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  • McCown's retiring, no doubt. He should be retained though on staff.

  • If Cutler can accept a backup role and comes in with a good attitude then I really like that idea. Not sure if he does either. I find it difficult to keep McCown another year because he can't actually play football. And at some point, no matter how good of a locker room guy you are, that matters.

  • McCown's retiring, no doubt. He should be retained though on staff.

    @clevfan4life said:

    McCown's retiring, no doubt. He should be retained though on staff.

    If he decides to go that way, he just might become a good HC. Not many can coach up a QB anymore and he seems to have a knack. That maybe something to keep in mind next year when we could be faced with an interim HC and looking for a new one type situation.
  • Here's mine:

    Step 0: Resign - Resign Jonathan Cooper as RG and Terrelle Pryor at WR. These two cannot be allowed to hit the FA market.

    Step 0.5: Free Agency - Sign Luke Joeckel at RT either Stephon Gilmore and DJ Hayden at CB - both would be suitable acquisitions as they are both young (26) and will likely not receive gigantic contracts due to underperformance. This would give us two young, talented starters at two positions of need that would not cost us much money comparatively. SS Jahleel Addae is set to hit the market next year if the Chargers don't find a way to lock him down. He's a heavy hitting SS that would be a great fit for us - he's young and won't command too much money but should theoretically outplay his contract given what he's currently valued and what he's able to produce.

    Contracts of free agents added - (keep in mind I was extremely conservative with how much they'd be paid, I assumed almost $8-10 mil higher than what similar counterparts made last year):

    • Luke Jockel - 5 yr/ $35 million - $7mil/year
    • Stephon Gilmore - 4 yr / $50 million - $12.5mil/year
    • Jahleel Addae - 5 yr/ $45 million - $9mil/year

    Steps 1, 2, and 3 seem like no brainers to me - switch to 43, resign Collins, draft Garrett at #1. That gives us two very talented players in our front seven for at least the next four years.

    Step 4: The QB. As it stands right now, I don't foresee us able to land either Kizer or Trubisky at #33 - so I suggest taking one of the two at #7. I'm more partial to Kizer at this moment, personally. There's a lot to be said for his durability, athletic ability, and "it" quality. He's a Derek Carr in the making, in my opinion - he needs refinement and coaching but he possesses almost every single thing you'd want and I see him being a good fit in a Hue (circa 2014) offense. Heavy run and play action will create hesitancy, as we all know, allowing Kizer to take advantage down the field and on intermediate routes.

    Step 5: The Switch. What I'd like to see is Haden pull a Woodson and make the switch to free safety. He's lost a step but has the same instincts and ball skills. He'd benefit from playing center field and it's similar to us adding a guy like Eric Berry via FA, just cheaper as we won't be taking on a new big contract.

    Step 6: The other CB: Then, at #33, I suggest taking Adoree Jackson...or King or Jones if they so happen to be available. Basically BCB available to start opposite our FA CB.

    Step 7: The TE. I have to agree that Barnidge, while being one of my favorites, isn't an all around TE. Getting a guy like Jake Butt at #47 would allow us the opportunity to have an all purpose TE to trot out their in 2TE sets and keep the defense slightly on their heels. Eventually he'd become our TE1, obviously.

    Step 8: The Rest of the Draft. Take BPA rest of the draft, but don't focus on OL. We don't need it. We don't suffer from a lack of talented bodies, we suffer from a lack of keeping those talented bodies on the field in the position they are used to playing. OL is a groove position more than ANY other position on the field being that your job is dependent on the guy next to you not failing at his. If the BPA is an OL, take him. But if not, don't reach. I would like to see us add Ryan Switzer in the later rounds, he has a knack for finding soft spots. I would also like to see us land Kyle Fuller in the 4th, he has starter potential in the future.

    Roster:

    bold denotes rookie

    italics denotes free agent

    underline denotes new position

    Offense:
    QB - Kizer - Kessler - Hogan
    RB - Crowell - Duke - Jackson
    WR1- Pryor - Higgins - Louis
    WR2 - Coleman - Hawkins - Switzer - Alford
    TE - Barnidge - Butt - DeValve
    LT - Thomas - Coleman
    LG - Bitonio - Reiter - Erving
    C - Greco - Fuller
    RG - Cooper - Erving - Reiter
    RT - Joeckel - Pazstor



    Defense:

    LDE - Ogbah - Nassib
    LDT - Shelton - Meder
    RDT - Bryant- Cooper
    RDE - Garrett - Orchard


    LOLB - Kirksey - Schobert
    MLB - Davis -
    ROLB - Collins - Johnson

    CB1 - Gilmore/Hayden
    CB2 - Jackson/King - Boddy-Calhoun

    NICKEL - Taylor
    FS - Haden - Baker
    SS - Addae - Kindred - Campbell

    Key points:

    • That gives us 6 new immediate starters (QB, RT, CB1, CB2, SS, DE) along with a new face at FS (Haden), LOLB (Kirksey), RG (Cooper) and DT (Bryant). That's 10 positions addressed via FA and the draft.
    • Our OL would be composed of three 1st round picks (Thomas, Cooper, Joeckel) a 2nd round pick (Bito) and Greco. Assuming non-injury, that would give us among one of the most talented offensive lines in the league on paper and with an entire offseason to work together, I believe they'd be just as good on the field.
    • We'd have the leading pass rushers of 2015 and 2016 at DE positions, along with another top pass rusher (Nassib) in the wings.
    • Although there's honestly no way of knowing, I'd venture a guess that Haden would rank among the top 15 of FS in his first year. There would be growing pains, but he has the skillset for a center field position. He just wouldn't be a hitter.
    • The Kirksey/Davis LB combo would be weak, but you can't fix everything immediately.

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    • Step 4: The QB. As it stands right now, I don't foresee us able to land either Kizer or Trubisky at #33 - so I suggest taking one of the two at #7. I'm more partial to Kizer at this moment, personally. There's a lot to be said for his durability, athletic ability, and "it" quality. He's a Derek Carr in the making, in my opinion - he needs refinement and coaching but he possesses almost every single thing you'd want and I see him being a good fit in a Hue (circa 2014) offense. Heavy run and play action will create hesitancy, as we all know, allowing Kizer to take advantage down the field and on intermediate routes.

    Step 5: The Switch. What I'd like to see is Haden pull a Woodson and make the switch to free safety. He's lost a step but has the same instincts and ball skills. He'd benefit from playing center field and it's similar to us adding a guy like Eric Berry via FA, just cheaper as we won't be taking on a new big contract.

    Step 6: The other CB: Then, at #33, I suggest taking Adoree Jackson...or King or Jones if they so happen to be available. Basically BCB available to start opposite our FA CB.

    Great thoughts TCPO..couple wrenches. Adoree Jackson stock will rise after combine due to his track history imo (7-10). I also like Kizer slightly over Mitch. What's your opinion on getting some experience back in the QB room with the trade talks of Jimmy G/Glennon or Cutler over a Kizer or Mitch which may send a worse message to Kessler?

  • @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    • Step 4: The QB. As it stands right now, I don't foresee us able to land either Kizer or Trubisky at #33 - so I suggest taking one of the two at #7. I'm more partial to Kizer at this moment, personally. There's a lot to be said for his durability, athletic ability, and "it" quality. He's a Derek Carr in the making, in my opinion - he needs refinement and coaching but he possesses almost every single thing you'd want and I see him being a good fit in a Hue (circa 2014) offense. Heavy run and play action will create hesitancy, as we all know, allowing Kizer to take advantage down the field and on intermediate routes.

    Step 5: The Switch. What I'd like to see is Haden pull a Woodson and make the switch to free safety. He's lost a step but has the same instincts and ball skills. He'd benefit from playing center field and it's similar to us adding a guy like Eric Berry via FA, just cheaper as we won't be taking on a new big contract.

    Step 6: The other CB: Then, at #33, I suggest taking Adoree Jackson...or King or Jones if they so happen to be available. Basically BCB available to start opposite our FA CB.

    Great thoughts TCPO..couple wrenches. Adoree Jackson stock will rise after combine due to his track history imo (7-10). I also like Kizer slightly over Mitch. What's your opinion on getting some experience back in the QB room with the trade talks of Jimmy G/Glennon or Cutler over a Kizer or Mitch which may send a worse message to Kessler?

    @gumby73 said:

    Great thoughts TCPO..couple wrenches. Adoree Jackson stock will rise after combine due to his track history imo (7-10). I also like Kizer slightly over Mitch. What's your opinion on getting some experience back in the QB room with the trade talks of Jimmy G/Glennon or Cutler over a Kizer or Mitch which may send a worse message to Kessler?

    I also think Jackson will rise, which should conceivably push one of the three four CBs currently slotted ahead of him to fall. I don't think there will be four CBS taken in the first this year but I may be wrong, I'll admit I haven't watched much tape on most of them outside Tabor and Jackson.

    As for Kessler, I think adding a QB any which way will have the same effect on him. I believe he knows he's not a franchise savior.

    I like him a lot but I don't see that potential in him, he's giving off a Siemian/Keenum/Foles vibe - good QB, good guy, could win games in a good scenario but won't win games on his own. A capable backup to mid level starter at best.

    But I also think he's the perfect QB for us because having him means we won't have to rush a guy if we don't have to. Kizer may not be a day one starter. None of these guys scream day one starter, actually.

    In my heart of hearts I'm starting to feel like the plan was Kizer all along. We've apparently scouted the absolute shit out of him and I vaguely recall Hue and co. saying last year before the draft that the best QB prospect in college football might not have even been in last years draft. I think the plan may have been to get a mid round guy last year who could take the pressure of our early round guy this year. Obviously, we were hoping to win a couple games so that mid round guy would have some confidence going into 2017, but alas.

  • Whennic a team employing 2 DT's and 2 full time hands in the dirt proper like DE's.....i call em a 43 no matter what they do with the lb'ers. For me it boils down to personnel types. A team that has some 250-260lb hybrid guy that sometimes stands sometimes gets down, thats not a 43 thats the gay 34 ive come to despise mainly cause it dont work here.

    Im sorry but i pay attention to our edges and how they establish the point in the run game and how well they trim the edge on their way to the qb. All of which our 34 guys simply stink at. Yeah they've gotten a few sacks cause some qb didnt step up in time, but consistency wise they're terrible. They cannot establish and hold the point against the run, at all. They're always diving inside or out immediately cause they know they cannot hold off the tackles for even a split second to read theplay. So they just guess right from snap and the RB's always read them, always. Mccoy could have run for 200+ yds if rex wanted it. It was just there everytime. When nassib amd ogbah are in there things get a little more congested for opposing rb's it seems. Not saying those guys are run stopping savants but they seem to perturb the rumning lanes alot better than the 34 olb'ers

    @clevfan4life said:

    Whennic a team employing 2 DT's and 2 full time hands in the dirt proper like DE's.....i call em a 43 no matter what they do with the lb'ers. For me it boils down to personnel types. A team that has some 250-260lb hybrid guy that sometimes stands sometimes gets down, thats not a 43 thats the gay 34 ive come to despise mainly cause it dont work here.

    That's beyond general as the defensive alignment itself is the callsign. So if Anythony Barr has his hand in the ground as a DE, on that particular play that's a 4 man front. 33 personnel, doesn't make it a "34".

    And If you're willing to just throw away what the linebackers do, then you're discounting the '3' part in the 43

    Im sorry but i pay attention to our edges and how they establish the point in the run game and how well they trim the edge on their way to the qb

    All of which our 34 guys simply stink at. Yeah they've gotten a few sacks cause some qb didnt step up in time, but consistency wise they're terrible. They cannot establish and hold the point against the run, at all.

    So.... if our guys are that ineffective now, you're saying just changing the label of the defense, but maintaining the same gap assignments will somehow magically make them better...?

  • Id like to see more of Seth Devalve with Kessler or another capable qb before wasting a pick on TE. There are much much more pressing needs. But if a TE slides down I understand.

  • @clevfan4life said:

    Whennic a team employing 2 DT's and 2 full time hands in the dirt proper like DE's.....i call em a 43 no matter what they do with the lb'ers. For me it boils down to personnel types. A team that has some 250-260lb hybrid guy that sometimes stands sometimes gets down, thats not a 43 thats the gay 34 ive come to despise mainly cause it dont work here.

    That's beyond general as the defensive alignment itself is the callsign. So if Anythony Barr has his hand in the ground as a DE, on that particular play that's a 4 man front. 33 personnel, doesn't make it a "34".

    And If you're willing to just throw away what the linebackers do, then you're discounting the '3' part in the 43

    Im sorry but i pay attention to our edges and how they establish the point in the run game and how well they trim the edge on their way to the qb

    All of which our 34 guys simply stink at. Yeah they've gotten a few sacks cause some qb didnt step up in time, but consistency wise they're terrible. They cannot establish and hold the point against the run, at all.

    So.... if our guys are that ineffective now, you're saying just changing the label of the defense, but maintaining the same gap assignments will somehow magically make them better...?

    @tiamat63 said:

    So.... if our guys are that ineffective now, you're saying just changing the label of the defense, but maintaining the same gap assignments will somehow magically make them better...?

    Mo, i want the straight up 34 olb'ers out of here. The other 43 guys that have been standing up can get their hands back in tje ground next year if it were my call. Guys like lemonier, johnson, collins, schobert.....unless they can prove they can be decent 4-3 olb'ers......bye!

  • Like collins and schobert id keep around long enough to see what the can do in tje 43. And especially if we draft garett or allen. I know we wouldnt stand allen up, at least i hope not, but i can see us doing garett likevthat and something tells me thats exactly what he's worried about us doing which is why he hasnt officially declared

  • If Cutler can accept a backup role and comes in with a good attitude then I really like that idea. Not sure if he does either. I find it difficult to keep McCown another year because he can't actually play football. And at some point, no matter how good of a locker room guy you are, that matters.

    @wargograw said:

    If Cutler can accept a backup role and comes in with a good attitude then I really like that idea. Not sure if he does either. I find it difficult to keep McCown another year because he can't actually play football. And at some point, no matter how good of a locker room guy you are, that matters.

    you'd be hard pressed to name me a better guy as 3rd string qb. He's good with the mentoring role, balls of an elephant, solid mentally on the game and can play in a pinch.
  • Mccowns the best qb on this team. Let that one marinate

  • @wargograw said:

    If Cutler can accept a backup role and comes in with a good attitude then I really like that idea. Not sure if he does either. I find it difficult to keep McCown another year because he can't actually play football. And at some point, no matter how good of a locker room guy you are, that matters.

    you'd be hard pressed to name me a better guy as 3rd string qb. He's good with the mentoring role, balls of an elephant, solid mentally on the game and can play in a pinch.

    @jcam222 said:

    you'd be hard pressed to name me a better guy as 3rd string qb. He's good with the mentoring role, balls of an elephant, solid mentally on the game and can play in a pinch.

    Kessler. Next year if you sign Cutler.

  • I'm already frustrated about this game because of RG III and the anticipated weather. RG III is so completely frustrating to watch. He's late on so many throws, and I don't see that getting better. Heck, even on that one long pass to Hawkins, he STILL screwed up. He was several seconds late on that throw, and had he thrown it when he SHOULD'VE, Hawkins might've had a chance to score. He's a pretty shifty guy in the open field, but who knows. The throw ended up being awesome, but if you look at that play from above, you'll see Hawk WIDE OPEN long before the ball is thrown. Remember hearing how good RG III was at throwing the deep ball? Have you seen anything good? I haven't. So we're basically going to wait at least a quarter, probably longer, before Cody comes in. I can see it now. 3 and out, 3 and out, 3 and out. Oh, and the weather? Last time I checked it was 70% chance of rain. That'll make for a terrific game in 35 degree weather.

  • @jcam222 said:

    you'd be hard pressed to name me a better guy as 3rd string qb. He's good with the mentoring role, balls of an elephant, solid mentally on the game and can play in a pinch.

    Kessler. Next year if you sign Cutler.

    @wargograw said:

    Kessler. Next year if you sign Cutler.

    he's our 2 if they sign Cutler
  • Browns sign Cutler and I'll lead the March to burn the stadium down.

  • Browns sign Cutler and I'll lead the March to burn the stadium down.

    @tiamat63 said:

    Browns sign Cutler and I'll lead the March to burn the stadium down.

    As a cheap, experienced backup. If we don't draft a QB.

  • Mccowns the best qb on this team. Let that one marinate

    @clevfan4life said:

    Mccowns the best qb on this team. Let that one marinate

    That's deep.
  • Mccowns the best qb on this team. Let that one marinate

    @clevfan4life said:

    Mccowns the best qb on this team. Let that one marinate

    That's deep.
  • Browns sign Cutler and I'll lead the March to burn the stadium down.

    @tiamat63 said:

    Browns sign Cutler and I'll lead the March to burn the stadium down.

    I'll bring some K1 and tiki torches.