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Thinking about the draft, first two picks...arguing with myself...

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  • C calfoxwc

    @texasag1969 said:

    Just watch us pass on Garrett. It's the Browns Way.

    http://www.espn.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/117798/the-sec-dl-who-will-have-the-best-2016-is-myles-garrett-vs-jonathan-allen

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-jonathan-allen-myles-garrett-first-2017-mock-draft/

    The one thing about Garret - his stats aren't as good vs SEC competition as Allens. And, the one thing Garrett needs to

    work on, is getting off blocks.

    Meanwhile, Allen is unblockable, can come from any angle, any side. There are better blockers in the pros.

    I think PFF has it right. Allen is the better pick.

    @calfoxwc said:

    http://www.espn.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/117798/the-sec-dl-who-will-have-the-best-2016-is-myles-garrett-vs-jonathan-allen

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-jonathan-allen-myles-garrett-first-2017-mock-draft/

    The one thing about Garret - his stats aren't as good vs SEC competition as Allens. And, the one thing Garrett needs to

    work on, is getting off blocks.

    Meanwhile, Allen is unblockable, can come from any angle, any side. There are better blockers in the pros.

    I think PFF has it right. Allen is the better pick.

    Agreed. And I really don't think Myles likes football much.

  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    @gftchris said:

    In a 4-3 Allen is an inside guy I'm sure. In a 3-4 though, no way is he a nose tackle.

    There are other spots along the interior line that aren't a 0tech. Also Desmond plays the 3spot primarily.

    @tiamat63 said:

    There are other spots along the interior line that aren't a 0tech. Also Desmond plays the 3spot primarily.

    Fair enough - I guess what I'm saying in terms of tech is that he's at least a 2?

    tiamat63T 1 Reply

  • Also tend to lean Allen at this point... seems made for 3-4 DE and can slide inside in four-man fronts for nickel and dime packages.

    Garrett carries conversion risk and overwhelmingly lines up at RDE putting him opposite NFL level LTs.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • Which would you be happier with, assuming we stay 3-4?

    Option 1

    Allen - Shelton - Ogbah

    Collins - Kirksey - Davis - Orchard

    or

    Option 2

    Ogbah - Shelton - Meder

    Collins - Kirksey - Davis - Garrett

    ?

  • Option 3:

    Allen - Shelton - Bryant

    Orchard - Kirksey - Davis - Collins

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • I think we need to concentrate on drafting some wide receivers this April ....

  • Option 3 includes no Ogbah?

    Tour2maT 1 Reply
  • gftChrisG gftChris

    @tiamat63 said:

    There are other spots along the interior line that aren't a 0tech. Also Desmond plays the 3spot primarily.

    Fair enough - I guess what I'm saying in terms of tech is that he's at least a 2?

    @gftchris said:

    Fair enough - I guess what I'm saying in terms of tech is that he's at least a 2?

    .... Do you know the spots along the Dline?

    gftChrisG 1 Reply

  • Jesus. Our 3 DL consisting of Allen, Shelton, and Bryant sounds pretty nasty. We'd still be missing an elite OLB pass rushing prospect, but still. Only issue with that is I don't see Desmond Bryant coming back. Not sure why I feel that way...but I do. Maybe he's an older, higher priced guy? Perhaps I heard something, but I would sure like to have him back. We need people that can get to the damn QB.

    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    @gftchris said:

    Fair enough - I guess what I'm saying in terms of tech is that he's at least a 2?

    .... Do you know the spots along the Dline?

    @tiamat63 said:

    .... Do you know the spots along the Dline?

    Only a basic understanding in terms of essentially even numbers lining up over the OL and odds inbetween, starting with the 0 tech on the center and working out. Puts the 5 tech on the outside shoulder of the tackle by that logic which seems...reasonable.

  • And then the skills and aims (gap responsibility) of the players in those positions vary accordingly.

    Obviously being British I've not been raised with the sport as a second language but at a fundamental level it isn't massively complicated. That being said, each time there's a new aspect I'm starting from almost zero in trying to understand.

    The GipperT tiamat63T 2 Replies
  • gftChrisG gftChris

    Option 3 includes no Ogbah?

    @gftchris said:

    Option 3 includes no Ogbah?

    Not at 275#... not in my base 3-4.

    I like my OLBs to be a little more versatile and Orchard carries that promise to my mind.

    Now in a 4-3 look? Sure... a Nassib-Allen-Shelton-Ogbah feels right... backed by Collins-Davis-Kirksey in the base or Collins-Kirksey in the nickel...

    Dime? Probably Collins...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • If the season ends as it is today...

    That pick from Philly would be... #9 overall.

    Does that change any thinking?

    We could trade down from #9 to mid-teens and get an extra second-rounder for the trouble.. Or just grab one impact DL plus Trubisky in whatever order FO feels comfortable..

    The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown
    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • jiggins7919J jiggins7919

    Jesus. Our 3 DL consisting of Allen, Shelton, and Bryant sounds pretty nasty. We'd still be missing an elite OLB pass rushing prospect, but still. Only issue with that is I don't see Desmond Bryant coming back. Not sure why I feel that way...but I do. Maybe he's an older, higher priced guy? Perhaps I heard something, but I would sure like to have him back. We need people that can get to the damn QB.

    @jiggins7919 said:

    Jesus. Our 3 DL consisting of Allen, Shelton, and Bryant sounds pretty nasty. We'd still be missing an elite OLB pass rushing prospect, but still. Only issue with that is I don't see Desmond Bryant coming back. Not sure why I feel that way...but I do. Maybe he's an older, higher priced guy? Perhaps I heard something, but I would sure like to have him back. We need people that can get to the damn QB.

    or....err, uh, or....we need a QB

    Tour2maT 1 Reply
  • gftChrisG gftChris

    And then the skills and aims (gap responsibility) of the players in those positions vary accordingly.

    Obviously being British I've not been raised with the sport as a second language but at a fundamental level it isn't massively complicated. That being said, each time there's a new aspect I'm starting from almost zero in trying to understand.

    @gftchris said:

    And then the skills and aims (gap responsibility) of the players in those positions vary accordingly.

    Obviously being British I've not been raised with the sport as a second language but at a fundamental level it isn't massively complicated. That being said, each time there's a new aspect I'm starting from almost zero in trying to understand.

    Vince Lombardi said it: its all about blocking and tackling.

    darren15D 1 Reply
  • U Unsympathetic

    If the season ends as it is today...

    That pick from Philly would be... #9 overall.

    Does that change any thinking?

    We could trade down from #9 to mid-teens and get an extra second-rounder for the trouble.. Or just grab one impact DL plus Trubisky in whatever order FO feels comfortable..

    @unsympathetic said:

    If the season ends as it is today...

    That pick from Philly would be... #9 overall.

    Does that change any thinking?

    We could trade down from #9 to mid-teens and get an extra second-rounder for the trouble.. Or just grab one impact DL plus Trubisky in whatever order FO feels comfortable..

    Trubisky will have to be taken #1 overall. He will not last beyond the top 3.....and unless the Browns have both 1 an 2, they will have to pick him 1.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @jiggins7919 said:

    Jesus. Our 3 DL consisting of Allen, Shelton, and Bryant sounds pretty nasty. We'd still be missing an elite OLB pass rushing prospect, but still. Only issue with that is I don't see Desmond Bryant coming back. Not sure why I feel that way...but I do. Maybe he's an older, higher priced guy? Perhaps I heard something, but I would sure like to have him back. We need people that can get to the damn QB.

    or....err, uh, or....we need a QB

    @the-gipper said:

    or....err, uh, or....we need a QB

    @the-gipper said:

    Vince Lombardi said it: its all about blocking and tackling.

    Consecutive posts no less...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
    The GipperT 1 Reply

  • I thought we wanted Myles Garrett? If we keep Jaimee Collins and draft Garrett that would be a start

    DAMN THE TORPEDOES! FULL SPEED AHEAD!

  • NO to any QB with #1 pick.

    Garrett is the sexy choice.

    Allen is the smart move.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @gftchris said:

    And then the skills and aims (gap responsibility) of the players in those positions vary accordingly.

    Obviously being British I've not been raised with the sport as a second language but at a fundamental level it isn't massively complicated. That being said, each time there's a new aspect I'm starting from almost zero in trying to understand.

    Vince Lombardi said it: its all about blocking and tackling.

    @the-gipper said:

    Vince Lombardi said it: its all about blocking and tackling.

    Who cares what Vince Lombardi said are you not more interested in Michael Lombardi's thoughts 🙂

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