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    Mangini said that Maiava's probably going to start out as a a nickel linebacker/special teams player, which means Leon's no longer needed.

    But Kam Wimbley's a lock to stay. I don't see why Mangini would get rid of a solid character guy who's got three times as many sacks as Bryan Thomas had at this point of his career.

    Some of our d-line scrubs are going to be fighting losing battles to keep their jobs, but I think Ahtyba Rubin sticks around. I know Flugs and other disagree, but I thought he played pretty well down the stretch. I charted the Buffalo game, and the defense actually gave up less YPC when he was in there. We got run on like crazy last year, but it mostly was due to inadequate DE/LB play, not our stud NT and his somewhat promising backup.

    Louis Leonard's got the versatility that Mangini likes, but he's also a guy who plays too high and doesn't seem to be getting the most out of his ability. That could mean he gets the axe.

    Aloysius said:

    Kam Wimbley's a lock to stay. I don't see why Mangini would get rid of a solid character guy who's got three times as many sacks as Bryan Thomas had at this point of his career.

    saying he's a lock is as much of a gamble as saying he's a safe bet for the axe. reality is he's keeping the position warm for the next guy based on what we've seen from him the past two years. while i agree he has high character and no risks for "off-field shenanigans" he hasn't emerged as a leader or ugraded beyond the same toolbox he arrived with. for all the flak Anderson gets regarding his progression since college there seems to be a lot more rope given to Wimbley.

    right now i don't see the reason why clearly yet either, but once the season starts it might be another story. he's currently a measuring stick others are aiming for, and just because the staff feels they might be able to coach he and the others up, it still remains to be seen.

  • hammertimeH hammertime

    Part of last season's fiasco was the inability for even our bench players to step it up. As a back-up in the NFL you should'nt be that far behind in talent or skill levels then the starters.

    Move out the old and bring in the new. A guy who's hungry to start is what you want waiting in the wings, not a 3rd string qb hoping he won't get his jersey dirty.

    @hammertime said:

    Part of last season's fiasco was the inability for even our bench players to step it up. As a back-up in the NFL you should'nt be that far behind in talent or skill levels then the starters.

    Move out the old and bring in the new. A guy who's hungry to start is what you want waiting in the wings, not a 3rd string qb hoping he won't get his jersey dirty.

    Savage needed his additions to emerge but when they didn't it left him little to no wiggle room. we now have competition at basically every position. finally.

    this is a whole new Browns team from where i'm standing.

  • Wimbley's also relatively cheap - he's only going to receive a $585k base salary this year. He'd only take up more cap space if we cut him.

    And the guy we drafted, David Veikune, isn't slotted to replace him. It's not yet clear whether he'll play inside or outside, but Veikune's build and style of play projects more to the strongside; he actually played LE in college.

    So I think Wimbley's safe.

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    Wimbley's also relatively cheap - he's only going to receive a $585k base salary this year. He'd only take up more cap space if we cut him.

    And the guy we drafted, David Veikune, isn't slotted to replace him. It's not yet clear whether he'll play inside or outside, but Veikune's build and style of play projects more to the strongside; he actually played LE in college.

    So I think Wimbley's safe.

    Aloysius said:

    Wimbley's also relatively cheap - he's only going to receive a $585k base salary this year. He'd only take up more cap space if we cut him.

    And the guy we drafted, David Veikune, isn't slotted to replace him. It's not yet clear whether he'll play inside or outside, but Veikune's build and style of play projects more to the strongside; he actually played LE in college.

    So I think Wimbley's safe.

    you make a good point about the $$, and this might be a contract year for him, right? i think he signed a 4 year deal initially. if so it's boom or bust.

    why even cut a guy making base anyway, he's cheap enough you can afford to bench him if necessary. if that's all the facts you've talked me around, he may not start all year but logic says he wouldn't be cut.

    how about Bowens? I think that's the real battle, with "Vuhkoonay" taking notes. Bowens will either push Kam to where he needs to be or push him to the left side. Kam has played some downs over there for the Browns, maybe that's what the staff is thinking as an option while grooming Veikune for the ROLB. options of rotating the four of them (incl. Hall) is something we never could have even imagined last year.

    @ JADBF: film. he said coming into last season he and the coaches were adding a couple more moves to his game, they just didn't translate--tools do no good if you don't use them. we can't blame everything on the coaching. Peek's health didn't help matters but Kam was 1 on 1 nearly all last year. no excuses anymore, Mangini brings accountability.

    **edit** 😉 the opponents had film on him after his rookie year. if we don't edit to add a word or two at times these threads will be 100 pages.

  • Not sure why we'd move Wimbley to LOLB. I don't think he's strong enough to hold up against when when facing a RT or a RT/TE double. If he's going to have success anywhere, it would be on the weakside.

    I'm not sure what the plan is with Bowens. He played ILB last year, and I'm not convinced he's got enough explosion left to be an effective rusher off the edge. Maybe he can play run downs & have Veikune/Hall sub in for him on passing downs, as Shep suggested in another thread.

    Worst case scenario for Wimbley, I think, is that he faces competition from Hall at ROLB. But I could be wrong.

  • @jadbf said:

    do you really mean to tell me you didn't watch every Browns game and were not easily able to predict where our "pass rush" was supposed to be coming from?
    i was. it made me laugh. this team has been making me laugh for awhile. i feel like i can say that now. i'm 98% numb from it.

    that LB coach last year, Mr. Whateverhisnamewas, was supposed to be pretty good i thought. i got my hopes way up again and fell even harder. that's probably where all this is coming from.

  • I am not a big Wimp fan, but I don't think it is a lock he is gone. Far from that.

    On the other hand, history shows that new coaches do make changes, so while I wouldn't bet the ranch that Wimbly leaves, I wouldn't call the odds remote either.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

  • Our D "scheme" was a joke, no doubt. But I cannot help but notice how easily Kam was blocked. He showed no rush moves beyond the shoulder dip. Hell, everyone knows other rush LBers are coming 85% of the time, but they are able to win the battle, even against a RB chip or TE help, from time to time. Kam never seems to make a play despite the predictability.

    RAC didn't help Kam, but I would think if he was half as talented as we'd hoped he would have had more than the near zero impact he had on the passing game. No? Hall had as much impact on games in his limited time, and he was a clueless rook from DIV 1AA.

    That said, I doubt Kam gets cut given the lack of alternatives on the roster and his contract/cap status. He is cheap, a former #1, and enough of a specimen to get one more chance under the new coach.

  • B Bronx Cheer

    Our D "scheme" was a joke, no doubt. But I cannot help but notice how easily Kam was blocked. He showed no rush moves beyond the shoulder dip. Hell, everyone knows other rush LBers are coming 85% of the time, but they are able to win the battle, even against a RB chip or TE help, from time to time. Kam never seems to make a play despite the predictability.

    RAC didn't help Kam, but I would think if he was half as talented as we'd hoped he would have had more than the near zero impact he had on the passing game. No? Hall had as much impact on games in his limited time, and he was a clueless rook from DIV 1AA.

    That said, I doubt Kam gets cut given the lack of alternatives on the roster and his contract/cap status. He is cheap, a former #1, and enough of a specimen to get one more chance under the new coach.

    how the heck did i double post that?!? 😳 **fixed

    @bronx-cheer said:

    I doubt Kam gets cut given the lack of alternatives on the roster and his contract/cap status. He is cheap, a former #1, and enough of a specimen to get one more chance under the new coach.

    that's a pretty good synopsis, Bronx, and one i'd agree with. his current status as an OLB for the Browns is definitely benefiting from his situation right now. i also think we'd all agree his status as a starting OLB is in serious jeopardy. i remember going back and forth with repairman about it in December, isolating on him i really saw it. no spin moves, getting worked over by LTs badly, it was like watching Rogers maul Steinbach in camp last summer.....he couldn't get anything done. while he looked to be a physical specimen he seemed to lack the rabid dog ferocity and relentlessness of guys like Harrison, Suggs, Scott, and now Woodley. while scheme helps he needs to shed the Tackle more. he just never did in time, while i'll admit at times he was only a split second late.

    that's why i was hoping they'd try Rogers at RDE. after Wimbley's dip move he and the Tackle were so far out on an island there was a gap there impossible to ignore. if he couldn't reach the passer at least he could remove the QB's left side protection from the play. although Shaun Smith hustled he lacked the penetration to exploit it. the window was only open for a moment for the right player and S. Smith wasn't it. Robaire may have done more with it but that's just me speculating.

    on the plus side he does have incredible heart though. i remember one play, i think it was against Marshawn Lynch, where he made a play from on the ground with only his forearm, drove it up into the RB's belly and folded him, stopping him on a clutch 3rd down--i was blown away, thought it might have ripped his shoulder out of place. it was a play only a bionic man could have made. it was on the left side of the line too. truly amazing.

    even if he can't succeed at OLB, maybe this new crew can find a way to utilize what he can do well. look at me, totally talking myself back into being a Kamerian Wimbley fan again. gosh he's hard not to like.

    he'll be a good story to watch this year. again.

  • @jadbf said:

    How many years in the NFL did it take Harrison to be come the force he is now?

    THAT's one example of what I think it's a bit early to give up on Wimbley.

    off the top of my head i think 5 or 6, he's not that young. takes a while to see it all, that's for certain. i'm asking for it again but Harrison's a brighter guy than i gave him credit for a few years ago. he really surprised me in some of the interviews i've heard over the years. maybe Kam just needs a bit more press to delve deeper into his knowledge bag to convince me otherwise there too.

    **i edited on you again btw. 😆

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