Thinking about the draft, first two picks...arguing with myself...
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In a 4-3 Allen is an inside guy I'm sure. In a 3-4 though, no way is he a nose tackle.
There are other spots along the interior line that aren't a 0tech. Also Desmond plays the 3spot primarily.
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Just watch us pass on Garrett. It's the Browns Way.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-jonathan-allen-myles-garrett-first-2017-mock-draft/
The one thing about Garret - his stats aren't as good vs SEC competition as Allens. And, the one thing Garrett needs to
work on, is getting off blocks.
Meanwhile, Allen is unblockable, can come from any angle, any side. There are better blockers in the pros.
I think PFF has it right. Allen is the better pick.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-jonathan-allen-myles-garrett-first-2017-mock-draft/
The one thing about Garret - his stats aren't as good vs SEC competition as Allens. And, the one thing Garrett needs to
work on, is getting off blocks.
Meanwhile, Allen is unblockable, can come from any angle, any side. There are better blockers in the pros.
I think PFF has it right. Allen is the better pick.
Agreed. And I really don't think Myles likes football much.
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There are other spots along the interior line that aren't a 0tech. Also Desmond plays the 3spot primarily.
Fair enough - I guess what I'm saying in terms of tech is that he's at least a 2?
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Which would you be happier with, assuming we stay 3-4?
Option 1
Allen - Shelton - Ogbah
Collins - Kirksey - Davis - Orchard
or
Option 2
Ogbah - Shelton - Meder
Collins - Kirksey - Davis - Garrett
?
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I think we need to concentrate on drafting some wide receivers this April ....
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Fair enough - I guess what I'm saying in terms of tech is that he's at least a 2?
.... Do you know the spots along the Dline?
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Jesus. Our 3 DL consisting of Allen, Shelton, and Bryant sounds pretty nasty. We'd still be missing an elite OLB pass rushing prospect, but still. Only issue with that is I don't see Desmond Bryant coming back. Not sure why I feel that way...but I do. Maybe he's an older, higher priced guy? Perhaps I heard something, but I would sure like to have him back. We need people that can get to the damn QB.
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Only a basic understanding in terms of essentially even numbers lining up over the OL and odds inbetween, starting with the 0 tech on the center and working out. Puts the 5 tech on the outside shoulder of the tackle by that logic which seems...reasonable..... Do you know the spots along the Dline?
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And then the skills and aims (gap responsibility) of the players in those positions vary accordingly.
Obviously being British I've not been raised with the sport as a second language but at a fundamental level it isn't massively complicated. That being said, each time there's a new aspect I'm starting from almost zero in trying to understand.
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Option 3 includes no Ogbah?
Not at 275#... not in my base 3-4.
I like my OLBs to be a little more versatile and Orchard carries that promise to my mind.
Now in a 4-3 look? Sure... a Nassib-Allen-Shelton-Ogbah feels right... backed by Collins-Davis-Kirksey in the base or Collins-Kirksey in the nickel...
Dime? Probably Collins...
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If the season ends as it is today...
That pick from Philly would be... #9 overall.
Does that change any thinking?
We could trade down from #9 to mid-teens and get an extra second-rounder for the trouble.. Or just grab one impact DL plus Trubisky in whatever order FO feels comfortable..
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Jesus. Our 3 DL consisting of Allen, Shelton, and Bryant sounds pretty nasty. We'd still be missing an elite OLB pass rushing prospect, but still. Only issue with that is I don't see Desmond Bryant coming back. Not sure why I feel that way...but I do. Maybe he's an older, higher priced guy? Perhaps I heard something, but I would sure like to have him back. We need people that can get to the damn QB.
Jesus. Our 3 DL consisting of Allen, Shelton, and Bryant sounds pretty nasty. We'd still be missing an elite OLB pass rushing prospect, but still. Only issue with that is I don't see Desmond Bryant coming back. Not sure why I feel that way...but I do. Maybe he's an older, higher priced guy? Perhaps I heard something, but I would sure like to have him back. We need people that can get to the damn QB.
or....err, uh, or....we need a QB
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And then the skills and aims (gap responsibility) of the players in those positions vary accordingly.
Obviously being British I've not been raised with the sport as a second language but at a fundamental level it isn't massively complicated. That being said, each time there's a new aspect I'm starting from almost zero in trying to understand.
And then the skills and aims (gap responsibility) of the players in those positions vary accordingly.
Obviously being British I've not been raised with the sport as a second language but at a fundamental level it isn't massively complicated. That being said, each time there's a new aspect I'm starting from almost zero in trying to understand.
Vince Lombardi said it: its all about blocking and tackling.
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If the season ends as it is today...
That pick from Philly would be... #9 overall.
Does that change any thinking?
We could trade down from #9 to mid-teens and get an extra second-rounder for the trouble.. Or just grab one impact DL plus Trubisky in whatever order FO feels comfortable..
If the season ends as it is today...
That pick from Philly would be... #9 overall.
Does that change any thinking?
We could trade down from #9 to mid-teens and get an extra second-rounder for the trouble.. Or just grab one impact DL plus Trubisky in whatever order FO feels comfortable..
Trubisky will have to be taken #1 overall. He will not last beyond the top 3.....and unless the Browns have both 1 an 2, they will have to pick him 1.
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Jesus. Our 3 DL consisting of Allen, Shelton, and Bryant sounds pretty nasty. We'd still be missing an elite OLB pass rushing prospect, but still. Only issue with that is I don't see Desmond Bryant coming back. Not sure why I feel that way...but I do. Maybe he's an older, higher priced guy? Perhaps I heard something, but I would sure like to have him back. We need people that can get to the damn QB.
or....err, uh, or....we need a QB
or....err, uh, or....we need a QB
Vince Lombardi said it: its all about blocking and tackling.
Consecutive posts no less...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
NO to any QB with #1 pick.
Garrett is the sexy choice.
Allen is the smart move.
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