What would you think of our top 3-4 picks going D
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He is not a top 15 talent imo.
It doesn't matter what you think. It matters what NFL GMs think. If he comes out, he will go in Top 3.....guaranteed. They will assess that high. And their opinions will align more with mine than they do yours....guraranteed.
It doesn't matter what you think. It matters what NFL GMs think. If he comes out, he will go in Top 3.....guaranteed. They will assess that high. And their opinions will align more with mine than they do yours....guraranteed.
Then in a few years time if Mitch turns into Blaine Gabbert you have a fellow poster that can hang an opinion over you that was aligned with reason. Perhaps something more GM's should follow.
I look forward to seeing what happens either way.
There's only one scenario I'm comfortable with Mitch @ #1 and that involves a trade down of our second pick...which I'm an advocate for anyway. If at all possible to secure an additional 2nd rounder, then you go premier defense with your other first, Oline and secondary with your next 2. Then linebacker and depth following, especially in the trenches.
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It doesn't matter what you think. It matters what NFL GMs think. If he comes out, he will go in Top 3.....guaranteed. They will assess that high. And their opinions will align more with mine than they do yours....guraranteed.
Can't he just say the same thing to you ... It doesn't matter what you think?
Why are you digging in so much on this fucker? He has a great arm, but lots of people have had great arms, and they weren't all Top 3 material.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Can't he just say the same thing to you ... It doesn't matter what you think?
Why are you digging in so much on this fucker? He has a great arm, but lots of people have had great arms, and they weren't all Top 3 material.
Zombo
He can say the same to me....and yes, it doesn't matter what I think. Its just that I think that what I think will be proven right. i'e. I think some NFL GM....maybe ours will agree with me and take him Top 5.
And it is far more than just a great arm that I see. It is the whole package.
Tell you what, I will make the same deal with you I made with Stan: If MT comes out and is NOT taken in the Top 5 picks of the draft, I owe you a pitcher of Margaritas. Conditions: you and Stan must meet me at Maya....and each of you must consume one entire pitcher each, by yourselves, in one sitting.
Fair deal?
If I win, you buy the pitcher....but I will share it with you both. I am trying to stay off too much sugar.
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Zombo said:
Can't he just say the same thing to you ... It doesn't matter what you think?
Why are you digging in so much on this fucker? He has a great arm, but lots of people have had great arms, and they weren't all Top 3 material.
Zombo
In fairness, big vaguely mobile guys have been going high with people looking to replicate big ben - Wentz in 2016, Bortles in 2014, Tannehill in 2012, Newton in 2011...
I'm not sold that Trubisky is on the same level though.
In fairness, big vaguely mobile guys have been going high with people looking to replicate big ben - Wentz in 2016, Bortles in 2014, Tannehill in 2012, Newton in 2011...
I'm not sold that Trubisky is on the same level though.
As a prospect he is on the same level as all of them....except maybe Newton. How could he turn out. One never knows....hopefully...if we get him...more Newton/BR level. I someone else takes him....he is free to duplicate the Bortles/Tannehil path.
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It doesn't matter what you think. It matters what NFL GMs think. If he comes out, he will go in Top 3.....guaranteed. They will assess that high. And their opinions will align more with mine than they do yours....guraranteed.
Then in a few years time if Mitch turns into Blaine Gabbert you have a fellow poster that can hang an opinion over you that was aligned with reason. Perhaps something more GM's should follow.
I look forward to seeing what happens either way.
There's only one scenario I'm comfortable with Mitch @ #1 and that involves a trade down of our second pick...which I'm an advocate for anyway. If at all possible to secure an additional 2nd rounder, then you go premier defense with your other first, Oline and secondary with your next 2. Then linebacker and depth following, especially in the trenches.
Then in a few years time if Mitch turns into Blaine Gabbert you have a fellow poster that can hang an opinion over you that was aligned with reason. Perhaps something more GM's should follow.
I am sure I have had more than a few opinions that people can "hang over me". I mean, I am so well hung already a little longer dangle won't hurt me.
I look forward to seeing what happens either way.
And if I am right....I may dangle my well hungness over you!!
There's only one scenario I'm comfortable with Mitch @ #1 and that involves a trade down of our second pick...which I'm an advocate for anyway. If at all possible to secure an additional 2nd rounder, then you go premier defense with your other first, Oline and secondary with your next 2. Then linebacker and depth following, especially in the trenches.
I got no problem with that if it gets us more of what we need. For sure.
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Garrett #1
Trubisky #2
Hooker #12
what would it take to get SF's number 2?
We give SF
2017- 3rd round pick
2017- 4th round pick
2018- 1st round pick
2018- 2nd round pick
2018- 3rd round pick
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2017- 2nd round pick
2018- 1st round pick
2018- 2nd round pick
2019- 2nd round pick
?
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Yo, I'm late on this part of the conversation... whats up with the margaritas and why isn't everyone doing this?
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Zombo said:
Can't he just say the same thing to you ... It doesn't matter what you think?
Why are you digging in so much on this fucker? He has a great arm, but lots of people have had great arms, and they weren't all Top 3 material.
Zombo
In fairness, big vaguely mobile guys have been going high with people looking to replicate big ben - Wentz in 2016, Bortles in 2014, Tannehill in 2012, Newton in 2011...
I'm not sold that Trubisky is on the same level though.
In fairness, big vaguely mobile guys have been going high with people looking to replicate big ben - Wentz in 2016, Bortles in 2014, Tannehill in 2012, Newton in 2011...
I'm not sold that Trubisky is on the same level though.
I was not impressed with his bowl game. Was responsible for two turnovers and two sacks that cost Nc 15 points! I agree he has size and an arm, but he's a project and I can't spend a #1 overall on him with so many needs and so much talent at other positions. Yes, we have to solve our QB issues (per Gipper) but not this way. It's going to be Tim Couch all over again.
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6'3" 209 lbs is decent size, but not "big". Trubisky is smaller than Goff, Wentz, Winston, Mariota, Kizer, Allen, Mahomes etc. not to say he's undersized, but comparing him with worthlessberger is strange. Average, strong and mobile would be a better description of ol' Mitch.
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6'3" 209 lbs is decent size, but not "big". Trubisky is smaller than Goff, Wentz, Winston, Mariota, Kizer, Allen, Mahomes etc. not to say he's undersized, but comparing him with worthlessberger is strange. Average, strong and mobile would be a better description of ol' Mitch.
6'3" 209 lbs is decent size, but not "big". Trubisky is smaller than Goff, Wentz, Winston, Mariota, Kizer, Allen, Mahomes etc. not to say he's undersized, but comparing him with worthlessberger is strange. Average, strong and mobile would be a better description of ol' Mitch.
Average what? Height? He is same or taller than:
Rodgers
Dalton
Prescott
Stafford
Brees
Wilson
Cousins
At 6'3, his height/weight are not a problem.
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Zombo said:
Can't he just say the same thing to you ... It doesn't matter what you think?
Why are you digging in so much on this fucker? He has a great arm, but lots of people have had great arms, and they weren't all Top 3 material.
Zombo
He can say the same to me....and yes, it doesn't matter what I think. Its just that I think that what I think will be proven right. i'e. I think some NFL GM....maybe ours will agree with me and take him Top 5.
And it is far more than just a great arm that I see. It is the whole package.
Tell you what, I will make the same deal with you I made with Stan: If MT comes out and is NOT taken in the Top 5 picks of the draft, I owe you a pitcher of Margaritas. Conditions: you and Stan must meet me at Maya....and each of you must consume one entire pitcher each, by yourselves, in one sitting.
Fair deal?
If I win, you buy the pitcher....but I will share it with you both. I am trying to stay off too much sugar.
He can say the same to me....and yes, it doesn't matter what I think. Its just that I think that what I think will be proven right. i'e. I think some NFL GM....maybe ours will agree with me and take him Top 5.
And it is far more than just a great arm that I see. It is the whole package.
Tell you what, I will make the same deal with you I made with Stan: If MT comes out and is NOT taken in the Top 5 picks of the draft, I owe you a pitcher of Margaritas. Conditions: you and Stan must meet me at Maya....and each of you must consume one entire pitcher each, by yourselves, in one sitting.
Fair deal?
If I win, you buy the pitcher....but I will share it with you both. I am trying to stay off too much sugar.
Dude ... Me and Stan would be glad to drink multiple pitchers and pay for it ourselves ... so, I'm not saying he won't be a Top 5 pick ... I'm saying, I'm in.
Zombo
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He is not a top 15 talent imo.
It doesn't matter what you think. It matters what NFL GMs think. If he comes out, he will go in Top 3.....guaranteed. They will assess that high. And their opinions will align more with mine than they do yours....guraranteed.
It doesn't matter what you think. It matters what NFL GMs think. If he comes out, he will go in Top 3.....guaranteed. They will assess that high. And their opinions will align more with mine than they do yours....guraranteed.
QBs are overvalued. Of course they would rate him high. Tebow got picked in the first round at one point. So I am not terribly concerned about where pundits place QBs.
Apparently, you have got the Gipper autism and have locked down an opinion 4 months before the draft and anyone who disagrees is wrong.
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He can say the same to me....and yes, it doesn't matter what I think. Its just that I think that what I think will be proven right. i'e. I think some NFL GM....maybe ours will agree with me and take him Top 5.
And it is far more than just a great arm that I see. It is the whole package.
Tell you what, I will make the same deal with you I made with Stan: If MT comes out and is NOT taken in the Top 5 picks of the draft, I owe you a pitcher of Margaritas. Conditions: you and Stan must meet me at Maya....and each of you must consume one entire pitcher each, by yourselves, in one sitting.
Fair deal?
If I win, you buy the pitcher....but I will share it with you both. I am trying to stay off too much sugar.
Dude ... Me and Stan would be glad to drink multiple pitchers and pay for it ourselves ... so, I'm not saying he won't be a Top 5 pick ... I'm saying, I'm in.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Dude ... Me and Stan would be glad to drink multiple pitchers and pay for it ourselves ... so, I'm not saying he won't be a Top 5 pick ... I'm saying, I'm in.
Zombo
I am sure you would.....Perhaps there should be more meat and bones on the waiver.
How about this: If he goes Top 5, then you have to bring Zoe and her sister to the party.
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I'd love to see Foster fall to 12. My professional scouting report on him reads as such:
Reuben Foster is good at fucking shit up.
I'd love to see Foster fall to 12. My professional scouting report on him reads as such:
Reuben Foster is good at fucking shit up.
lmao.... Where do I subscribe?
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It doesn't matter what you think. It matters what NFL GMs think. If he comes out, he will go in Top 3.....guaranteed. They will assess that high. And their opinions will align more with mine than they do yours....guraranteed.
QBs are overvalued. Of course they would rate him high. Tebow got picked in the first round at one point. So I am not terribly concerned about where pundits place QBs.
Apparently, you have got the Gipper autism and have locked down an opinion 4 months before the draft and anyone who disagrees is wrong.
QBs are overvalued. Of course they would rate him high. Tebow got picked in the first round at one point. So I am not terribly concerned about where pundits place QBs.
Then you admit that you completely agree with me. And it isn't pundits that are of concerned....it is NFL GMs.
Or don't you get that? It was NFL GMs that chose Wentz and Goff.....two guys that may have in reality should have been 2d rounders #1 and #2.
Apparently, you have got the Gipper autism and have locked down an opinion 4 months before the draft and anyone who disagrees is wrong.
Or, maybe I am absolutely right....and you only disagree with me to disagree with me...choosing thereby to ignore the reality that QBs ARE going to be taken in the Top 5 of the draft.
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If the Browns jumped back up to 2, I would hope they walked away with Garrett and Allen.
If the Browns jumped back up to 2, I would hope they walked away with Garrett and Allen.
You mean "Allen and Garrett"...
Unless you can give me a goddamn guarantee that a Jimmy Garropolo or AJ McCarron are the next coming of Brett Favre...
Well one of us loses, since I'd want a guarantee they are not Brett Fucking Favre...
In fairness, big vaguely mobile guys have been going high with people looking to replicate big ben - Wentz in 2016, Bortles in 2014, Tannehill in 2012, Newton in 2011...
I'm not sold that Trubisky is on the same level though.
Like for starters... he's not that big.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Zombo said:
Dude ... Me and Stan would be glad to drink multiple pitchers and pay for it ourselves ... so, I'm not saying he won't be a Top 5 pick ... I'm saying, I'm in.
Zombo
I am sure you would.....Perhaps there should be more meat and bones on the waiver.
How about this: If he goes Top 5, then you have to bring Zoe and her sister to the party.
I am sure you would.....Perhaps there should be more meat and bones on the waiver.
How about this: If he goes Top 5, then you have to bring Zoe and her sister to the party.
Alright.
I'm not doubting you by the way, I am searching for information.
I am pretty much into the Browns current season all year and I don't even sniff draft stuff until after the season, so I am dipping into the pool.
You seem to be locked onto this guy, so I am thinking one of two things:
1. He's a local boy, and you love all things local, so you've decided you're just going to defend him to the death.
or:
2. You've seen him play a lot and were flat out amazed at his skills.
Because, here's me:
1. The local hook is nice and all, but I want the best player for the Browns. Lots of nice fluffy stories when we drafted Frye and Quinn, but they sucked.
and :
2. I've seen him play a few times and never been blown away. The only time I was really in "scout" mode was watching the second half of his bowl game. Was actually pretty down on him until his last drive when he showed a wicked arm. But comes off as raw and at 6'3 209 he is no Roethlisberger/Tannehill/Wentz body, not sure where people are coming up with that, he's closer to Colt McCoy.
So I am just trying to find out what the hubbub is all about.
If he comes out and rises up the chart like Wentz because of the arm/mobility combo, it won't shock me ... but Prescott had arm and mobility and went in fourth round.
So what am I missing? Accuracy? Intangibles? Smarts? Is he a dirt dog like Andrew Luck?
Someone sell him to me without mentioning his high school or his strong arm ... cause I need more.
Zombo
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Zombo said:
Can't he just say the same thing to you ... It doesn't matter what you think?
Why are you digging in so much on this fucker? He has a great arm, but lots of people have had great arms, and they weren't all Top 3 material.
Zombo
He can say the same to me....and yes, it doesn't matter what I think. Its just that I think that what I think will be proven right. i'e. I think some NFL GM....maybe ours will agree with me and take him Top 5.
And it is far more than just a great arm that I see. It is the whole package.
Tell you what, I will make the same deal with you I made with Stan: If MT comes out and is NOT taken in the Top 5 picks of the draft, I owe you a pitcher of Margaritas. Conditions: you and Stan must meet me at Maya....and each of you must consume one entire pitcher each, by yourselves, in one sitting.
Fair deal?
If I win, you buy the pitcher....but I will share it with you both. I am trying to stay off too much sugar.
He can say the same to me....and yes, it doesn't matter what I think. Its just that I think that what I think will be proven right. i'e. I think some NFL GM....maybe ours will agree with me and take him Top 5.
And it is far more than just a great arm that I see. It is the whole package.
Tell you what, I will make the same deal with you I made with Stan: If MT comes out and is NOT taken in the Top 5 picks of the draft, I owe you a pitcher of Margaritas. Conditions: you and Stan must meet me at Maya....and each of you must consume one entire pitcher each, by yourselves, in one sitting.
Fair deal?
If I win, you buy the pitcher....but I will share it with you both. I am trying to stay off too much sugar.
Try adding caffeine to your list....
Jesus, Gip...we get it. You're nearly out-Ghoolieing Ghoolie... and with one your patented, inside-the-quote, itemized replies to tia above the gap is barely discernible. Had you thrown in a cuss or two you'd have nailed it.
And all after "hearing" Trubs might not even come out...
Yo, I'm late on this part of the conversation... whats up with the margaritas and why isn't everyone doing this?
I'll bet you a pitcher we agree much more than we disagree this year... again...
I am sure you would.....Perhaps there should be more meat and bones on the waiver.
How about this: If he goes Top 5, then you have to bring Zoe and her sister to the party.
.. and in return? You bring "the Hooker"?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
If the Browns jumped back up to 2, I would hope they walked away with Garrett and Allen.
You mean "Allen and Garrett"...
Unless you can give me a goddamn guarantee that a Jimmy Garropolo or AJ McCarron are the next coming of Brett Favre...
Well one of us loses, since I'd want a guarantee they are not Brett Fucking Favre...
In fairness, big vaguely mobile guys have been going high with people looking to replicate big ben - Wentz in 2016, Bortles in 2014, Tannehill in 2012, Newton in 2011...
I'm not sold that Trubisky is on the same level though.
Like for starters... he's not that big.
You mean "Allen and Garrett"...
Well one of us loses, since I'd want a guarantee they are not Brett Fucking Favre...
So? You would not want a QB with Brett Favre like qualities?
I don't know if there is anything that can be said.
Like for starters... he's not that big.
How big does a QB have to be to win a Super Bowl?
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6'3" 209 lbs is decent size, but not "big". Trubisky is smaller than Goff, Wentz, Winston, Mariota, Kizer, Allen, Mahomes etc. not to say he's undersized, but comparing him with worthlessberger is strange. Average, strong and mobile would be a better description of ol' Mitch.
Average what? Height? He is same or taller than:
Rodgers
Dalton
Prescott
Stafford
Brees
Wilson
Cousins
At 6'3, his height/weight are not a problem.
Average what? Height? He is same or taller than:
Rodgers
Dalton
Prescott
Stafford
Brees
Wilson
Cousins
At 6'3, his height/weight are not a problem.
Calm down, Gip, I wasn't insulting your dream surrogate, I was simply saying that he isn't "big".
I swear, you read a convincing scouting report and you become a goose-stepper. Do you know what average means?
I listed several QBs taller than Trubisky and you tried to prove me wrong by listing several shorter than him....
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That's what average means!
But most importantly, I wasn't saying that Mitch isn't worthy of being our QB because he's small, I actually like Mitch. Calling a 209 lb. QB 'big' is just strange to me, all I'm saying.
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