What would you think of our top 3-4 picks going D
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@ghoolie said:
Yes......if the Browns selected these as their first 3 picks, I would think that a jackoff made them.
These top three were selected by the Brown and Orange Report - I only added King to add to the contaversy of taking all D in the first and second rounds. Having said that, I take it you don't agree with them? Those are 4 instant starters and with a high ceiling. The D was crap this year. Resign Collins and add these 4 players and a lot can change quickly on D.
Yes we still need to solve the QB and O-Line.
These top three were selected by the Brown and Orange Report - I only added King to add to the contaversy of taking all D in the first and second rounds. Having said that, I take it you don't agree with them? Those are 4 instant starters and with a high ceiling. The D was crap this year. Resign Collins and add these 4 players and a lot can change quickly on D.
Yes we still need to solve the QB and O-Line.
I would be sold on taking those three guys (or similar) then a center.
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Is Barnett the tennessee dude? If so, I'm all in on him. Allen, Barnett and a safety. Make the other teams afraid of our defense and the offense will get better.
Yes. A UT Vol. Kid just broke Reggie Whites sack total for all-time sack leader at UT.
When you start knocking Reggie White down a notch, you can't be a slouch.
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We have 2 2nd rounders next year so really we'd only be giving up a first next draft and a second the following draft... You wouldn't trade that to finally have a franchise QB that we could build around for the next five years? We would have drafted Garrett and Trubisky, staples on both offense and defense. Then we'd still own our 12th pick in the first...
We could simply trade up from 12 to 2 and save some picks on the backend but I would rather backload the picks so we can still build our team. If we did that then we wouldn't have such a need as we have now. Say we win the Superbowl next year or make the playoffs, our 1st rounder would probably be in the 20-30s anyways... then we still have our second rounder from philly to play with...
Fuck. No.
Trubisky isn't a #2 talent. I still sorta have heart burn about him at 12 but can sorta deal with it.
Fuck. No.
Trubisky isn't a #2 talent. I still sorta have heart burn about him at 12 but can sorta deal with it.
Right....he is not #2 talent. He is #1 talent. But he may not even come out from what I hear.....so it may be superfluous.
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Fuck. No.
Trubisky isn't a #2 talent. I still sorta have heart burn about him at 12 but can sorta deal with it.
Watch out. Gipper's about to be all riled up.
Watch out. Gipper's about to be all riled up.
As a new fan of the Browns....you may be all willing to continue to live in quarterback hell. But I have been a fan since the early 60s....and I don't want to wait around while the Browns continue to flounder around with this QB issue.
Unless you can give me a goddamn guarantee that a Jimmy Garropolo or AJ McCarron are the next coming of Brett Favre, I would rather take my chances of using the top commodity that any team can have: the #1 overall pick in the draft, on a QB.
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Is Barnett the tennessee dude? If so, I'm all in on him. Allen, Barnett and a safety. Make the other teams afraid of our defense and the offense will get better.
Yes. A UT Vol. Kid just broke Reggie Whites sack total for all-time sack leader at UT.
When you start knocking Reggie White down a notch, you can't be a slouch.
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Fuck. No.
Trubisky isn't a #2 talent. I still sorta have heart burn about him at 12 but can sorta deal with it.
Right....he is not #2 talent. He is #1 talent. But he may not even come out from what I hear.....so it may be superfluous.
Right....he is not #2 talent. He is #1 talent. But he may not even come out from what I hear.....so it may be superfluous.
He is not a top 15 talent imo.
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Right....he is not #2 talent. He is #1 talent. But he may not even come out from what I hear.....so it may be superfluous.
He is not a top 15 talent imo.
He is not a top 15 talent imo.
It doesn't matter what you think. It matters what NFL GMs think. If he comes out, he will go in Top 3.....guaranteed. They will assess that high. And their opinions will align more with mine than they do yours....guraranteed.
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He is not a top 15 talent imo.
It doesn't matter what you think. It matters what NFL GMs think. If he comes out, he will go in Top 3.....guaranteed. They will assess that high. And their opinions will align more with mine than they do yours....guraranteed.
It doesn't matter what you think. It matters what NFL GMs think. If he comes out, he will go in Top 3.....guaranteed. They will assess that high. And their opinions will align more with mine than they do yours....guraranteed.
Can't he just say the same thing to you ... It doesn't matter what you think?
Why are you digging in so much on this fucker? He has a great arm, but lots of people have had great arms, and they weren't all Top 3 material.
Zombo
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It doesn't matter what you think. It matters what NFL GMs think. If he comes out, he will go in Top 3.....guaranteed. They will assess that high. And their opinions will align more with mine than they do yours....guraranteed.
Can't he just say the same thing to you ... It doesn't matter what you think?
Why are you digging in so much on this fucker? He has a great arm, but lots of people have had great arms, and they weren't all Top 3 material.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Can't he just say the same thing to you ... It doesn't matter what you think?
Why are you digging in so much on this fucker? He has a great arm, but lots of people have had great arms, and they weren't all Top 3 material.
Zombo
In fairness, big vaguely mobile guys have been going high with people looking to replicate big ben - Wentz in 2016, Bortles in 2014, Tannehill in 2012, Newton in 2011...
I'm not sold that Trubisky is on the same level though.
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He is not a top 15 talent imo.
It doesn't matter what you think. It matters what NFL GMs think. If he comes out, he will go in Top 3.....guaranteed. They will assess that high. And their opinions will align more with mine than they do yours....guraranteed.
It doesn't matter what you think. It matters what NFL GMs think. If he comes out, he will go in Top 3.....guaranteed. They will assess that high. And their opinions will align more with mine than they do yours....guraranteed.
Then in a few years time if Mitch turns into Blaine Gabbert you have a fellow poster that can hang an opinion over you that was aligned with reason. Perhaps something more GM's should follow.
I look forward to seeing what happens either way.
There's only one scenario I'm comfortable with Mitch @ #1 and that involves a trade down of our second pick...which I'm an advocate for anyway. If at all possible to secure an additional 2nd rounder, then you go premier defense with your other first, Oline and secondary with your next 2. Then linebacker and depth following, especially in the trenches.
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It doesn't matter what you think. It matters what NFL GMs think. If he comes out, he will go in Top 3.....guaranteed. They will assess that high. And their opinions will align more with mine than they do yours....guraranteed.
Can't he just say the same thing to you ... It doesn't matter what you think?
Why are you digging in so much on this fucker? He has a great arm, but lots of people have had great arms, and they weren't all Top 3 material.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Can't he just say the same thing to you ... It doesn't matter what you think?
Why are you digging in so much on this fucker? He has a great arm, but lots of people have had great arms, and they weren't all Top 3 material.
Zombo
He can say the same to me....and yes, it doesn't matter what I think. Its just that I think that what I think will be proven right. i'e. I think some NFL GM....maybe ours will agree with me and take him Top 5.
And it is far more than just a great arm that I see. It is the whole package.
Tell you what, I will make the same deal with you I made with Stan: If MT comes out and is NOT taken in the Top 5 picks of the draft, I owe you a pitcher of Margaritas. Conditions: you and Stan must meet me at Maya....and each of you must consume one entire pitcher each, by yourselves, in one sitting.
Fair deal?
If I win, you buy the pitcher....but I will share it with you both. I am trying to stay off too much sugar.
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Zombo said:
Can't he just say the same thing to you ... It doesn't matter what you think?
Why are you digging in so much on this fucker? He has a great arm, but lots of people have had great arms, and they weren't all Top 3 material.
Zombo
In fairness, big vaguely mobile guys have been going high with people looking to replicate big ben - Wentz in 2016, Bortles in 2014, Tannehill in 2012, Newton in 2011...
I'm not sold that Trubisky is on the same level though.
In fairness, big vaguely mobile guys have been going high with people looking to replicate big ben - Wentz in 2016, Bortles in 2014, Tannehill in 2012, Newton in 2011...
I'm not sold that Trubisky is on the same level though.
As a prospect he is on the same level as all of them....except maybe Newton. How could he turn out. One never knows....hopefully...if we get him...more Newton/BR level. I someone else takes him....he is free to duplicate the Bortles/Tannehil path.
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It doesn't matter what you think. It matters what NFL GMs think. If he comes out, he will go in Top 3.....guaranteed. They will assess that high. And their opinions will align more with mine than they do yours....guraranteed.
Then in a few years time if Mitch turns into Blaine Gabbert you have a fellow poster that can hang an opinion over you that was aligned with reason. Perhaps something more GM's should follow.
I look forward to seeing what happens either way.
There's only one scenario I'm comfortable with Mitch @ #1 and that involves a trade down of our second pick...which I'm an advocate for anyway. If at all possible to secure an additional 2nd rounder, then you go premier defense with your other first, Oline and secondary with your next 2. Then linebacker and depth following, especially in the trenches.
Then in a few years time if Mitch turns into Blaine Gabbert you have a fellow poster that can hang an opinion over you that was aligned with reason. Perhaps something more GM's should follow.
I am sure I have had more than a few opinions that people can "hang over me". I mean, I am so well hung already a little longer dangle won't hurt me.
I look forward to seeing what happens either way.
And if I am right....I may dangle my well hungness over you!!
There's only one scenario I'm comfortable with Mitch @ #1 and that involves a trade down of our second pick...which I'm an advocate for anyway. If at all possible to secure an additional 2nd rounder, then you go premier defense with your other first, Oline and secondary with your next 2. Then linebacker and depth following, especially in the trenches.
I got no problem with that if it gets us more of what we need. For sure.
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Garrett #1
Trubisky #2
Hooker #12
what would it take to get SF's number 2?
We give SF
2017- 3rd round pick
2017- 4th round pick
2018- 1st round pick
2018- 2nd round pick
2018- 3rd round pick
-Or-
2017- 2nd round pick
2018- 1st round pick
2018- 2nd round pick
2019- 2nd round pick
?
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Yo, I'm late on this part of the conversation... whats up with the margaritas and why isn't everyone doing this?
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Zombo said:
Can't he just say the same thing to you ... It doesn't matter what you think?
Why are you digging in so much on this fucker? He has a great arm, but lots of people have had great arms, and they weren't all Top 3 material.
Zombo
In fairness, big vaguely mobile guys have been going high with people looking to replicate big ben - Wentz in 2016, Bortles in 2014, Tannehill in 2012, Newton in 2011...
I'm not sold that Trubisky is on the same level though.
In fairness, big vaguely mobile guys have been going high with people looking to replicate big ben - Wentz in 2016, Bortles in 2014, Tannehill in 2012, Newton in 2011...
I'm not sold that Trubisky is on the same level though.
I was not impressed with his bowl game. Was responsible for two turnovers and two sacks that cost Nc 15 points! I agree he has size and an arm, but he's a project and I can't spend a #1 overall on him with so many needs and so much talent at other positions. Yes, we have to solve our QB issues (per Gipper) but not this way. It's going to be Tim Couch all over again.
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6'3" 209 lbs is decent size, but not "big". Trubisky is smaller than Goff, Wentz, Winston, Mariota, Kizer, Allen, Mahomes etc. not to say he's undersized, but comparing him with worthlessberger is strange. Average, strong and mobile would be a better description of ol' Mitch.
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6'3" 209 lbs is decent size, but not "big". Trubisky is smaller than Goff, Wentz, Winston, Mariota, Kizer, Allen, Mahomes etc. not to say he's undersized, but comparing him with worthlessberger is strange. Average, strong and mobile would be a better description of ol' Mitch.
6'3" 209 lbs is decent size, but not "big". Trubisky is smaller than Goff, Wentz, Winston, Mariota, Kizer, Allen, Mahomes etc. not to say he's undersized, but comparing him with worthlessberger is strange. Average, strong and mobile would be a better description of ol' Mitch.
Average what? Height? He is same or taller than:
Rodgers
Dalton
Prescott
Stafford
Brees
Wilson
Cousins
At 6'3, his height/weight are not a problem.
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Zombo said:
Can't he just say the same thing to you ... It doesn't matter what you think?
Why are you digging in so much on this fucker? He has a great arm, but lots of people have had great arms, and they weren't all Top 3 material.
Zombo
He can say the same to me....and yes, it doesn't matter what I think. Its just that I think that what I think will be proven right. i'e. I think some NFL GM....maybe ours will agree with me and take him Top 5.
And it is far more than just a great arm that I see. It is the whole package.
Tell you what, I will make the same deal with you I made with Stan: If MT comes out and is NOT taken in the Top 5 picks of the draft, I owe you a pitcher of Margaritas. Conditions: you and Stan must meet me at Maya....and each of you must consume one entire pitcher each, by yourselves, in one sitting.
Fair deal?
If I win, you buy the pitcher....but I will share it with you both. I am trying to stay off too much sugar.
He can say the same to me....and yes, it doesn't matter what I think. Its just that I think that what I think will be proven right. i'e. I think some NFL GM....maybe ours will agree with me and take him Top 5.
And it is far more than just a great arm that I see. It is the whole package.
Tell you what, I will make the same deal with you I made with Stan: If MT comes out and is NOT taken in the Top 5 picks of the draft, I owe you a pitcher of Margaritas. Conditions: you and Stan must meet me at Maya....and each of you must consume one entire pitcher each, by yourselves, in one sitting.
Fair deal?
If I win, you buy the pitcher....but I will share it with you both. I am trying to stay off too much sugar.
Dude ... Me and Stan would be glad to drink multiple pitchers and pay for it ourselves ... so, I'm not saying he won't be a Top 5 pick ... I'm saying, I'm in.
Zombo
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