pros, and even our UM denizen has disparaged Peppers as a DB (but we could use his return skills).
Interesting since CBS is "Powered by NFLDraftScout.com" and Draft Scout has not included underclassmen and has not yet populated its "Top 750 for 2017" list as yet...
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/top750.php?draftyear=2017&sortby=rateall&order=ASC
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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