Camp Allen
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Took my time this weekend going over film from middle to back half of 2015, and now the bulk of 2016. Generally I like to wait for bowl games, but I feel this might be one of the uncommon times
where I settle on my target. Allow me to clarify, I have no issues with Myles Garrett. But something in my bones is telling me I feel Allen to be the more steady pick of the two. Not unlike the differences in how Amari Cooper and Kevin White were viewed around here.
The Church of Allen welcomes all, dear friends. Discuss.
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I have firmly been in Camp Allen for a bit. "Steady' is a good word to use for Allen. No matter the competition, Allen shows up.
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Allen is a handful to say the least, and the hope is you get a guy like Aaron Donald. Someone who has a noticeable impact on the game. You have to wonder how that would look if Shelton continues to get better. You'd have to account for those guys every play. It could be nasty.
Go to this link and watch the Vines and videos of Allen. The first one, Allen literally flew over a chop block and body splashed the QB. Not sure I've ever seen that from a 6'3 290 player. The last one...well...the last one shows what Allen did to a guy in high school, and I'm not sure the guy is out of therapy yet. Physical AND mental therapy.
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I like both Garrett and Allen but Allen is just impressive in how versatile and athletic he is. Definitely would be very happy with him as our #1 pick, he's got game-changing potential to him no doubt.
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Allen is where I started, but the woo-birds have me thinking about Garrett now.
Allen seems a sure fire, 3-4 DE fit and a great DT for four-man looks in nickles and dimes. High floor... very, very low risk...
Garrett is the sexy choice. Has the higher ceiling/ impact potential, but... and I am still hung up on the same "but"... he brings more risk to a 3-4.
Then there's the disposition we've discussed a couple times...
And lately I have been thinking on a third difference as well that leans me Allen's way. Durability... not in the sense that Garrett's more injury prone or anything, but rather that his key, innate component, speed is more susceptible to injury diminishment than Allen's keys: "quicks" and strength.
All that said... I do not think there is a bad choice between the two, but there is a safer one.
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i see allen as a perfect 3-4 olb'er. Send him deep in man 1.
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i see allen as a perfect 3-4 olb'er. Send him deep in man 1.
i see allen as a perfect 3-4 olb'er. Send him deep in man 1.
I get you're trying to be sarcastic... but to what end?
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Allen is where I started, but the woo-birds have me thinking about Garrett now.
Allen seems a sure fire, 3-4 DE fit and a great DT for four-man looks in nickles and dimes. High floor... very, very low risk...
Garrett is the sexy choice. Has the higher ceiling/ impact potential, but... and I am still hung up on the same "but"... he brings more risk to a 3-4.
Then there's the disposition we've discussed a couple times...
And lately I have been thinking on a third difference as well that leans me Allen's way. Durability... not in the sense that Garrett's more injury prone or anything, but rather that his key, innate component, speed is more susceptible to injury diminishment than Allen's keys: "quicks" and strength.
All that said... I do not think there is a bad choice between the two, but there is a safer one.
Allen is where I started, but the woo-birds have me thinking about Garrett now.
Allen seems a sure fire, 3-4 DE fit and a great DT for four-man looks in nickles and dimes. High floor... very, very low risk...
Garrett is the sexy choice. Has the higher ceiling/ impact potential, but... and I am still hung up on the same "but"... he brings more risk to a 3-4.
Then there's the disposition we've discussed a couple times...
And lately I have been thinking on a third difference as well that leans me Allen's way. Durability... not in the sense that Garrett's more injury prone or anything, but rather that his key, innate component, speed is more susceptible to injury diminishment than Allen's keys: "quicks" and strength.
All that said... I do not think there is a bad choice between the two, but there is a safer one.
Those are my additional thoughts.
Ultimately with a franchise devoid of talent, seeking impact and lasting picks - I see Allen as the safer, thus smarter play.
His first step isn't Aaron Donald, as he's a tad bigger. That said,it isn't far off.
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i see allen as a perfect 3-4 olb'er. Send him deep in man 1.
I get you're trying to be sarcastic... but to what end?
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but yeah count me in to camp ogbah. Even if we stay in this stupid 3-4 he's the better pick. Even better if we go to the 4-3 next year as he can play inside and strong side DE. Dude takes the shortest route to the QB of all the pass rushers i see coming out this year.
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Leaning this way but I'm gonna wait until I see what pick we have, injury status after bowl games, etc. There are a lot of guys I'm cool with right now.
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Our o line is min 2 years away from being able to keep a rookie from dying before our 1st bye week. So im in no mood for a QB with the 1st pick
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that makes no sense, as usual. you want to draft oline with the first pick?
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that makes no sense, as usual. you want to draft oline with the first pick?
Wait....what?
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that makes no sense, as usual. you want to draft oline with the first pick?
I'm vexed on many levels. First off, this is a camp allen thread...to which I've said I belong. And that is in large part to do with the fact that there is no, as far as I know, o line prospect that would warrant the 1st pick. Second, what are you not getting about the potential folly of drafting a QB with the 1st pick when we can't get our line situation figured out? This season we've had 4 QB's get hurt....what sense does it make to add another one for next year?
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To build off Cleve's points - I'm looking at a scenario where the front office trades down a potential top 10 Philly pick (not too far, mind you - 16,17) where we can net an additional 2nd rounder. At that point take Elflein and see where Watson, Mitch and Kizer fall.
If San Fran doesn't go QB at 3 or if Chicago doesn't as well, one of those 3 could very likely be available with our first pick in the 2nd.
Afterwards at that point I look at DB, TE and linebacker. Sorry, not sold on Foster as a top 10 backer. At least, not at the moment.
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Would anyone be opposed to trading down to the #3 pick? Bortles looks like he might be done in Jax, and they're gonna be looking for a QB. I feel like we can still get Allen with the #3 pick...
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Would anyone be opposed to trading down to the #3 pick? Bortles looks like he might be done in Jax, and they're gonna be looking for a QB. I feel like we can still get Allen with the #3 pick...
Would anyone be opposed to trading down to the #3 pick? Bortles looks like he might be done in Jax, and they're gonna be looking for a QB. I feel like we can still get Allen with the #3 pick...
IF they offer a trade up, it's for a QB. I MAAAAAAY be willing to listen to that. Because at which point you're still guaranteed Allen or Garrett.
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But people will say that someone moving up for a QB proves there is a QB worth taking in this draft. And most agree that if there is one, we should take him.
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