The Bradley Effect
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Exactly.No other group near that size is as monolithic.
Blacks make up 12% of the population. Next you're going to get on the Jews for voting for Lieberman. Well, bad example.
What does this have to do with the Bradley Effect, anyway? Were you just jonesing to use the word "Negro"?
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One of Alo's posts discusses this more effectively, Steve, than I can.
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I'm afraid I still don't get what you want the media to do, John. Say that black people voted for Obama because he's black, but that it's okay?The problem with that, as I've mentioned, is that 88% of African-American voters went for Kerry in 2004. So that 96% - given alone - is a pretty misleading statistic.
Many of those voters would have voted Democratic anyway, so it's hard for a journalist to go out and say, "African-Americans voted for Obama because he's black."
I'm sure some did, but I don't get how making broad conclusions about a racial group's motivations helps any.
And I agree with Shep's argument above about understanding our society and our nation's past. We've had three African-American US Senators since Reconstruction ended. Three.
Not only does that show how amazing yesterday was, but it illuminates why some African-American voters value voting for African-American candidates.
If you think that people who look like you have trouble getting elected, wouldn't you do what you could to make sure that that political barrier was knocked down?
And what about religious minorities? Was it wrong for a Catholic to vote for Al Smith or JFK because they thought Catholics should have equal rights in this country? Or what about a Mormon supporting Romney because they're sick of religious tolerance?
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I'm not saying Obama has anything to do with it, other than he was the dude elected.The fact is, the more racist/intolerant generations are slowly but surely dying out.
In the US or world wide, mz the pussy? Just so I understand what you are saying.
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U.S.I have no idea what's going on world-wide...it varies.
Thanks for the clarification.
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Exactly.
No other group near that size is as monolithic.
Blacks make up 12% of the population. Next you're going to get on the Jews for voting for Lieberman. Well, bad example.
Jews didn't vote for Lieberman in a bloc. So yes, bad example.
No minority group votes that homogenetically.
What does this have to do with the Bradley Effect, anyway? Were you just jonesing to use the word "Negro"?
Think hard to what I said.
There is no Bradley effect, only some innacurate polling IMO.
It's a phony story repeated hourly to remind, uh, blacks, not to sleep in on election day.
"You can't trust the caucasians!!"
I said that before and YOU agreed calling it "politics 101."
WSS
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What are your thoughts, John? Do you agree?I don't disagree but I probably see a time line longer than you do. You did say generations, if I remember correctly, so we might be on the same page.
Right now, there are plenty of Black Racists and White Racists and Yellow Racists to go around.
If you were talking about internationally, I would strongly disagree.
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What are your thoughts, John? Do you agree?I don't disagree but I probably see a time line longer than you do. You did say generations, if I remember correctly, so we might be on the same page.
Right now, there are plenty of Black Racists and White Racists and Yellow Racists to go around.
We're on the same page. Baby steps. I think we've come a very long way as a society since the 1950's, but there is still a tremendous amount of work to do. This election is just another of the steps...these things do take time.
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If you were talking about internationally, I would strongly disagree.Same here.
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So, Steve, you think there's no such thing as subconscious/unconscious racism or conscious embarrassment over one's racism? It's all made up?Not entirely made up but used improperly in that instance.
It just doesn't ring true that someone who hates negroes so badly he'd refuse to vote for one even though they share ideology would feel ashamed to tell a pollster he voted for the other guy.
(The most racist guy I know is your typical blue collar union Democrat and he voted for [Obama].)
Exit polls have been notoriously innacurate.
I say these guys just f*cked up.
WSS
This phenomenon exists with many other feelings...why should racism be excluded.
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I disagree...I believe some people are extremely embarrassed re: how they feel about things.But OK.
I'm embarassed that for the magnificent chapter that was written in the civil rights movement yesterday, the only thing I can focus on is the silly, insignificant P. Diddy quote, (paraphrasing, after he voted) "I feel like Dr. Martin Luther King right now."
Do you really?
(If you're wondering what that noise is, it's the corpse of Dr. Martin Luther King head-butting the inside of his casket)
Honestly, I hope that President-elect Obama's presidency does more to heal race relations than his campaign (and the media circus) chose to.
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he silly, insignificant P. Diddy quote, (paraphrasing, after he voted) "I feel like Dr. Martin Luther King right now."Do you really?
Dammit, I wish I had heard this before I voted; I would have told the exit-pollers that I felt like P. Diddy right now.
LOL.
I'm just glad it's over and I don't feel like David Duke anymore for not voting for the guy...
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