Camp Trubisky

The Gipper

@mudfly said:

sure changed your tune from last draft, where you were screaming NOT to draft a QB high(just because he's the highest rated QB in the draft) and to, instead, draft the highest rated player(your guy was Bosa).....you said it over and over and over...

But, this year...we should draft a QB first, JUST because he's the highest QB(even though he's not the highest rated player)?

contradiction abounds

There is no change of tune......I didn't believe in the talents of those guys.and I thought we had much better options. I thought we could get Lynch toward the middle of round one. And we could have.

I think Trubisky is much better than Goff or Wentz.

As for being the highest rated, I was for Bosa last year....who I think was still a far better prospect than Allen or Garrett.

The Gipper

@mudfly said:

and what happens to FO's who use the first pick on project QB's?.....cause if he flames out, oh my......

You thought the screaming was loud with Weeden and Johnny at 22?....wait till it's #1.....

Both Goff and Wentz are far more "project QBs" than Trubisky is.

I am not saying a high pick QB can't flame out....or that this guy couldn't either. I just think he has "it" that no Joey Harrington or Sam Bradford or some of these high picks had.

The Gipper

@taco918 said:
I think Gipper might have a crush.

Or, more likely, I am just smarter than the rest of you. That's really more like it.

gumby73

@mudfly said:

To me....this draft feels more like 07...or 10.....or 13.....where there just isnt a good enough prospect to bet the house on.....

They spent a 3rd round pick, just this past draft, AND signed a QB for 2yrs.....which tells me they weren't planning on drafting one high this year.....and IF they were.....whew, more bad choices....

@mudfly said:

and what happens to FO's who use the first pick on project QB's?.....cause if he flames out, oh my......

You thought the screaming was loud with Weeden and Johnny at 22?....wait till it's #1.....

Draft Player vs Draft Player I got Mitch just outside of #15. imo we got Kess & Hogan with no field Generals left which we deal for a FA QB not named 3. but, That's not sticking to "the plan". Hue ain't played HC Russian roulette with jimmy yet, but a 3rd rook at QB? now that's a ballzie HC or a fired one

tiamat63

Did some good things. Did some NOT so good things. I can't get on board with a #1 overall selection though.

Tim Couch Pulls Out

Gippers boner is solely because he's a Cleveland-ish guy. Guaranteed he wouldn't give a fuck otherwise if the guy was from anywhere else. He's probably only watched one ESPN highlight reel and declared him to be "better than anyone from the last two years".

Guaranteed he ends up with a lower draft profile score than Winston, Goff and probably Mariota too. Possibly even Bortles and Wentz.

Kvoethe

I havent read this thread but im sure its been said, one season does not a Qb make. There is not enough body of work to warrant a #1 pick.

domcucch1994

Trubisky is our guy at #1. RG3 is not the future he needs to be canned. Kess can be a stopgap solution for a year.
Oline needs to be addressed with either our other 1st or FA help.

Kvoethe

Taking him at 1 reminds me of Tim Couch

beare

who is worthy of number 1 myles sure didnt impress in his bowl game neither!!!!

hoorta

Zombo said:

OK, that last drive was mucho impressive. Love his arm. I'll keep an open mind. But he feels like a project, not a first year starter.

Zombo

And I'll keep an open mind on your fave Garropolo. Shit, I've seen all I needed to see. Pocket awareness, check. Mobile check. Big arm check (you noticed the dead on 50 yarder with a minute left? Generally accurate? With guys in his face? Check. Sees open guys? check. Fast enough release? Check. OK, made some mistakes. Check. MHO- Mitch is already better than any qb the Browns have on their roster, with plenty of room to grow.

I'll go even farther than that Z. Assuming Mitch declares, this is the same alignment of the stars 12 years ago when the magic ping pong balls spit out LeBron for the Cavs. Any goober who thinks Mitch won't got top 5 hasn't been watching his tape. I haven't been as impressed about a prospect (save Andrew Luck) since Tim Couch in 1999- not kidding.

@taco918 said:

Well he did a solid job on this final drive of the 4th. Got lucky on those first two completions (both probably should've been reviewed) but that's more on the WR's then Mitch. He got dicked over by his WR with an awful drop for a TD but he came back and made a great play to get the TD.

Didn't have a shot in hell on the 2 pointer though.

Overall it was a bit of a mixed bag. He made some mistakes, had to deal with a fluky fumble but came through in the clutch when his team needed it.

LOL, the anti- McCown.

Zombo said:

He seems very raw with a rocket arm to me, but I will keep an open mind.

Zombo

We have time Z. My crystal ball (in a perfect world) says McCown retires, Griffin is the designated pinata, and Mitch rides the pine until mid season.

@alporcini said:
Think he'll be around when we pick at the top of the second?

NO WAY IN HELL.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Gippers boner is solely because he's a Cleveland-ish guy. Guaranteed he wouldn't give a fuck otherwise if the guy was from anywhere else. He's probably only watched one ESPN highlight reel and declared him to be "better than anyone from the last two years".

Guaranteed he ends up with a lower draft profile score than Winston, Goff and probably Mariota too. Possibly even Bortles and Wentz.

I guarantee he won't. Danielson compared him to Wentz. My disinterested outside observer compared him to a young Phillip Rivers. Regarding homerism, that might be part of it TC, but you can't deny the attractiveness of Kosar redux. I've watched a bunch of tape Tim, and the hype is real.

the only thing that's going to get him downgraded as opposed to the guys you mentioned is the limited body of work. Put his stats this year against any of the others, and it screams big time prospect, especially since watching NC is sort of like watching the Browns on a college level.

@kvoethe said:
Taking him at 1 reminds me of Tim Couch

Well, do you want the top qb prospect in the drat, or not? Yeah- we 1\2 busted on Couch.

PoeticG

Tim Couch got us to the Playoffs on a shitty expansion team... just saying, Tim Couch would be nice right now. I miss when we had 1 Quarterback... not like 22...

wargograw

When did Danielson call a game of Trubisky's?

hoorta

@wargograw said:
When did Danielson call a game of Trubisky's?

I'm sure he never watched any tape, has never has called a game involving other top qb prospects, and just said that because he's a closet Browns homer because he used to play qb for Cleveland.

miktoxic

@poeticg said:
Tim Couch got us to the Playoffs on a shitty expansion team... just saying, Tim Couch would be nice right now. I miss when we had 1 Quarterback... not like 22...

tim couch would have been borderline great if the browns drafted OL to protect him. he played his ass off for a crap team and left his shoulder buried at the 20 yard line of browns stadium only to be booed but flippant douchebag fans.

Flugel

While I'd rather go the Jimmy G route at QB I can see why Hoorta, Gipper and others have some queer eye for Trubi-sky. I couldn't wait to watch him yesterday to see if he could overcome some questions I had.

I've seen 2 games his team lost this year. Both times his Receivers had multiple drops while he really impressed me at escaping trouble. His line kept him in trouble a lot so Cleveland might not be as big of a culture shock as some may think. The one thing he didn't always do when he escaped trouble was keep his eyes down field for WRs breaking open. Ben Rapen used to do that a lot early on when he was less seasoned before he started hitting WRs/RBs/TEs breaking open after/while escaping pocket pressure.

Potential red flags: Locking onto the primary target doesn't project one is ready to read progressions against more complicated NFL schemes. It also leads to turnovers as we saw. Starting only 1 year keeps a lot of questions in play for a potential investor.

Potential buried treasure: Does not panic under pressure, which prepares him well for a line like our's. He's learned he needs to get rid of it quickly. Also, if someone drops a pass in the end zone - he proved he can overcome it with another accurate throw in the end zone. Big, strong, elusive and accurate doesn't suck either.

If you invest in a QB - you have to protect your investment (with better surroundings/protection than the Coyote Ugly we have continued to give QBs here since 99). Look no further than the difference in settings that Goff and Prescott were given. Handing a young QB a 7-0 deficit every time he has his 1st possession doesn't help at all.

Bob806

@tiamat63 said:
Did some good things. Did some NOT so good things. I can't get on board with a #1 overall selection though.

Agree. Definitely has the tools to succeed. It's a gamble picking him #1, 10, wherever.

Then again, like some suggest, keep picking a QB until you get it right.

wargograw

@hoorta said:

I'm sure he never watched any tape, has never has called a game involving other top qb prospects, and just said that because he's a closet Browns homer because he used to play qb for Cleveland.

I'm just wondering where/when he said it.

Mudfly

I gotta agree with this almost word for word.....

@flugel said:

While I'd rather go the Jimmy G route at QB I can see why Hoorta, Gipper and others have some queer eye for Trubi-sky. I couldn't wait to watch him yesterday to see if he could overcome some questions I had.

Potential red flags: Locking onto the primary target doesn't project one is ready to read progressions against more complicated NFL schemes. It also leads to turnovers as we saw. Starting only 1 year keeps a lot of questions in play for a potential investor.

Yes....he seems to do just that......stare down his receiver......

Potential buried treasure: Does not panic under pressure, which prepares him well for a line like our's. He's learned he needs to get rid of it quickly. Also, if someone drops a pass in the end zone - he proved he can overcome it with another accurate throw in the end zone. Big, strong, elusive and accurate doesn't suck either.

He does seem to have many of the intangibles that we consider good for our division......(and a team that cant protect the QB very well)

If you invest in a QB - you have to protect your investment (with better surroundings/protection than the Coyote Ugly we have continued to give QBs here since 99). Look no further than the difference in settings that Goff and Prescott were given. Handing a young QB a 7-0 deficit every time he has his 1st possession doesn't help at all.

One of my main bitches, going all the way back to last FA period.......we signed a fragile QB and drafted a green one, then did ZERO to put them in position to succeed(or last more than a game or 2)......If they go ahead and draft a QB #1 this year, w/o fixing the pass pro or seeing their 2 previous QB projects through, I might lose my mind.....

TopDawg31

For those worried about only 1 yr as a starter, Mitch did play some in 2015. One game really stands out where he came off the bench in the second half for an ineffective Marquis and his stats in one half went like this.

09/26/15 Delaware Grass W 41-14 20att 17comp 85.0% 312yrds 15.6yrdsper 4td 0int 282.04QB rating

The kid has talent