Camp Trubisky
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Lets calm down, ofc he's saying he wants to play for clev....cause right now there's zero doubt where we're picking. He wants #1 money
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Lets calm down, ofc he's saying he wants to play for clev....cause right now there's zero doubt where we're picking. He wants #1 money
Lets calm down, ofc he's saying he wants to play for clev....cause right now there's zero doubt where we're picking. He wants #1 money
Actually- as I've said in another thread, there is some doubt. It would be so like the Browns to win a game or two (Bengals and\or Chargers) and blow the #1 overall. Right now the 49ers hold the strength of schedule tiebreaker over the Browns. I'll breathe a little easier if they manage to beat the Bears this weekend- they almost pulled a win out against the Dolphins.
And looking at it a little deeper (schedule wise) - should the Browns get really lucky and win two of the last four- the two win Jaguars and Bears are unlikely to win another game.
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I will be incandescent if they blow the first pick
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Well, you absolutely could have a case of two teams at the top of the draft being "QB hungry". The Browns, of course. (Do you believe in Black Jesus?) And the Bears....who I think want to move on from Cutler. Or maybe even the Jets....though they have two totally untested QBs they still have to try out....Petty and Hackenberg. Perhaps not the 49ers if they view Kaepernick as their continuing starter. (He may be the best QB on all the teams I have named here...fair to say?)
Yeah but I don't think it's necessarily super clear cut this year. It could be that Trubisky and Watson go top 2, but at this stage nobody knows anything more than you or I.
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While I agree somewhat.....I think franchise QBs win Superbowls more often than great Ds.....not that you don't need both.
There are outliers: last year, 2005 Steelers, 2000 Ravens.
The thing is this:
Well one possibility is to take the QB and look down on that list where you find Tim Wiliams @17. I have watched Bama some this year and he gets to the QB quite often and is speedier than Allen. In fact it's the two of them together that makes their D work so well against the passing game. Then we can figure out who to take in the two early 2nd round spots, SS or OL.
Edit: they play this Sat. in SEC Championship game @4pm EST-worth a watch to see both play together. Allen has 7 sacks this year and Williams 8.
Well one possibility is to take the QB and look down on that list where you find Tim Wiliams @17. I have watched Bama some this year and he gets to the QB quite often and is speedier than Allen. In fact it's the two of them together that makes their D work so well against the passing game. Then we can figure out who to take in the two early 2nd round spots, SS or OL.
Edit: they play this Sat. in SEC Championship game @4pm EST-worth a watch to see both play together. Allen has 7 sacks this year and Williams 8.
Fair deal. A man a plan Panama!
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Lets calm down, ofc he's saying he wants to play for clev....cause right now there's zero doubt where we're picking. He wants #1 money
Lets calm down, ofc he's saying he wants to play for clev....cause right now there's zero doubt where we're picking. He wants #1 money
ofc? Interpret.
If you are talking Trubisky...and you say he wants #1 money...and we draft him #1...then we give him what he wants. I mean, that is a No Shit Sherlock situation, no?
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Lets calm down, ofc he's saying he wants to play for clev....cause right now there's zero doubt where we're picking. He wants #1 money
Actually- as I've said in another thread, there is some doubt. It would be so like the Browns to win a game or two (Bengals and\or Chargers) and blow the #1 overall. Right now the 49ers hold the strength of schedule tiebreaker over the Browns. I'll breathe a little easier if they manage to beat the Bears this weekend- they almost pulled a win out against the Dolphins.
And looking at it a little deeper (schedule wise) - should the Browns get really lucky and win two of the last four- the two win Jaguars and Bears are unlikely to win another game.
Actually- as I've said in another thread, there is some doubt. It would be so like the Browns to win a game or two (Bengals and\or Chargers) and blow the #1 overall. Right now the 49ers hold the strength of schedule tiebreaker over the Browns. I'll breathe a little easier if they manage to beat the Bears this weekend- they almost pulled a win out against the Dolphins.
And looking at it a little deeper (schedule wise) - should the Browns get really lucky and win two of the last four- the two win Jaguars and Bears are unlikely to win another game.
Maybe Jags don't take MT since they got Bortles. Maybe 49ers don't take him cause they got Kaepernik.
But do you see the Bears passing on him?
If 49ers or Jags do end up with #1....would you see them entertaining offers to trade to someone...other than Browns who would want to go that route?
Browns did it last year. Who else would be a player? Cardinals? Saints for ultimate Brees replacement? Pittsburgh? Jets, clearly. Giants? Bills?
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Actually- as I've said in another thread, there is some doubt. It would be so like the Browns to win a game or two (Bengals and\or Chargers) and blow the #1 overall. Right now the 49ers hold the strength of schedule tiebreaker over the Browns. I'll breathe a little easier if they manage to beat the Bears this weekend- they almost pulled a win out against the Dolphins.
And looking at it a little deeper (schedule wise) - should the Browns get really lucky and win two of the last four- the two win Jaguars and Bears are unlikely to win another game.
Maybe Jags don't take MT since they got Bortles. Maybe 49ers don't take him cause they got Kaepernik.
But do you see the Bears passing on him?
If 49ers or Jags do end up with #1....would you see them entertaining offers to trade to someone...other than Browns who would want to go that route?
Browns did it last year. Who else would be a player? Cardinals? Saints for ultimate Brees replacement? Pittsburgh? Jets, clearly. Giants? Bills?
Maybe Jags don't take MT since they got Bortles. Maybe 49ers don't take him cause they got Kaepernik.
But do you see the Bears passing on him?
If 49ers or Jags do end up with #1....would you see them entertaining offers to trade to someone...other than Browns who would want to go that route?
Browns did it last year. Who else would be a player? Cardinals? Saints for ultimate Brees replacement? Pittsburgh? Jets, clearly. Giants? Bills?
No way in hell Gip. Jets would certainly be in the conversation for a trade up. Once you get past the Niners, Bears, and Jets- it's a long drop off to the next possibility. As you said, Cardinals (currently #9) and Saints (currently #12). Whoever holds the #1 would want a ton to move down that far- like an RG III deal, three firsts and a second.
The Rams gave up two firsts, two seconds, and two thirds to get Goff.
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Actually- as I've said in another thread, there is some doubt. It would be so like the Browns to win a game or two (Bengals and\or Chargers) and blow the #1 overall. Right now the 49ers hold the strength of schedule tiebreaker over the Browns. I'll breathe a little easier if they manage to beat the Bears this weekend- they almost pulled a win out against the Dolphins.
And looking at it a little deeper (schedule wise) - should the Browns get really lucky and win two of the last four- the two win Jaguars and Bears are unlikely to win another game.
Maybe Jags don't take MT since they got Bortles. Maybe 49ers don't take him cause they got Kaepernik.
But do you see the Bears passing on him?
If 49ers or Jags do end up with #1....would you see them entertaining offers to trade to someone...other than Browns who would want to go that route?
Browns did it last year. Who else would be a player? Cardinals? Saints for ultimate Brees replacement? Pittsburgh? Jets, clearly. Giants? Bills?
Maybe Jags don't take MT since they got Bortles. Maybe 49ers don't take him cause they got Kaepernik.
But do you see the Bears passing on him?
If 49ers or Jags do end up with #1....would you see them entertaining offers to trade to someone...other than Browns who would want to go that route?
Browns did it last year. Who else would be a player? Cardinals? Saints for ultimate Brees replacement? Pittsburgh? Jets, clearly. Giants? Bills?
If the 9ers or the Jags got #1 they would both jump on Garrett with both feet because just like us they are in dire need of a pass rusher.
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Crushing News to Camp Trubisky..Sophomore QB Lamar Jackson-6'3" 205 with 4.4 40 times, is ACCPOTY & 1st Team Acc QB announced today. 51 TD's. 30 by Air & 21 by Land finishing 2nd in rushing yards(1538)& 3rd in passing yards. Lamar got 36 votes, Watson got 5 & Conner got 3 as past winners of POTY & Dalvin Cook got 3.. It's never to late in Cleveland, To say "Wait till Next Year" but how bout the year after
#HuegottaBelieveman Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
Maybe Jags don't take MT since they got Bortles. Maybe 49ers don't take him cause they got Kaepernik.
But do you see the Bears passing on him?
If 49ers or Jags do end up with #1....would you see them entertaining offers to trade to someone...other than Browns who would want to go that route?
Browns did it last year. Who else would be a player? Cardinals? Saints for ultimate Brees replacement? Pittsburgh? Jets, clearly. Giants? Bills?
No way in hell Gip. Jets would certainly be in the conversation for a trade up. Once you get past the Niners, Bears, and Jets- it's a long drop off to the next possibility. As you said, Cardinals (currently #9) and Saints (currently #12). Whoever holds the #1 would want a ton to move down that far- like an RG III deal, three firsts and a second.
The Rams gave up two firsts, two seconds, and two thirds to get Goff.
If we trade down again, that certainly means the FO is content with fielding RGIII, McCown, and Kessler (or variation of) next year. If that's the case I sure as hell won't be seeing any games at FE next season.No way in hell Gip. Jets would certainly be in the conversation for a trade up. Once you get past the Niners, Bears, and Jets- it's a long drop off to the next possibility. As you said, Cardinals (currently #9) and Saints (currently #12). Whoever holds the #1 would want a ton to move down that far- like an RG III deal, three firsts and a second.
The Rams gave up two firsts, two seconds, and two thirds to get Goff.
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Maybe Jags don't take MT since they got Bortles. Maybe 49ers don't take him cause they got Kaepernik.
But do you see the Bears passing on him?
If 49ers or Jags do end up with #1....would you see them entertaining offers to trade to someone...other than Browns who would want to go that route?
Browns did it last year. Who else would be a player? Cardinals? Saints for ultimate Brees replacement? Pittsburgh? Jets, clearly. Giants? Bills?
No way in hell Gip. Jets would certainly be in the conversation for a trade up. Once you get past the Niners, Bears, and Jets- it's a long drop off to the next possibility. As you said, Cardinals (currently #9) and Saints (currently #12). Whoever holds the #1 would want a ton to move down that far- like an RG III deal, three firsts and a second.
The Rams gave up two firsts, two seconds, and two thirds to get Goff.
Whoever holds the #1 would want a ton to move down that far- like an RG III deal, three firsts and a second.The Rams gave up two firsts, two seconds, and two thirds to get Goff.
...and the Eagles gave up a bunch for Wentz
...and the Colts wouldn't take ANYthing offered for Luck.
What is that telling us?
It tells us that teams understand the NEED to have that good QB.
The QB is 'off the curve' important.
It's been that way for a loooong time. Otto Graham, Bart Star, Don Meredith, John Unitas, etc, etc. It was ALWAYS teams with good QB's that were consistently winning and vying for championships. (some, of course, didn't have a team around them...shining example, Archie Manning...which is what made Archie such a jerk about where his sons would play)
And the importance of the QB certainly hasn't diminished in today's pass-happy NFL. (in general, it's harder to run in today's nfl with the defensive players being bigger, faster, better than the one's of the Jim Brown days)
We still 'appear' to need a QB. But the QB cannot reach his potential without a good OL, receivers that can get open & catch, and a running game that's capable of keeping a defense honest. It's a team game in that sense...but it's all pretty much moot without the QB....which is why teams will pay 'off the curve' to acquire one.
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Crushing News to Camp Trubisky..Sophomore QB Lamar Jackson-6'3" 205 with 4.4 40 times, is ACCPOTY & 1st Team Acc QB announced today. 51 TD's. 30 by Air & 21 by Land finishing 2nd in rushing yards(1538)& 3rd in passing yards. Lamar got 36 votes, Watson got 5 & Conner got 3 as past winners of POTY & Dalvin Cook got 3.. It's never to late in Cleveland, To say "Wait till Next Year" but how bout the year after
#HuegottaBelieveman Crushing News to Camp Trubisky..Sophomore QB Lamar Jackson-6'3" 205 with 4.4 40 times, is ACCPOTY & 1st Team Acc QB announced today. 51 TD's. 30 by Air & 21 by Land finishing 2nd in rushing yards(1538)& 3rd in passing yards. Lamar got 36 votes, Watson got 5 & Conner got 3 as past winners of POTY & Dalvin Cook got 3.. It's never to late in Cleveland, To say "Wait till Next Year" but how bout the year after
#HuegottaBelieveman sub 60% completion rate and a little over 200lbs plays in nothing that resembles a professional style of football. Maybe we should not draft the college-style players and try drafting NFL-style players. Just a thought
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Crushing News to Camp Trubisky..Sophomore QB Lamar Jackson-6'3" 205 with 4.4 40 times, is ACCPOTY & 1st Team Acc QB announced today. 51 TD's. 30 by Air & 21 by Land finishing 2nd in rushing yards(1538)& 3rd in passing yards. Lamar got 36 votes, Watson got 5 & Conner got 3 as past winners of POTY & Dalvin Cook got 3.. It's never to late in Cleveland, To say "Wait till Next Year" but how bout the year after
#HuegottaBelieveman sub 60% completion rate and a little over 200lbs plays in nothing that resembles a professional style of football. Maybe we should not draft the college-style players and try drafting NFL-style players. Just a thought
sub 60% completion rate and a little over 200lbs plays in nothing that resembles a professional style of football. Maybe we should not draft the college-style players and try drafting NFL-style players. Just a thought
You don't want a strong armed college RB to play QB for the Browns? Me neither.
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In case you don't think a QB can be in play for the #1 overall spot because of a 'weak class', keep in mind this is now an ownership and front office that will have a bit of desperation in trying
to re-energize the fanbase, bring back season ticket sales and get a positive off season buzz going.
Nothing does that faster and more effectively than a 1st round QB.
Does that mean I agree with it? Nope.
But do not for one minute believe it isn't possible.
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Also remember that last year was a weak qb class too
Also bleacher report has Mitch as the top QB of the class aswell with no other QB being a first round QB
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Whoever holds the #1 would want a ton to move down that far- like an RG III deal, three firsts and a second.
The Rams gave up two firsts, two seconds, and two thirds to get Goff.
...and the Eagles gave up a bunch for Wentz
...and the Colts wouldn't take ANYthing offered for Luck.
What is that telling us?
It tells us that teams understand the NEED to have that good QB.
The QB is 'off the curve' important.
It's been that way for a loooong time. Otto Graham, Bart Star, Don Meredith, John Unitas, etc, etc. It was ALWAYS teams with good QB's that were consistently winning and vying for championships. (some, of course, didn't have a team around them...shining example, Archie Manning...which is what made Archie such a jerk about where his sons would play)
And the importance of the QB certainly hasn't diminished in today's pass-happy NFL. (in general, it's harder to run in today's nfl with the defensive players being bigger, faster, better than the one's of the Jim Brown days)
We still 'appear' to need a QB. But the QB cannot reach his potential without a good OL, receivers that can get open & catch, and a running game that's capable of keeping a defense honest. It's a team game in that sense...but it's all pretty much moot without the QB....which is why teams will pay 'off the curve' to acquire one.
...and the Eagles gave up a bunch for Wentz
...and the Colts wouldn't take ANYthing offered for Luck.
What is that telling us?
It tells us that teams understand the NEED to have that good QB.
The QB is 'off the curve' important.
It's been that way for a loooong time. Otto Graham, Bart Star, Don Meredith, John Unitas, etc, etc. It was ALWAYS teams with good QB's that were consistently winning and vying for championships. (some, of course, didn't have a team around them...shining example, Archie Manning...which is what made Archie such a jerk about where his sons would play)
And the importance of the QB certainly hasn't diminished in today's pass-happy NFL. (in general, it's harder to run in today's nfl with the defensive players being bigger, faster, better than the one's of the Jim Brown days)
We still 'appear' to need a QB. But the QB cannot reach his potential without a good OL, receivers that can get open & catch, and a running game that's capable of keeping a defense honest. It's a team game in that sense...but it's all pretty much moot without the QB....which is why teams will pay 'off the curve' to acquire one.
True, black tarkenton and kessler mccoy aren't franchise QBs, are they?
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Crushing News to Camp Trubisky..Sophomore QB Lamar Jackson-6'3" 205 with 4.4 40 times, is ACCPOTY & 1st Team Acc QB announced today. 51 TD's. 30 by Air & 21 by Land finishing 2nd in rushing yards(1538)& 3rd in passing yards. Lamar got 36 votes, Watson got 5 & Conner got 3 as past winners of POTY & Dalvin Cook got 3.. It's never to late in Cleveland, To say "Wait till Next Year" but how bout the year after
#HuegottaBelieveman Crushing News to Camp Trubisky..Sophomore QB Lamar Jackson-6'3" 205 with 4.4 40 times, is ACCPOTY & 1st Team Acc QB announced today. 51 TD's. 30 by Air & 21 by Land finishing 2nd in rushing yards(1538)& 3rd in passing yards. Lamar got 36 votes, Watson got 5 & Conner got 3 as past winners of POTY & Dalvin Cook got 3.. It's never to late in Cleveland, To say "Wait till Next Year" but how bout the year after
#HuegottaBelieveman So we're gonna wait another year for a RG III clone? You can take those 21 rushing TDs and stuff 'em up your a$$ in the pros.
In case you don't think a QB can be in play for the #1 overall spot because of a 'weak class', keep in mind this is now an ownership and front office that will have a bit of desperation in trying
to re-energize the fanbase, bring back season ticket sales and get a positive off season buzz going.
Nothing does that faster and more effectively than a 1st round QB.
Does that mean I agree with it? Nope.
But do not for one minute believe it isn't possible.
See Rams: Goff. Can I start a new mantra? " Make the switch to Mitch"?
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Crushing News to Camp Trubisky..Sophomore QB Lamar Jackson-6'3" 205 with 4.4 40 times, is ACCPOTY & 1st Team Acc QB announced today. 51 TD's. 30 by Air & 21 by Land finishing 2nd in rushing yards(1538)& 3rd in passing yards. Lamar got 36 votes, Watson got 5 & Conner got 3 as past winners of POTY & Dalvin Cook got 3.. It's never to late in Cleveland, To say "Wait till Next Year" but how bout the year after
#HuegottaBelieveman So we're gonna wait another year for a RG III clone? You can take those 21 rushing TDs and stuff 'em up your a$$ in the pros.
In case you don't think a QB can be in play for the #1 overall spot because of a 'weak class', keep in mind this is now an ownership and front office that will have a bit of desperation in trying
to re-energize the fanbase, bring back season ticket sales and get a positive off season buzz going.
Nothing does that faster and more effectively than a 1st round QB.
Does that mean I agree with it? Nope.
But do not for one minute believe it isn't possible.
See Rams: Goff. Can I start a new mantra? " Make the switch to Mitch"?
See Rams: Goff. Can I start a new mantra? " Make the switch to Mitch"?
Don't be a bitch, pass on Mitch? That first place carrot is in the form of Myles Garrett?
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I'm on board with trading for Garrapolo. Kid is a damn winner.
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