Which Positions on the Browns are most Deficient?
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I think you are fairly right on except for one big area: if you don't see how deficient we are at QB...then I don't know what team you have been watching for the past 17 years. Do you seriously have confidence in the RG/Kessler combo. No, no, no no no. Fuck no.
(and Garrapolo is not a FA. If he were, maybe.....but per everything I have heard the Pats want a 1st round pick for him. and fuck no to that)
Yeah, we need to address the QB position for sure, but being a 1-15 team, I think focusing on other deficiencies would give us more bang for the buck. It might also allow us to better assess our current QB lineup.Yeah, we need to address the QB position for sure, but being a 1-15 team, I think focusing on other deficiencies would give us more bang for the buck. It might also allow us to better assess our current QB lineup.Having how many? 12 draft picks allows us to focus on the other deficiencies and STILL address the QB question.
And we need to do it right off the top, as see this:
1. Cleveland Browns
2016 record: 1-15 (.549)
Top needs: QB, C/G, RB
Analysis: The Browns took a pass on Carson Wentz so now they are still looking for "that guy." One of the best ways to take pressure off of a young QB is to find a stud RB -- ask the Cowboys, who could also speak to the importance of finding interior blockers.
2. San Francisco 49ers
2016 record: 2-14 (.504)
Top needs: QB, OLB, OL
Analysis: So how do you shop for a team with needs across the board? Start with finding a QB to build around. The 49ers have to get better at guard and might need to start looking for another right tackle. Improving the pass rush off the edge could be a Round 1 focus.
3. Chicago Bears
2016 record: 3-13 (.521)
Top needs: QB, DB, OL
Analysis: Jay Cutler's dead cap money drops dramatically, which could lead to his departure. TheBears have spent their last couple of early round picks on their defensive front, but now they need to look to sharpen their secondary. I expect Chicago to bolster its OL depth.
6. New York Jets
2016 record: 5-11 (.518)
Top needs: QB, OLB, CB
Analysis: Sure, the Jets might believe Christian Hackenberg is their QB of the future, but adding competition seems like a smart thing to do. The Jets are talented up front, but they're still in need of an edge-bending rusher. Cornerback should be a high priority.
Four of the top 6 drafting teams are listed as having QB as their #1 priority need. And some yabos on here are saying the Browns should wait until #12 or #33 for the Browns to take a QB.
No QB will be around then. Not one we want.
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What do we need?
Whoever the absolute best player available at the time of our draft pick, probably fits an area of need for us.
QB position is judged on a curve...so although perhaps not the absolute best player available, could be the player that has to be drafted.
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Priority #1 is a pass rusher. We could get off the field so much more and give the ball to an adequate O so many more times if we just could force more mistakes/turnovers/loss of yards. It would vastly improve the secondary with not having to cover 6-7 seconds a play. Everything else is secondary including this down year for QBs. Desperation in that position is not equal too BPA.
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Paz is more than adequate - we don't need to replace him. And, Shon may be better once he's fully healed.
Collins is best as ILB, not OLB. His skill is slipping the interior blocks.
I'd say the D weaknesses are OLB and DB -- and DL given that we'll be selecting Allen with the #1.
Collins is best as ILB, not OLB. His skill is slipping the interior blocks.
Ahhh someone that knows football. Ive been saying this since the 2nd game he was here. If we were in 4-3 he'd be a silly blitzing beast of an olb'er. As a 3-4 olb'er tho......nope
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Priority #1 is a pass rusher. We could get off the field so much more and give the ball to an adequate O so many more times if we just could force more mistakes/turnovers/loss of yards. It would vastly improve the secondary with not having to cover 6-7 seconds a play. Everything else is secondary including this down year for QBs. Desperation in that position is not equal too BPA.
Priority #1 is a pass rusher. We could get off the field so much more and give the ball to an adequate O so many more times if we just could force more mistakes/turnovers/loss of yards. It would vastly improve the secondary with not having to cover 6-7 seconds a play. Everything else is secondary including this down year for QBs. Desperation in that position is not equal too BPA.
A. Nothing helps a team more than a quality person who touches the ball on every play. QB is our top priority.
B. It is not a down year for QB...unless you are comparing it to 1983 or 2004. I am of the opinion that Trubisky and Watson may both be better than either Goff or Wentz.
C. While we do need an edge rusher....that position has more depth this year than many positions. We should have taken the damn edge rusher last year with Bosa as I wanted....but that didn't happen. No one this year comes close to Bosa imo...not Garrett, not Allen. Unless we have the second coming of Bruce Smith there, I say we wait. But we can get a good one perhaps at 12. Williams perhaps or another.
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We just disagree Gip. All the QBs look like projects this year to me. But you put an Allen with any one of those great pass rushers in the draft @#12, then you have something. Or take Garrett with Foster or a great CB/SS. Put Garrett with Ogbah on the other side, that is automatic havoc. Ogbah started showing ability late in the season, but it can be enhanced when they have two to worry about, not unlike that team that Z does not like me to mention too often. We can have the makings of a truly great defense if we don't timidly accept one more punching bag behind the OL.
PS-and if we take that QB #1 overall, Garrett and Allen will both make the Browns look like fools as next year unfolds. They are just far better football players than any of those QBs.
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We just disagree Gip. All the QBs look like projects this year to me. But you put an Allen with any one of those great pass rushers in the draft @#12, then you have something. Or take Garrett with Foster or a great CB/SS. Put Garrett with Ogbah on the other side, that is automatic havoc. Ogbah started showing ability late in the season, but it can be enhanced when they have two to worry about, not unlike that team that Z does not like me to mention too often. We can have the makings of a truly great defense if we don't timidly accept one more punching bag behind the OL.
PS-and if we take that QB #1 overall, Garrett and Allen will both make the Browns look like fools as next year unfolds. They are just far better football players than any of those QBs.
Allen Garrett Foster .... are just far better football players than any of those QBs.
preach it!
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Which Positions on the Browns have the biggest deficiency in talent? I think they fall in this order:
1. Quarterback
I'm for drafting one. Keep McCown as a staff guy, keep Kessler, bring in a vet to push RG3 out, like Foles perhaps. But, and it's a big but, RG3 looks better than Foles, so be it.
2. Defensive Backfield (need 2)
For sure, I like Kindred, but we need another Safetyto help him out.
3. Right side of the OL..from OC to RT (need 2)
Shon Coleman? Spencer Drango? Can these 2 step it up so they can focus on other positions?
4. Outside edge rusher (need 1)
Wouldn't hurt, but remember Desmond Bryant should be returning. That may free up some options already on the roster to do that.
5. Inside LB (though, Davis and Kirksey are serviceable)
I like our LB core. If Kirksey played on Pitt or NE, he'd be all pro. I wouldn't be opposed to an upgrade over Davis, but he wasn't awful.
6. Tight End
All set IMHO
7. Wide Receiver
Definitely need help here. I'm not sold on Hawkins at all, he was invisible this year. Basically invisible since Hoyer left.
8. Running back
(it would not hurt the Browns to get a real play maker at one of these last 3 spots...or do you think we are sufficient
RBs are above average I think, even though Crow always looks like he is going to fall down. Duke is under- utilized.
Which Positions on the Browns have the biggest deficiency in talent? I think they fall in this order:
1. Quarterback
I'm for drafting one. Keep McCown as a staff guy, keep Kessler, bring in a vet to push RG3 out, like Foles perhaps. But, and it's a big but, RG3 looks better than Foles, so be it.
2. Defensive Backfield (need 2)
For sure, I like Kindred, but we need another Safetyto help him out.
3. Right side of the OL..from OC to RT (need 2)
Shon Coleman? Spencer Drango? Can these 2 step it up so they can focus on other positions?
4. Outside edge rusher (need 1)
Wouldn't hurt, but remember Desmond Bryant should be returning. That may free up some options already on the roster to do that.
5. Inside LB (though, Davis and Kirksey are serviceable)
I like our LB core. If Kirksey played on Pitt or NE, he'd be all pro. I wouldn't be opposed to an upgrade over Davis, but he wasn't awful.
6. Tight End
All set IMHO
7. Wide Receiver
Definitely need help here. I'm not sold on Hawkins at all, he was invisible this year. Basically invisible since Hoyer left.
8. Running back
(it would not hurt the Browns to get a real play maker at one of these last 3 spots...or do you think we are sufficient
RBs are above average I think, even though Crow always looks like he is going to fall down. Duke is under- utilized.
1: Hawkins has always been invisible. I understand wanting to keep a vet and leader, but how about one that can actually contribute. Why was he on the roster, but Gabriel was cut?
2: Crow does look like he going to fall down alot of the time, but at least he falls down for extra yards instead of backwards more often than not.
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Which Positions on the Browns have the biggest deficiency in talent? I think they fall in this order:
1. Quarterback
I'm for drafting one. Keep McCown as a staff guy, keep Kessler, bring in a vet to push RG3 out, like Foles perhaps. But, and it's a big but, RG3 looks better than Foles, so be it.
2. Defensive Backfield (need 2)
For sure, I like Kindred, but we need another Safetyto help him out.
3. Right side of the OL..from OC to RT (need 2)
Shon Coleman? Spencer Drango? Can these 2 step it up so they can focus on other positions?
4. Outside edge rusher (need 1)
Wouldn't hurt, but remember Desmond Bryant should be returning. That may free up some options already on the roster to do that.
5. Inside LB (though, Davis and Kirksey are serviceable)
I like our LB core. If Kirksey played on Pitt or NE, he'd be all pro. I wouldn't be opposed to an upgrade over Davis, but he wasn't awful.
6. Tight End
All set IMHO
7. Wide Receiver
Definitely need help here. I'm not sold on Hawkins at all, he was invisible this year. Basically invisible since Hoyer left.
8. Running back
(it would not hurt the Browns to get a real play maker at one of these last 3 spots...or do you think we are sufficient
RBs are above average I think, even though Crow always looks like he is going to fall down. Duke is under- utilized.
1: Hawkins has always been invisible. I understand wanting to keep a vet and leader, but how about one that can actually contribute. Why was he on the roster, but Gabriel was cut?
2: Crow does look like he going to fall down alot of the time, but at least he falls down for extra yards instead of backwards more often than not.
1: Hawkins has always been invisible. I understand wanting to keep a vet and leader, but how about one that can actually contribute. Why was he on the roster, but Gabriel was cut?
2: Crow does look like he going to fall down alot of the time, but at least he falls down for extra yards instead of backwards more often than not.
Hawkins was a guy Hue was familiar with, so he kept him and let Gabriel go. On the Browns, Gabriel was just a
fly pattern guy.
Gabriel with Matt Ryan, Devonta Freeman, Tevin Coleman, and Julio Jones= weapon.
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1: Hawkins has always been invisible. I understand wanting to keep a vet and leader, but how about one that can actually contribute. Why was he on the roster, but Gabriel was cut?
2: Crow does look like he going to fall down alot of the time, but at least he falls down for extra yards instead of backwards more often than not.
Hawkins was a guy Hue was familiar with, so he kept him and let Gabriel go. On the Browns, Gabriel was just a
fly pattern guy.
Gabriel with Matt Ryan, Devonta Freeman, Tevin Coleman, and Julio Jones= weapon.
Hawkins was a guy Hue was familiar with, so he kept him and let Gabriel go. On the Browns, Gabriel was just a
fly pattern guy.
Gabriel with Matt Ryan, Devonta Freeman, Tevin Coleman, and Julio Jones= weapon.
Oh I'm not trying to say he would have done just as well for us, but he basically went to the Falcons and did what he did for us his rookie year when we gave him opportunities to play. I understand Hue wanting his guy, but in a season where we cut vets and let others walknow all so we can let rookies and young guys start, they keep a vet with diminishing skill who hadn't done anything over two seasons and let a promising young guy walk who had actually produced.
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We just disagree Gip. All the QBs look like projects this year to me. But you put an Allen with any one of those great pass rushers in the draft @#12, then you have something. Or take Garrett with Foster or a great CB/SS. Put Garrett with Ogbah on the other side, that is automatic havoc. Ogbah started showing ability late in the season, but it can be enhanced when they have two to worry about, not unlike that team that Z does not like me to mention too often. We can have the makings of a truly great defense if we don't timidly accept one more punching bag behind the OL.
PS-and if we take that QB #1 overall, Garrett and Allen will both make the Browns look like fools as next year unfolds. They are just far better football players than any of those QBs.
We just disagree Gip. All the QBs look like projects this year to me. But you put an Allen with any one of those great pass rushers in the draft @#12, then you have something. Or take Garrett with Foster or a great CB/SS. Put Garrett with Ogbah on the other side, that is automatic havoc. Ogbah started showing ability late in the season, but it can be enhanced when they have two to worry about, not unlike that team that Z does not like me to mention too often. We can have the makings of a truly great defense if we don't timidly accept one more punching bag behind the OL.
PS-and if we take that QB #1 overall, Garrett and Allen will both make the Browns look like fools as next year unfolds. They are just far better football players than any of those QBs.
I don't know. Perhaps Garrett will be the second coming of Von Miller. (and that is what people think because they went to the same school.) Or he could be the second coming of Aundray Bruce.
And I am often skeptical about Alabama linemen. I feel that players at that school get a lot of "extra" help to perform, if you know what I mean.
Like I said, we blew our chance last year to get the top edge rusher. These guys, in my opinion, don't match up to him (Bosa).
This team is going nowhere without its future franchise QB. When you have that opportunity, you take it.
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@ghoolie said:
Fans
Is that a self assessment?
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Don't forget that we would also be in a great position to move UP from #12 if there's really a QB we like after the number one pick as well. If it meant giving the Titans 2nd rounder up to go get say a Trubisky at #8 where the Panthers it might worth it.
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Don't forget that we would also be in a great position to move UP from #12 if there's really a QB we like after the number one pick as well. If it meant giving the Titans 2nd rounder up to go get say a Trubisky at #8 where the Panthers it might worth it.
Don't forget that we would also be in a great position to move UP from #12 if there's really a QB we like after the number one pick as well. If it meant giving the Titans 2nd rounder up to go get say a Trubisky at #8 where the Panthers it might worth it.
He won't last til #8. See one of my other posts: 49ers, Jets, Bears, Bills....all need QBs. If he ain't our #1, he will go 2-3-4. And I think Watson will go in there somewhere with him.
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Don't forget that we would also be in a great position to move UP from #12 if there's really a QB we like after the number one pick as well. If it meant giving the Titans 2nd rounder up to go get say a Trubisky at #8 where the Panthers it might worth it.
He won't last til #8. See one of my other posts: 49ers, Jets, Bears, Bills....all need QBs. If he ain't our #1, he will go 2-3-4. And I think Watson will go in there somewhere with him.
He won't last til #8. See one of my other posts: 49ers, Jets, Bears, Bills....all need QBs. If he ain't our #1, he will go 2-3-4. And I think Watson will go in there somewhere with him.
You may be right, it's hard to say at this point how the QB rankings will play themselves out. I see people falling in love with Kizer though based on tangibles.
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Quarterback is the most important position, and we don't have one, so that tops the list.
Safety was probably our most deficient position this year. They couldn't cover, but they sucked against the run. No interceptions from the position, and no big hits that I remember either. It got slightly better at the the end of the year when Ed Reynolds came on a little bit and we transitioned Traymon Williams to safety, but one's old as dirt and the other spent half the year on the practice squad, so ... need some playmakers here.
C, RG and RT needs to be settled through the draft and the players we have, can't go through another season holding tryouts, that shit should be done by the third preseason game.
If we draft Garrett Allen I'm starting to like our front seven, but we've gotta keep that pipeline coming.
Another playmaker at WR.
We went the whole year without a blocking tight end, need a depth guy there.
Crow is a good RB. Three years of tread on him and contract coming up though, so need another guy there.
This kicker may have been consistent in between, but he lost his first game with us and our last, so he has to go. Throw one of those late round picks at a young guy we keep for years.
Always need corners.
Zombo
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Z-Auburn has one helllofa kicker-Daniel Carlson. Icewater veins and a strong leg. 28 of 32 FGs made and all 44 XPs this year. Think Justin Tucker or Mason Crosby level kicking.
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