Let's Be Honest
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DA's complete inability to throw the short pass makes me want to pull my hair out and this is just part of what will be his downfall under this new staff. He is immobile and can't throw a screen. This makes his game completely one dimensional.
Quinn, while not having DA's rocket arm can still make most of those downfield throws, he's mobile and shows touch on the short stuff.
Remember the Denver post article which claimed Quinn was never being considered as trade bait. He's getting his shot here. He's a quality kid and very intelligent. He fits in well with what Mangini is trying to do. The FO has done what they needed to do to give him the chance to be successful with a new center, keeping Edwards and adding two big WR's.
He'll be the starting QB and have every chance to prove his worth..
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I'm all for a hybrid model at this point. Give Quinn the #1 reps going into the preseason, but be open to someone (even DA) beating him out.
Which teams don't have QB competitions? The Patriots, Colts, Chargers, Bears (now), Bengals, Steelers, Ravens, and a handful of others. That's because they have established starters. Quinn hasn't established anything at this point. I think he can, and I hope he will. But please, this "no competition" thing is crazy; how many teams have been successful by looking at one of their QBs and saying, well, the other guy was bad last year, so you're our unquestioned starter! If he earns it, great. If not, well, maybe Savage didn't find the acorn after all.
Dennis
Which teams don't have QB competitions? The Patriots, Colts, Chargers, Bears (now), Bengals, Steelers, Ravens, and a handful of others.
Atlanta, Seattle, Jacksonville, Tennessee, St. Louis, Green Bay, Arizona and Philadelphia.
These teams are pretty well set as well. Gerard, Bulger, Rogers, Ryan, Warner, McNabb and Collins are pretty much set in stone.....There is a common thread with a good percentage of these fifteen teams. They are playoff teams or not far away from being a playoff team. Only a few are not close.
Set you starter and allow him to develope as that. I think it's a better to send a signal to the the team that one guy is our guy. We need to work with him. Then when it comes to who may be starting, bitter rivalries and divisions won't take place between various members of the team. They will all be on the same page.
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He should name the starter... Quinn.
The Browns are paying this kid way to much money to sell power drinks and fresh made sandwiches ... its all or nothing right now with Quinn...everyone is covered...the coach can say he wasnt my guy (and all that crap), and we can chalk him up as another of our many many busts in the modern era... who cares at this point ???
"Open QB competition"... ??????? omg, I think i'm going to puke...we have sucked for so long.... I have had it !!!!
Get on with it Browns, for goodness sake.
The real funny part is that BQ really wants to lead this team, its been his life-long dream....how can anyone deny him of that chance ???? here's a NFL expert thought... LET HIN FREAKIN PLAY !!!!!!!!!!!!...give him the keys NOW !!!!!!!!!!! what are we going to lose anyway ???? games ???? seasons ???? coaches ????...the only thing we will lose is a quarterback.
The jets will have some 5th stringer next season Mangini can gratify himself over.....gesh.
Bermeck (irritated, 4 months out...not good .... lol)
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you guys need to chill about all this, the entire offense is beign geared for a quinn type passer. he will be the starter, hell the whole competition may just be blowing smoke. we drafted a center, 2 wideouts that arn't know for speed, but hands and routes underneath. we traded away our big time recieving TE for blocking TEs. not to mention mangini, daboll, and pretty much everyone else on the team comes from the ball control mindset, and are basically furthest you can get from vertical passing game coaches you'll find. BQ will be starting, at this point QB talk is moot.
ya it sux that he may not get all the reps, but who knows maybe it may not carry into the preseason games, and just the first month of camp. there is just no way on earth that they will put DA behind center and have him throw short passes all day. it would be just too much coaching work to coach him to be able to throw short passes, even if its possible. mangini seems very smart when it comes to football, i'm sure all the shitty passing hes seen on film is even worse for him watching it, and i see no way he'll run a vertical passing game similar to DA's strengths, as it doesn't take teams to the SB anymore, and he knows that. Mangini i'm sure wants to trade DA very badly, he wont get much value if they declare BQ the starter, and DA is on the bench.
and don't forget, DA folds like a cheap suit under pressure. the very fact that he has to compete is the main reason he'll lose the competition.
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you guys need to chill about all this, the entire offense is beign geared for a quinn type passer. he will be the starter, hell the whole competition may just be blowing smoke. we drafted a center, 2 wideouts that arn't know for speed, but hands and routes underneath. we traded away our big time recieving TE for blocking TEs. not to mention mangini, daboll, and pretty much everyone else on the team comes from the ball control mindset, and are basically furthest you can get from vertical passing game coaches you'll find. BQ will be starting, at this point QB talk is moot.
ya it sux that he may not get all the reps, but who knows maybe it may not carry into the preseason games, and just the first month of camp. there is just no way on earth that they will put DA behind center and have him throw short passes all day. it would be just too much coaching work to coach him to be able to throw short passes, even if its possible. mangini seems very smart when it comes to football, i'm sure all the shitty passing hes seen on film is even worse for him watching it, and i see no way he'll run a vertical passing game similar to DA's strengths, as it doesn't take teams to the SB anymore, and he knows that. Mangini i'm sure wants to trade DA very badly, he wont get much value if they declare BQ the starter, and DA is on the bench.
and don't forget, DA folds like a cheap suit under pressure. the very fact that he has to compete is the main reason he'll lose the competition.
you guys need to chill about all this, the entire offense is beign geared for a quinn type passer. he will be the starter, hell the whole competition may just be blowing smoke. we drafted a center, 2 wideouts that arn't know for speed, but hands and routes underneath. we traded away our big time recieving TE for blocking TEs. not to mention mangini, daboll, and pretty much everyone else on the team comes from the ball control mindset, and are basically furthest you can get from vertical passing game coaches you'll find. BQ will be starting, at this point QB talk is moot.
ya it sux that he may not get all the reps, but who knows maybe it may not carry into the preseason games, and just the first month of camp. there is just no way on earth that they will put DA behind center and have him throw short passes all day. it would be just too much coaching work to coach him to be able to throw short passes, even if its possible. mangini seems very smart when it comes to football, i'm sure all the shitty passing hes seen on film is even worse for him watching it, and i see no way he'll run a vertical passing game similar to DA's strengths, as it doesn't take teams to the SB anymore, and he knows that. Mangini i'm sure wants to trade DA very badly, he wont get much value if they declare BQ the starter, and DA is on the bench.
and don't forget, DA folds like a cheap suit under pressure. the very fact that he has to compete is the main reason he'll lose the competition.
Alendor Is that You Pat DiLillo???
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<<<<mangini seems very smart when it comes to football, i'm sure all the shitty passing hes seen on film is even worse for him watching it,>>>>
Thats true... I dont hate the guy...but the only thing we have seen from him is career networking... week 1 might end up being an x-jet MLM / recruiting seminar..."get an x-jet and tell 3 of your freinds and family to do the same....cya at the top, Browns fans !".
Didnt realize the Jets had such a winning powerhouse the last few years...feels good to get some of thier past depth.... gesh.
Bermeck (smelling like 3 - 13 .... until it feels different, thats what you got)
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@shepwrite said:
Yeah, I would say if Quinn doesn't start, he must really suck. But that's hard to swallow if you watched the Denver game or his cameo late 2007, with the two dropped TD passes, or his preseason in 2007.That said, you'd have to be concerned that two straight administrations just refused to give him an extended look. Maybe he's like Drew Stanton or Charlie Frye in practice, like shockingly bad (!).
Shep, Quinn has never really been given a shot in preseason. His first year he didn't get signed and Frye was given the job for one game then Anderson took over. Last year they went into camp after after a 10-6 season and said right up front that it was Anderson's job.
So, I don't think it's been that Quinn has played bad in preseason, he needs to compete on equal ground. This year, I believe it is his job to lose. DA does look good when they are playing in shorts, without contact. Bnut, that won't be enough this year because this staff has his body of work to go by.
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@shepwrite said:
Mangini really wanted Ratliff. He thinks the kid has a chance to be a very good quarterback in this league. I have to think he meant as a backup, not a third stringer. My gut says Anderson still gets moved.Just read today that Mangini won't name a starter "before training camp." That's interesting wording.
These guys are totally trying to avoid all the nonsense from the media by putting an end to all the QB talk now. Not a bad plan really. Hell, I even get sick of hearing about it.
Much as Phillip put an end to it by signing DA and naming him the starter these guys are just flat refusing to address it.
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I haven't posted since last summer but I guess the QB debate is still the main topic on this board...WOW These two players have really polarized the Browns nation
For what it's worth, I really could care less who starts for my Browns and yes, I'd like to see what we spent a 1st and 2nd on in the draft...Keep in mind the one piece of the puzzle that Savage couldn't find in Baltimore was the QB position...Is that position his achilles tendon.....
My most major complaint with Romeo last year is that he did not play Quinn early... Anderson was coming off a concussion and clearly played with cobwebs in his head all season... He never really recovered and couldn't process all the information fast enough... When he did, Edwards dropped the ball... Edwards sucked the air out our team last year...We should have learned about Quinn last year PERIOD.....
Anderson is this era's Testeverde, that arm is something special... Be it Quinn or Anderson I'll bet Mangini plays the one who is gonna allow him to keep his job the longest...Neither are his boys and if Quinns not the one he may borrow a line from his mentor and claim something about diminishing skills.... Lightning may strike twice... The difference is, Mangini is not a rookie coach (Palmer, Davis and Romeo were all rookies), He's learned to do what he has to do to keep his job---at that my friends is to win ballgames......
T. Dawg
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@shepwrite said:
It's not that I don't get that point of view, Dennis. I do. But we're talking about a 24 year old QB in a new offense. He'd benefit from every rep. It's basically what they did with Anderson last year: Say that Quinn is the starter until he isn't. He'll start the opener and that's the only guarantee.But splitting reps and preseason quarters... I'm not fan of it when you're dealing with youngsters.
Oops, my thanks to this post was accidental.
I'm trying to figure out this post.... are you saying they gave DA the job and didn't have him splitting reps, or are you saying they screwed DA by naming him the QB and not giving him reps in preseason. Remember, he only had the ball 3 drives or so all preseason.
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I would be happy with Tim Couch being the QB next year if he had a 100 QB rating. I don't care who wins the competition but I believe it will be a fair competition. I also believe that Mangini will play the QB who gives him the best chance to win. The best thing that can happen is that one QB clearly steps up and plays better than the other ones during camp and the preseason.
There are too many QBs to have a coin flip, this would require a rock/paper/scissors competition
I would be happy with Tim Couch being the QB next year if he had a 100 QB rating. I don't care who wins the competition but I believe it will be a fair competition. I also believe that Mangini will play the QB who gives him the best chance to win. The best thing that can happen is that one QB clearly steps up and plays better than the other ones during camp and the preseason.
There are too many QBs to have a coin flip, this would require a rock/paper/scissors competition
I agree.
And the thing about this is the coach and GM really have no irions in the fire other than wanting the best player under center.
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Does anybody really believe that, barring an injury, somebody other than Quinn will start opening day?
Either you are living in a dream world or the Browns (i.e. Savage) is a complete idiot for drafting such an incompetent QB.
Quinn starts.
If not, this organization is screwed up BIG TIME.
Does anybody really believe that, barring an injury, somebody other than Quinn will start opening day?
Either you are living in a dream world or the Browns (i.e. Savage) is a complete idiot for drafting such an incompetent QB.
Quinn starts.
If not, this organization is screwed up BIG TIME.
If there wasn't any doubt then there wouldn't be most of the 35 posts in this thread begging for Quinn to be handed the job without competition.
That's because we all know that in an open competition the 6'3" Quinn has little chance against the 6'6" Pro Bowler.
We also know that Mangini isn't concerned with fan opinion. Hell, with training camp closed to fans, BQ Nation can't even go boo DA and chant BRAY-DEE.
Quinn's only hope for starting in 2009 is for Randy Lerner to step in and force Mangini to do it.
And without that starting nod, and with his 11 mil waving bye-bye, we all know Quinn will be looking for a trade so he can pick up his 70% reps.
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@shepwrite said:
But splitting reps and preseason quarters... I'm not fan of it when you're dealing with youngsters.unless it's Anderson's job. Then you bitch all summer long about wanting more split time.
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@shepwrite said:
But splitting reps and preseason quarters... I'm not fan of it when you're dealing with youngsters.unless it's Anderson's job. Then you bitch all summer long about wanting more split time.
unless it's Anderson's job. Then you bitch all summer long about wanting more split time.
If Quinn cannot beat out Anderson in his third year, he is a stiff and was a wasted draft pick. I believe he is neither.
This is a Mangini (Belichick) ploy. Quinn starts. Bottom line.
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If Quinn cannot beat out Anderson in his third year, he is a stiff and was a wasted draft pick. I believe he is neither.
the fact that you think he's awesome after three games of suck doesn't matter to the team or coaches deciding the QB.
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Guys just chill, the ONLY (1) reason Quinn hasn't been named the starter is because he doesn't want to turn DA's value from a 6th rounder to NOTHING AT ALL.
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If Quinn cannot beat out Anderson in his third year, he is a stiff and was a wasted draft pick. I believe he is neither.
the fact that you think he's awesome after three games of suck doesn't matter to the team or coaches deciding the QB.
the fact that you think he's awesome after three games of suck doesn't matter to the team or coaches deciding the QB.
Your an idiot! I hate you!
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If Quinn cannot beat out Anderson in his third year, he is a stiff and was a wasted draft pick. I believe he is neither.
the fact that you think he's awesome after three games of suck doesn't matter to the team or coaches deciding the QB.
it doesn't matter what you believe.
What do you really beleive?
Will DA be our starter? If not not is it a conspiracy? Are you a Browns fan? What makes you happy? Are you ever a positive person?
Have you ever tortured small animals? Were you beaten up by the school bully? How short are you?
What is your Deal?
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Guys just chill, the ONLY (1) reason Quinn hasn't been named the starter is because he doesn't want to turn DA's value from a 6th rounder to NOTHING AT ALL.
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