Camp Trubisky
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Except Trubisky IS ranked by CBS. Hell, Peppers, a 3rd year sophomore is listed:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings
Allen, Garrett and Peppers are 1,2,3,...then Trubisky 4th. But, hell, Peppers, at 207 has been playing LB for UM...he ain't playing that in the pros, and even our UM denizen has disparaged Peppers as a DB (but we could use his return skills).
Interesting since CBS is "Powered by NFLDraftScout.com" and Draft Scout has not included underclassmen and has not yet populated its "Top 750 for 2017" list as yet...
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/top750.php?draftyear=2017&sortby=rateall&order=ASC
Interesting since CBS is "Powered by NFLDraftScout.com" and Draft Scout has not included underclassmen and has not yet populated its "Top 750 for 2017" list as yet...
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/top750.php?draftyear=2017&sortby=rateall&order=ASC
Granted Tour. But almost every mock I've looked at (OK, it's still early) has Mitch right at the top.
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All the mocks are worth shit until the last few days before the draft where things start taking shape. Literally none of them had Bosa going to the chargers. And then you get Tunsil falling from to the dolphins because of some draft day shit. Unless you have a clear cut case like last year with two teams who are super QB hungry being at the top, especially when they've traded to get there, it's anybody's guess.
At this stage they're all just saying "this seems like it might make sense if the draft were today" which it obviously isn't.
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All the mocks are worth shit until the last few days before the draft where things start taking shape. Literally none of them had Bosa going to the chargers. And then you get Tunsil falling from to the dolphins because of some draft day shit. Unless you have a clear cut case like last year with two teams who are super QB hungry being at the top, especially when they've traded to get there, it's anybody's guess.
At this stage they're all just saying "this seems like it might make sense if the draft were today" which it obviously isn't.
All the mocks are worth shit until the last few days before the draft where things start taking shape. Literally none of them had Bosa going to the chargers. And then you get Tunsil falling from to the dolphins because of some draft day shit. Unless you have a clear cut case like last year with two teams who are super QB hungry being at the top, especially when they've traded to get there, it's anybody's guess.
At this stage they're all just saying "this seems like it might make sense if the draft were today" which it obviously isn't.
Well, you absolutely could have a case of two teams at the top of the draft being "QB hungry". The Browns, of course. (Do you believe in Black Jesus?) And the Bears....who I think want to move on from Cutler. Or maybe even the Jets....though they have two totally untested QBs they still have to try out....Petty and Hackenberg. Perhaps not the 49ers if they view Kaepernick as their continuing starter. (He may be the best QB on all the teams I have named here...fair to say?)
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All the mocks are worth shit until the last few days before the draft where things start taking shape. Literally none of them had Bosa going to the chargers. And then you get Tunsil falling from to the dolphins because of some draft day shit. Unless you have a clear cut case like last year with two teams who are super QB hungry being at the top, especially when they've traded to get there, it's anybody's guess.
At this stage they're all just saying "this seems like it might make sense if the draft were today" which it obviously isn't.
Well, you absolutely could have a case of two teams at the top of the draft being "QB hungry". The Browns, of course. (Do you believe in Black Jesus?) And the Bears....who I think want to move on from Cutler. Or maybe even the Jets....though they have two totally untested QBs they still have to try out....Petty and Hackenberg. Perhaps not the 49ers if they view Kaepernick as their continuing starter. (He may be the best QB on all the teams I have named here...fair to say?)
Well, you absolutely could have a case of two teams at the top of the draft being "QB hungry". The Browns, of course. (Do you believe in Black Jesus?) And the Bears....who I think want to move on from Cutler. Or maybe even the Jets....though they have two totally untested QBs they still have to try out....Petty and Hackenberg. Perhaps not the 49ers if they view Kaepernick as their continuing starter. (He may be the best QB on all the teams I have named here...fair to say?)
Yeah but I don't think it's necessarily super clear cut this year. It could be that Trubisky and Watson go top 2, but at this stage nobody knows anything more than you or I.
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At the moment I would rank the two most important positions of need as edge rusher (so the D gets off the field and the DBs function better) and Center (so the QB's avoid what we saw this year so far, massive casualties and no time to find receivers). QB is 3rd because no use ruining another with such a weak OL. Plus I'd like to see what Kessler can do without having to watch defenders coming to deliver the next blow in 2 seconds or less.
I still have that old school mentality, D's win Superbowls and Lines win football.
While I agree somewhat.....I think franchise QBs win Superbowls more often than great Ds.....not that you don't need both.
There are outliers: last year, 2005 Steelers, 2000 Ravens.
The thing is this:
While I agree somewhat.....I think franchise QBs win Superbowls more often than great Ds.....not that you don't need both.
There are outliers: last year, 2005 Steelers, 2000 Ravens.
The thing is this:
Well one possibility is to take the QB and look down on that list where you find Tim Wiliams @17. I have watched Bama some this year and he gets to the QB quite often and is speedier than Allen. In fact it's the two of them together that makes their D work so well against the passing game. Then we can figure out who to take in the two early 2nd round spots, SS or OL.
Edit: they play this Sat. in SEC Championship game @4pm EST-worth a watch to see both play together. Allen has 7 sacks this year and Williams 8.
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No shit Williams is faster, he's closer to 50lbs lighter.
On that same note, kid looks a bit lean. By a bit I mean a lot.
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Lets calm down, ofc he's saying he wants to play for clev....cause right now there's zero doubt where we're picking. He wants #1 money
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Lets calm down, ofc he's saying he wants to play for clev....cause right now there's zero doubt where we're picking. He wants #1 money
Lets calm down, ofc he's saying he wants to play for clev....cause right now there's zero doubt where we're picking. He wants #1 money
Actually- as I've said in another thread, there is some doubt. It would be so like the Browns to win a game or two (Bengals and\or Chargers) and blow the #1 overall. Right now the 49ers hold the strength of schedule tiebreaker over the Browns. I'll breathe a little easier if they manage to beat the Bears this weekend- they almost pulled a win out against the Dolphins.
And looking at it a little deeper (schedule wise) - should the Browns get really lucky and win two of the last four- the two win Jaguars and Bears are unlikely to win another game.
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I will be incandescent if they blow the first pick
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Well, you absolutely could have a case of two teams at the top of the draft being "QB hungry". The Browns, of course. (Do you believe in Black Jesus?) And the Bears....who I think want to move on from Cutler. Or maybe even the Jets....though they have two totally untested QBs they still have to try out....Petty and Hackenberg. Perhaps not the 49ers if they view Kaepernick as their continuing starter. (He may be the best QB on all the teams I have named here...fair to say?)
Yeah but I don't think it's necessarily super clear cut this year. It could be that Trubisky and Watson go top 2, but at this stage nobody knows anything more than you or I.
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While I agree somewhat.....I think franchise QBs win Superbowls more often than great Ds.....not that you don't need both.
There are outliers: last year, 2005 Steelers, 2000 Ravens.
The thing is this:
Well one possibility is to take the QB and look down on that list where you find Tim Wiliams @17. I have watched Bama some this year and he gets to the QB quite often and is speedier than Allen. In fact it's the two of them together that makes their D work so well against the passing game. Then we can figure out who to take in the two early 2nd round spots, SS or OL.
Edit: they play this Sat. in SEC Championship game @4pm EST-worth a watch to see both play together. Allen has 7 sacks this year and Williams 8.
Well one possibility is to take the QB and look down on that list where you find Tim Wiliams @17. I have watched Bama some this year and he gets to the QB quite often and is speedier than Allen. In fact it's the two of them together that makes their D work so well against the passing game. Then we can figure out who to take in the two early 2nd round spots, SS or OL.
Edit: they play this Sat. in SEC Championship game @4pm EST-worth a watch to see both play together. Allen has 7 sacks this year and Williams 8.
Fair deal. A man a plan Panama!
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Lets calm down, ofc he's saying he wants to play for clev....cause right now there's zero doubt where we're picking. He wants #1 money
Lets calm down, ofc he's saying he wants to play for clev....cause right now there's zero doubt where we're picking. He wants #1 money
ofc? Interpret.
If you are talking Trubisky...and you say he wants #1 money...and we draft him #1...then we give him what he wants. I mean, that is a No Shit Sherlock situation, no?
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Lets calm down, ofc he's saying he wants to play for clev....cause right now there's zero doubt where we're picking. He wants #1 money
Actually- as I've said in another thread, there is some doubt. It would be so like the Browns to win a game or two (Bengals and\or Chargers) and blow the #1 overall. Right now the 49ers hold the strength of schedule tiebreaker over the Browns. I'll breathe a little easier if they manage to beat the Bears this weekend- they almost pulled a win out against the Dolphins.
And looking at it a little deeper (schedule wise) - should the Browns get really lucky and win two of the last four- the two win Jaguars and Bears are unlikely to win another game.
Actually- as I've said in another thread, there is some doubt. It would be so like the Browns to win a game or two (Bengals and\or Chargers) and blow the #1 overall. Right now the 49ers hold the strength of schedule tiebreaker over the Browns. I'll breathe a little easier if they manage to beat the Bears this weekend- they almost pulled a win out against the Dolphins.
And looking at it a little deeper (schedule wise) - should the Browns get really lucky and win two of the last four- the two win Jaguars and Bears are unlikely to win another game.
Maybe Jags don't take MT since they got Bortles. Maybe 49ers don't take him cause they got Kaepernik.
But do you see the Bears passing on him?
If 49ers or Jags do end up with #1....would you see them entertaining offers to trade to someone...other than Browns who would want to go that route?
Browns did it last year. Who else would be a player? Cardinals? Saints for ultimate Brees replacement? Pittsburgh? Jets, clearly. Giants? Bills?
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Actually- as I've said in another thread, there is some doubt. It would be so like the Browns to win a game or two (Bengals and\or Chargers) and blow the #1 overall. Right now the 49ers hold the strength of schedule tiebreaker over the Browns. I'll breathe a little easier if they manage to beat the Bears this weekend- they almost pulled a win out against the Dolphins.
And looking at it a little deeper (schedule wise) - should the Browns get really lucky and win two of the last four- the two win Jaguars and Bears are unlikely to win another game.
Maybe Jags don't take MT since they got Bortles. Maybe 49ers don't take him cause they got Kaepernik.
But do you see the Bears passing on him?
If 49ers or Jags do end up with #1....would you see them entertaining offers to trade to someone...other than Browns who would want to go that route?
Browns did it last year. Who else would be a player? Cardinals? Saints for ultimate Brees replacement? Pittsburgh? Jets, clearly. Giants? Bills?
Maybe Jags don't take MT since they got Bortles. Maybe 49ers don't take him cause they got Kaepernik.
But do you see the Bears passing on him?
If 49ers or Jags do end up with #1....would you see them entertaining offers to trade to someone...other than Browns who would want to go that route?
Browns did it last year. Who else would be a player? Cardinals? Saints for ultimate Brees replacement? Pittsburgh? Jets, clearly. Giants? Bills?
No way in hell Gip. Jets would certainly be in the conversation for a trade up. Once you get past the Niners, Bears, and Jets- it's a long drop off to the next possibility. As you said, Cardinals (currently #9) and Saints (currently #12). Whoever holds the #1 would want a ton to move down that far- like an RG III deal, three firsts and a second.
The Rams gave up two firsts, two seconds, and two thirds to get Goff.
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Actually- as I've said in another thread, there is some doubt. It would be so like the Browns to win a game or two (Bengals and\or Chargers) and blow the #1 overall. Right now the 49ers hold the strength of schedule tiebreaker over the Browns. I'll breathe a little easier if they manage to beat the Bears this weekend- they almost pulled a win out against the Dolphins.
And looking at it a little deeper (schedule wise) - should the Browns get really lucky and win two of the last four- the two win Jaguars and Bears are unlikely to win another game.
Maybe Jags don't take MT since they got Bortles. Maybe 49ers don't take him cause they got Kaepernik.
But do you see the Bears passing on him?
If 49ers or Jags do end up with #1....would you see them entertaining offers to trade to someone...other than Browns who would want to go that route?
Browns did it last year. Who else would be a player? Cardinals? Saints for ultimate Brees replacement? Pittsburgh? Jets, clearly. Giants? Bills?
Maybe Jags don't take MT since they got Bortles. Maybe 49ers don't take him cause they got Kaepernik.
But do you see the Bears passing on him?
If 49ers or Jags do end up with #1....would you see them entertaining offers to trade to someone...other than Browns who would want to go that route?
Browns did it last year. Who else would be a player? Cardinals? Saints for ultimate Brees replacement? Pittsburgh? Jets, clearly. Giants? Bills?
If the 9ers or the Jags got #1 they would both jump on Garrett with both feet because just like us they are in dire need of a pass rusher.
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Crushing News to Camp Trubisky..Sophomore QB Lamar Jackson-6'3" 205 with 4.4 40 times, is ACCPOTY & 1st Team Acc QB announced today. 51 TD's. 30 by Air & 21 by Land finishing 2nd in rushing yards(1538)& 3rd in passing yards. Lamar got 36 votes, Watson got 5 & Conner got 3 as past winners of POTY & Dalvin Cook got 3.. It's never to late in Cleveland, To say "Wait till Next Year" but how bout the year after
#HuegottaBelieveman Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
Maybe Jags don't take MT since they got Bortles. Maybe 49ers don't take him cause they got Kaepernik.
But do you see the Bears passing on him?
If 49ers or Jags do end up with #1....would you see them entertaining offers to trade to someone...other than Browns who would want to go that route?
Browns did it last year. Who else would be a player? Cardinals? Saints for ultimate Brees replacement? Pittsburgh? Jets, clearly. Giants? Bills?
No way in hell Gip. Jets would certainly be in the conversation for a trade up. Once you get past the Niners, Bears, and Jets- it's a long drop off to the next possibility. As you said, Cardinals (currently #9) and Saints (currently #12). Whoever holds the #1 would want a ton to move down that far- like an RG III deal, three firsts and a second.
The Rams gave up two firsts, two seconds, and two thirds to get Goff.
If we trade down again, that certainly means the FO is content with fielding RGIII, McCown, and Kessler (or variation of) next year. If that's the case I sure as hell won't be seeing any games at FE next season.No way in hell Gip. Jets would certainly be in the conversation for a trade up. Once you get past the Niners, Bears, and Jets- it's a long drop off to the next possibility. As you said, Cardinals (currently #9) and Saints (currently #12). Whoever holds the #1 would want a ton to move down that far- like an RG III deal, three firsts and a second.
The Rams gave up two firsts, two seconds, and two thirds to get Goff.
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Maybe Jags don't take MT since they got Bortles. Maybe 49ers don't take him cause they got Kaepernik.
But do you see the Bears passing on him?
If 49ers or Jags do end up with #1....would you see them entertaining offers to trade to someone...other than Browns who would want to go that route?
Browns did it last year. Who else would be a player? Cardinals? Saints for ultimate Brees replacement? Pittsburgh? Jets, clearly. Giants? Bills?
No way in hell Gip. Jets would certainly be in the conversation for a trade up. Once you get past the Niners, Bears, and Jets- it's a long drop off to the next possibility. As you said, Cardinals (currently #9) and Saints (currently #12). Whoever holds the #1 would want a ton to move down that far- like an RG III deal, three firsts and a second.
The Rams gave up two firsts, two seconds, and two thirds to get Goff.
Whoever holds the #1 would want a ton to move down that far- like an RG III deal, three firsts and a second.The Rams gave up two firsts, two seconds, and two thirds to get Goff.
...and the Eagles gave up a bunch for Wentz
...and the Colts wouldn't take ANYthing offered for Luck.
What is that telling us?
It tells us that teams understand the NEED to have that good QB.
The QB is 'off the curve' important.
It's been that way for a loooong time. Otto Graham, Bart Star, Don Meredith, John Unitas, etc, etc. It was ALWAYS teams with good QB's that were consistently winning and vying for championships. (some, of course, didn't have a team around them...shining example, Archie Manning...which is what made Archie such a jerk about where his sons would play)
And the importance of the QB certainly hasn't diminished in today's pass-happy NFL. (in general, it's harder to run in today's nfl with the defensive players being bigger, faster, better than the one's of the Jim Brown days)
We still 'appear' to need a QB. But the QB cannot reach his potential without a good OL, receivers that can get open & catch, and a running game that's capable of keeping a defense honest. It's a team game in that sense...but it's all pretty much moot without the QB....which is why teams will pay 'off the curve' to acquire one.
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Crushing News to Camp Trubisky..Sophomore QB Lamar Jackson-6'3" 205 with 4.4 40 times, is ACCPOTY & 1st Team Acc QB announced today. 51 TD's. 30 by Air & 21 by Land finishing 2nd in rushing yards(1538)& 3rd in passing yards. Lamar got 36 votes, Watson got 5 & Conner got 3 as past winners of POTY & Dalvin Cook got 3.. It's never to late in Cleveland, To say "Wait till Next Year" but how bout the year after
#HuegottaBelieveman Crushing News to Camp Trubisky..Sophomore QB Lamar Jackson-6'3" 205 with 4.4 40 times, is ACCPOTY & 1st Team Acc QB announced today. 51 TD's. 30 by Air & 21 by Land finishing 2nd in rushing yards(1538)& 3rd in passing yards. Lamar got 36 votes, Watson got 5 & Conner got 3 as past winners of POTY & Dalvin Cook got 3.. It's never to late in Cleveland, To say "Wait till Next Year" but how bout the year after
#HuegottaBelieveman sub 60% completion rate and a little over 200lbs plays in nothing that resembles a professional style of football. Maybe we should not draft the college-style players and try drafting NFL-style players. Just a thought
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Crushing News to Camp Trubisky..Sophomore QB Lamar Jackson-6'3" 205 with 4.4 40 times, is ACCPOTY & 1st Team Acc QB announced today. 51 TD's. 30 by Air & 21 by Land finishing 2nd in rushing yards(1538)& 3rd in passing yards. Lamar got 36 votes, Watson got 5 & Conner got 3 as past winners of POTY & Dalvin Cook got 3.. It's never to late in Cleveland, To say "Wait till Next Year" but how bout the year after
#HuegottaBelieveman sub 60% completion rate and a little over 200lbs plays in nothing that resembles a professional style of football. Maybe we should not draft the college-style players and try drafting NFL-style players. Just a thought
sub 60% completion rate and a little over 200lbs plays in nothing that resembles a professional style of football. Maybe we should not draft the college-style players and try drafting NFL-style players. Just a thought
You don't want a strong armed college RB to play QB for the Browns? Me neither.
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