Hue asking Jimmy to change the FO
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You guys understand that its difficult to bring someone in to Cleveland right? Even players second guess coming here. Its just years of bad managing. The reputation the organization has. We need to start from the ground up. I think Hue is a good coach. And yes hus say should be bugger than it is.
We need to start from the ground up.
A lot of us would tell you that "starting from the ground up".....every other year.....is the reason this team is so embarrassing and undesirable.....and each progressive "ground up/fresh start" has been worse, due to our decreasing ability to attract talent....
and the moves made this year, coupled with the disappointing FA period and draft....and the dismantling of an already terrible team....has sapped every last drop of credibility from the team....owner....staff....etc....and completely handicapped our ability to rebuild(which is the plan right?)....
After all, how do you rebuild if you cant sign or draft any good players? How do you succeed if your coaching staff has no say in the players or confidence in the FO? How does an FO cut players that a coach wants as starters?.....all these are the questions being raised now(and before, actually)....
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Here's one of the many issues I have with Jimmy.......in a nut shell, he hires inexperience.....every time...
He has consistently surrounded himself with people who are learning on the job....and hasn't provided the experienced backbone needed to guide these people through the learning experience.....FO and Coaches alike....and now, the entire team....
I guess Hue has 1 yr experience....so that is a step in the right direction.....but the entire FO?......
Perhaps he just needs people he can easily manage and doesnt want anyone questioning his choices?.....yes men?
And when your entire staff is led by people who have all recently been promoted....the peter principle creeps in....
Here's one of the many issues I have with Jimmy.......in a nut shell, he hires inexperience.....every time...
He has consistently surrounded himself with people who are learning on the job....and hasn't provided the experienced backbone needed to guide these people through the learning experience.....FO and Coaches alike....and now, the entire team....
I guess Hue has 1 yr experience....so that is a step in the right direction.....but the entire FO?......
Perhaps he just needs people he can easily manage and doesnt want anyone questioning his choices?.....yes men?
And when your entire staff is led by people who have all recently been promoted....the peter principle creeps in....
So we need another Holmgren? I don't think we've ever disagreed as much as we do here... Not that there's anything wrong with that.
I read LaCan's "article". It's his typical shit-stirring. There are no signs that our process needs an overhaul... none. And even if there were, then the sample size is way too small to know what change is needed. You role with it as is for one more cycle and then evaluate.
The "reports" are that Hue & Co. will lobby for a "football guy" to oversee the process. How has finding that one guy worked for us in the past? We have "football guys" in place. Some may Peter-out, but some will rise and one will ultimately ascend. Darwin said it long before Peter ever sucked on a tit.
If the reports are true, then Hue needs to STFU and forget politicking the boss. We did not lose today due to "lack of talent".
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So Hue said all is peachy between he and the decision makers and Lacanfora's report is 100% false
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Here's one of the many issues I have with Jimmy.......in a nut shell, he hires inexperience.....every time...
He has consistently surrounded himself with people who are learning on the job....and hasn't provided the experienced backbone needed to guide these people through the learning experience.....FO and Coaches alike....and now, the entire team....
I guess Hue has 1 yr experience....so that is a step in the right direction.....but the entire FO?......
Perhaps he just needs people he can easily manage and doesnt want anyone questioning his choices?.....yes men?
And when your entire staff is led by people who have all recently been promoted....the peter principle creeps in....
So we need another Holmgren? I don't think we've ever disagreed as much as we do here... Not that there's anything wrong with that.
I read LaCan's "article". It's his typical shit-stirring. There are no signs that our process needs an overhaul... none. And even if there were, then the sample size is way too small to know what change is needed. You role with it as is for one more cycle and then evaluate.
The "reports" are that Hue & Co. will lobby for a "football guy" to oversee the process. How has finding that one guy worked for us in the past? We have "football guys" in place. Some may Peter-out, but some will rise and one will ultimately ascend. Darwin said it long before Peter ever sucked on a tit.
If the reports are true, then Hue needs to STFU and forget politicking the boss. We did not lose today due to "lack of talent".
So we need another Holmgren? I don't think we've ever disagreed as much as we do here... Not that there's anything wrong with that.
I read LaCan's "article". It's his typical shit-stirring. There are no signs that our process needs an overhaul... none. And even if there were, then the sample size is way too small to know what change is needed. You role with it as is for one more cycle and then evaluate.
The "reports" are that Hue & Co. will lobby for a "football guy" to oversee the process. How has finding that one guy worked for us in the past? We have "football guys" in place. Some may Peter-out, but some will rise and one will ultimately ascend. Darwin said it long before Peter ever sucked on a tit.
If the reports are true, then Hue needs to STFU and forget politicking the boss. We did not lose today due to "lack of talent".
Drafting a #2, slot-receiver, 15 is insane.
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So we need another Holmgren? I don't think we've ever disagreed as much as we do here... Not that there's anything wrong with that.
I read LaCan's "article". It's his typical shit-stirring. There are no signs that our process needs an overhaul... none. And even if there were, then the sample size is way too small to know what change is needed. You role with it as is for one more cycle and then evaluate.
The "reports" are that Hue & Co. will lobby for a "football guy" to oversee the process. How has finding that one guy worked for us in the past? We have "football guys" in place. Some may Peter-out, but some will rise and one will ultimately ascend. Darwin said it long before Peter ever sucked on a tit.
If the reports are true, then Hue needs to STFU and forget politicking the boss. We did not lose today due to "lack of talent".
Drafting a #2, slot-receiver, 15 is insane.
trading down to do it is even more insaneDrafting a #2, slot-receiver, 15 is insane.
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Does this story hint that the FO was planning another trade down?
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Does this story hint that the FO was planning another trade down?
I'm sure this FO would jump at the chance to trade downDoes this story hint that the FO was planning another trade down?
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I'm sure this FO would jump at the chance to trade downDoes this story hint that the FO was planning another trade down?
I'm sure this FO would jump at the chance to trade down
Because our stupid FO wants "Quantity".. not "Quality"
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Times change... philosophies adjust.
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Ian Rapport reports something similar. Maybe not as negative as CBS but involves adding a talent evaluator at the exec level
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Ian Rapport reports something similar. Maybe not as negative as CBS but involves adding a talent evaluator at the exec level
The problem with that is we always end up with Holmgren, Savage, Clark, or someone else who doesn't know talent.Ian Rapport reports something similar. Maybe not as negative as CBS but involves adding a talent evaluator at the exec level
If they are going to hire a person, get someone who actually KNOWS NFL TALENT
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trading down to do it is even more insaneDrafting a #2, slot-receiver, 15 is insane.
trading down to do it is even more insane
You see this crap is part of the problem. People bitch when they don't draft receivers, then they draft one and people still aren't happy. Yeah he didnt have a good year, but he was injured half the season and had rotating QBs to work with. Lets give him another year before we make final judgement. As to the FO office, this up coming draft and FA period they need to be aggressive and make changes, you tore the roster down, evaluated a bunch of players and now have no excuse on what you need to fix, you can't fix this all with drafter players, you need to go after some quality FA, and over pay if you have too. And for the draft if you think there is a potential franchise QB, even if he needs to sit a year, draft him #1 overall and take the best player you can at #12 whether on offense or defense.
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Mitch2Pryor said:
What else is new?
So we need another Holmgren? I don't think we've ever disagreed as much as we do here... Not that there's anything wrong with that.
I read LaCan's "article". It's his typical shit-stirring. There are no signs that our process needs an overhaul... none. And even if there were, then the sample size is way too small to know what change is needed. You role with it as is for one more cycle and then evaluate.
The "reports" are that Hue & Co. will lobby for a "football guy" to oversee the process. How has finding that one guy worked for us in the past? We have "football guys" in place. Some may Peter-out, but some will rise and one will ultimately ascend. Darwin said it long before Peter ever sucked on a tit.
If the reports are true, then Hue needs to STFU and forget politicking the boss. We did not lose today due to "lack of talent".
Hue may want a bigger say on the roster- but bringing in "Earthquake" Griffin and "Trust Me" Kessler- I'm not convinced about his talent evaluation either.
The FO gets a solid F letting key payers walk, and a draft that has contributed little. The past season is one day removed, and the whole organization needs to head to a deserted island to sort out what went wrong- on every level.
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Why would anybody in their right mind think a bean counter attorney could pick better football players than a head coach?
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Manning is Jimmys answer. Bank it
A possibility that I have given thought to as well, but I won't bank on it. I figured Manning would take at least a year off, and could end up in Cleveland as President of Football Operations or President of Player Personnel. Stranger things have happened.
Now I'll defer to....
Mike
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Maybe even a Bernie or a Hanford. A ex player from the Browns better years. Somebody that's been there.
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Mitch2Pryor said:
What else is new?
So we need another Holmgren? I don't think we've ever disagreed as much as we do here... Not that there's anything wrong with that.
I read LaCan's "article". It's his typical shit-stirring. There are no signs that our process needs an overhaul... none. And even if there were, then the sample size is way too small to know what change is needed. You role with it as is for one more cycle and then evaluate.
The "reports" are that Hue & Co. will lobby for a "football guy" to oversee the process. How has finding that one guy worked for us in the past? We have "football guys" in place. Some may Peter-out, but some will rise and one will ultimately ascend. Darwin said it long before Peter ever sucked on a tit.
If the reports are true, then Hue needs to STFU and forget politicking the boss. We did not lose today due to "lack of talent".
Hue may want a bigger say on the roster- but bringing in "Earthquake" Griffin and "Trust Me" Kessler- I'm not convinced about his talent evaluation either.
The FO gets a solid F letting key payers walk, and a draft that has contributed little. The past season is one day removed, and the whole organization needs to head to a deserted island to sort out what went wrong- on every level.
Hue may want a bigger say on the roster- but bringing in "Earthquake" Griffin and "Trust Me" Kessler- I'm not convinced about his talent evaluation either.
The FO gets a solid F letting key payers walk, and a draft that has contributed little. The past season is one day removed, and the whole organization needs to head to a deserted island to sort out what went wrong- on every level.
Precisely.....Hue hasnt done a single thing to indicate that he is a quality talent evaluator....just based upon the final 53 and some of his head scratching roster moves, Id say he has questionable skills in rating and placing players on the field.....just my take....
And.....now that this completely dreadful season has mercifully ended.....Id like to thank you(Larry) and a few others for sticking to your(our) guns from day one......it's our second season to stand alone(on the opposite side of the sunshine vote), take the shots and fight against the irrational thinking of many.....but in the end, someone had to do it....popular or not.....
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