Camp Trubisky
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I think we should just try to sign one.....a C.....if at all possible....
This OL thing is really hurting us...preventing our run game from success....killing our QB's....etc.....and it's been several years of this.....so would prefer to plug a "proven" someone in, as opposed to drafting another prospect and enduring another year(or more) of hoping they develop.....
I think we should just try to sign one.....a C.....if at all possible....
This OL thing is really hurting us...preventing our run game from success....killing our QB's....etc.....and it's been several years of this.....so would prefer to plug a "proven" someone in, as opposed to drafting another prospect and enduring another year(or more) of hoping they develop.....
I can't disagree with that Mud. Pay "The Man". Anyone up in the FA market this year?
Edit-found this.
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None of those names leap out, maybe Schwenke? The ones above are probably too old for our plan.
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None of those names leap out, maybe Schwenke? The ones above are probably too old for our plan.
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Could be. But when considering drafting a kid and the inherently unknown aspect of that, we also need to consider the guy on our IR, Reiter, who is also an unknown but clearly has something about him and doesn't cost a draft pick.
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Could be. But when considering drafting a kid and the inherently unknown aspect of that, we also need to consider the guy on our IR, Reiter, who is also an unknown but clearly has something about him and doesn't cost a draft pick.
Could be. But when considering drafting a kid and the inherently unknown aspect of that, we also need to consider the guy on our IR, Reiter, who is also an unknown but clearly has something about him and doesn't cost a draft pick.
I think the knock mentioned before is that Reiter appeared to be performing well but it was a limited sample size due to the injury.
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Could be. But when considering drafting a kid and the inherently unknown aspect of that, we also need to consider the guy on our IR, Reiter, who is also an unknown but clearly has something about him and doesn't cost a draft pick.
I think the knock mentioned before is that Reiter appeared to be performing well but it was a limited sample size due to the injury.
I think the knock mentioned before is that Reiter appeared to be performing well but it was a limited sample size due to the injury.
Of course. But from at least one aspect, he is essentially a draft pick that the browns get to work with from now until next season, not just from march to next season. Basically, as risky as it is to go in to the season with a (for example) third round rookie at center, it's no riskier to do so with a guy like Reiter.
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I think the knock mentioned before is that Reiter appeared to be performing well but it was a limited sample size due to the injury.
Of course. But from at least one aspect, he is essentially a draft pick that the browns get to work with from now until next season, not just from march to next season. Basically, as risky as it is to go in to the season with a (for example) third round rookie at center, it's no riskier to do so with a guy like Reiter.
Of course. But from at least one aspect, he is essentially a draft pick that the browns get to work with from now until next season, not just from march to next season. Basically, as risky as it is to go in to the season with a (for example) third round rookie at center, it's no riskier to do so with a guy like Reiter.
What kind of prospects are out there at center going into this draft?
*paging Tour*
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Couple of decent ones including from LSU and OSU. But they're top 50 picks easily, as it stands.
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Of course. But from at least one aspect, he is essentially a draft pick that the browns get to work with from now until next season, not just from march to next season. Basically, as risky as it is to go in to the season with a (for example) third round rookie at center, it's no riskier to do so with a guy like Reiter.
What kind of prospects are out there at center going into this draft?
*paging Tour*
What kind of prospects are out there at center going into this draft?
*paging Tour*
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If you expand Ag's sporttrac search to RFA Centers, not much more shows up... mostly back ups.
Big name Centers are not common... Mack, the brothers Pouncey, the one Seattle traded away... a couple years ago the younger Martin brother...
In the draft they come from all positions... Glasgow moved from OG to C in KC and stepped right into a starting job. So some vision is required... and a little tape at the position, like Glasgow had, doesn't hurt.... then again... *sigh*... Cam had "a little" tape, too.
I would point out that Greco did well filling in at C for us each of the past 3 years. His injury now raises some uncertainty, but he's still a viable enough alternative to allow us to fish a little and draft a promising OG (or two) investing a Day 2 and a Day 3 pick.
Also allows us to peruse the OG FAs... some interesting names there... a couple of which TCPO mentioned in his "if I were GM" post last week...
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Couple of decent ones including from LSU and OSU. But they're top 50 picks easily, as it stands.
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Tour - following the same logic, having seen Pasztor play well at guard allows us to look at right tackle prospects as well, and shuffle them both (Paz and Greco) inside one.
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Absolutely, Chris... however the board falls, if the next OL prospect is an OT, go for it.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
PFF grades collegiate players... meant to mention that earlier. I have no issue with various rankings, however.
Draft Scouts, who CBS gets their rankings from, is pretty good in my experience and since they rank overall as well as by position, grades can be easily inferred. But the problem is their 2017 list is incomplete at present because they do not inject underclassmen until they declare. So until they do, I rarely look at their work.
As for prioritizing our needs? So far I have LT at the bottom and NT just above LT. Will update later...
PFF grades collegiate players... meant to mention that earlier. I have no issue with various rankings, however.
Draft Scouts, who CBS gets their rankings from, is pretty good in my experience and since they rank overall as well as by position, grades can be easily inferred. But the problem is their 2017 list is incomplete at present because they do not inject underclassmen until they declare. So until they do, I rarely look at their work.
As for prioritizing our needs? So far I have LT at the bottom and NT just above LT. Will update later...
Except Trubisky IS ranked by CBS. Hell, Peppers, a 3rd year sophomore is listed:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings
Allen, Garrett and Peppers are 1,2,3,...then Trubisky 4th. But, hell, Peppers, at 207 has been playing LB for UM...he ain't playing that in the pros, and even our UM denizen has disparaged Peppers as a DB (but we could use his return skills).
So, the me, the question will be: do we take the QB (I vote yes)...or do we take one of the defenders.
Hard choice....given our needs. But I go for the franchise QB. How often do we get the chance to get a franchise QB with the #1 pick. We took Couch, but never supported him. I think this FO will do better protecting MT if he is taken.
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At the moment I would rank the two most important positions of need as edge rusher (so the D gets off the field and the DBs function better) and Center (so the QB's avoid what we saw this year so far, massive casualties and no time to find receivers). QB is 3rd because no use ruining another with such a weak OL. Plus I'd like to see what Kessler can do without having to watch defenders coming to deliver the next blow in 2 seconds or less.
I still have that old school mentality, D's win Superbowls and Lines win football.
At the moment I would rank the two most important positions of need as edge rusher (so the D gets off the field and the DBs function better) and Center (so the QB's avoid what we saw this year so far, massive casualties and no time to find receivers). QB is 3rd because no use ruining another with such a weak OL. Plus I'd like to see what Kessler can do without having to watch defenders coming to deliver the next blow in 2 seconds or less.
I still have that old school mentality, D's win Superbowls and Lines win football.
While I agree somewhat.....I think franchise QBs win Superbowls more often than great Ds.....not that you don't need both.
There are outliers: last year, 2005 Steelers, 2000 Ravens.
The thing is this:
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Absolutely, Chris... however the board falls, if the next OL prospect is an OT, go for it.
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PFF grades collegiate players... meant to mention that earlier. I have no issue with various rankings, however.
Draft Scouts, who CBS gets their rankings from, is pretty good in my experience and since they rank overall as well as by position, grades can be easily inferred. But the problem is their 2017 list is incomplete at present because they do not inject underclassmen until they declare. So until they do, I rarely look at their work.
As for prioritizing our needs? So far I have LT at the bottom and NT just above LT. Will update later...
Except Trubisky IS ranked by CBS. Hell, Peppers, a 3rd year sophomore is listed:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings
Allen, Garrett and Peppers are 1,2,3,...then Trubisky 4th. But, hell, Peppers, at 207 has been playing LB for UM...he ain't playing that in the pros, and even our UM denizen has disparaged Peppers as a DB (but we could use his return skills).
So, the me, the question will be: do we take the QB (I vote yes)...or do we take one of the defenders.
Hard choice....given our needs. But I go for the franchise QB. How often do we get the chance to get a franchise QB with the #1 pick. We took Couch, but never supported him. I think this FO will do better protecting MT if he is taken.
Except Trubisky IS ranked by CBS. Hell, Peppers, a 3rd year sophomore is listed:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings
Allen, Garrett and Peppers are 1,2,3,...then Trubisky 4th. But, hell, Peppers, at 207 has been playing LB for UM...he ain't playing that in the pros, and even our UM denizen has disparaged Peppers as a DB (but we could use his return skills).
Interesting since CBS is "Powered by NFLDraftScout.com" and Draft Scout has not included underclassmen and has not yet populated its "Top 750 for 2017" list as yet...
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/top750.php?draftyear=2017&sortby=rateall&order=ASC
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I think I'm going to tape the combine this year so i can get a better view of the incoming players. Last year i watched all the o lineman,HB/FB and WR most of the QB but missed most of the Defensive positions.
Couple of points i made back then and i am drawing from memory here so bear with me.
Jason Spriggs had a ton a potential very very physical but you could tell he needed professional refinement he could be as good as Joe Thomas in 1-2 years,
Glasgow has the lowest center of gravity and fantastic explosion best in class,
Joe Thuney had the best footwork best in class,
Stanley was the most complete and displayed what only could be described as angry he wasn't being as hyped as Tunsil,
Tunsil had talent but was LAZY,LAZY,LAZY it's no surprise he has struggled this year when healthy,
German ifedi looked lost out there he tried but looked bad in practice but his game tape looked much better maybe he's just a poor tester lol.
For the HB there wasnt really much of a standout here aside from elliot just looking like an nfl ready back
Elliot looked good not great but good enough to be the best in a weak class that could be what made Elliot so good is that he is above average in most aspects (hands are a bit iffy but they are not horrible)
Couple other names that stood out were Howard and Procise both looked good in their own ways Howard a bit more physical and Procise was a lot smoother.
FB was Danny Vitale and it wasn't even close great hands very physical Extremely quick feet fastest out of ALL RB/FB except maybe Darius Jackson
WR they split into two groups and i only watched one group perform but i did watch Treadwell's group Treadwell looked average at best not worth drafting high, Michael Thomas played like a Big Receiver and caught away from his body, Will fuller was really really fast is about all i remember from him he was showing a different league of speed compared to everyone else. -
CBS,Rang and Kiper all have mitch as the TOP Qb in this draft and a top 10 prospect
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Except Trubisky IS ranked by CBS. Hell, Peppers, a 3rd year sophomore is listed:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings
Allen, Garrett and Peppers are 1,2,3,...then Trubisky 4th. But, hell, Peppers, at 207 has been playing LB for UM...he ain't playing that in the pros, and even our UM denizen has disparaged Peppers as a DB (but we could use his return skills).
Interesting since CBS is "Powered by NFLDraftScout.com" and Draft Scout has not included underclassmen and has not yet populated its "Top 750 for 2017" list as yet...
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/top750.php?draftyear=2017&sortby=rateall&order=ASC
Interesting since CBS is "Powered by NFLDraftScout.com" and Draft Scout has not included underclassmen and has not yet populated its "Top 750 for 2017" list as yet...
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/top750.php?draftyear=2017&sortby=rateall&order=ASC
Granted Tour. But almost every mock I've looked at (OK, it's still early) has Mitch right at the top.
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All the mocks are worth shit until the last few days before the draft where things start taking shape. Literally none of them had Bosa going to the chargers. And then you get Tunsil falling from to the dolphins because of some draft day shit. Unless you have a clear cut case like last year with two teams who are super QB hungry being at the top, especially when they've traded to get there, it's anybody's guess.
At this stage they're all just saying "this seems like it might make sense if the draft were today" which it obviously isn't.
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