What would you think of our top 3-4 picks going D
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You mean "Allen and Garrett"...
Well one of us loses, since I'd want a guarantee they are not Brett Fucking Favre...
So? You would not want a QB with Brett Favre like qualities?
I don't know if there is anything that can be said.
Like for starters... he's not that big.
How big does a QB have to be to win a Super Bowl?
You mean "Allen and Garrett"...
Well one of us loses, since I'd want a guarantee they are not Brett Fucking Favre...
So? You would not want a QB with Brett Favre like qualities?
I don't know if there is anything that can be said.
Like for starters... he's not that big.
How big does a QB have to be to win a Super Bowl?
You should know by now I'm not a Favre fan.
Typically, now you're changing the argument... you were the one putting Trubs in Big Ben's size category... not me.
And I generally don't reply inside a quote... and I'm not a lawyer... and you should stop giving folks here more reason to hate lawyers...
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He can say the same to me....and yes, it doesn't matter what I think. Its just that I think that what I think will be proven right. i'e. I think some NFL GM....maybe ours will agree with me and take him Top 5.
And it is far more than just a great arm that I see. It is the whole package.
Tell you what, I will make the same deal with you I made with Stan: If MT comes out and is NOT taken in the Top 5 picks of the draft, I owe you a pitcher of Margaritas. Conditions: you and Stan must meet me at Maya....and each of you must consume one entire pitcher each, by yourselves, in one sitting.
Fair deal?
If I win, you buy the pitcher....but I will share it with you both. I am trying to stay off too much sugar.
Try adding caffeine to your list....
Jesus, Gip...we get it. You're nearly out-Ghoolieing Ghoolie... and with one your patented, inside-the-quote, itemized replies to tia above the gap is barely discernible. Had you thrown in a cuss or two you'd have nailed it.
And all after "hearing" Trubs might not even come out...
Yo, I'm late on this part of the conversation... whats up with the margaritas and why isn't everyone doing this?
I'll bet you a pitcher we agree much more than we disagree this year... again...
I am sure you would.....Perhaps there should be more meat and bones on the waiver.
How about this: If he goes Top 5, then you have to bring Zoe and her sister to the party.
.. and in return? You bring "the Hooker"?
In general we seem to have a similar eye except on QB's. We agreed Manziel would not be what he was drafted for. I'm terms of prospects we differed on Grayson and Wentz/Goff if I remember right.I'll bet you a pitcher we agree much more than we disagree this year... again...
Draft seems clear cut this year. I feel we agree on our first pick. Beyond that...?
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You mean "Allen and Garrett"...
Well one of us loses, since I'd want a guarantee they are not Brett Fucking Favre...
So? You would not want a QB with Brett Favre like qualities?
I don't know if there is anything that can be said.
Like for starters... he's not that big.
How big does a QB have to be to win a Super Bowl?
You should know by now I'm not a Favre fan.
Typically, now you're changing the argument... you were the one putting Trubs in Big Ben's size category... not me.
And I generally don't reply inside a quote... and I'm not a lawyer... and you should stop giving folks here more reason to hate lawyers...
You should know by now I'm not a Favre fan.
And why is that? He was, after all one of the biggest winners of all time.
Typically, now you're changing the argument... you were the one putting Trubs in Big Ben's size category... not me.
Bullshit. I never said one fucking word about him being that size. What is BR....6'5 250? I never claimed that at all.
And I generally don't reply inside a quote... and I'm not a lawyer... and you should stop giving folks here more reason to hate lawyers...
No, my clients love me, and they hate the others guy's lawyers.
Didn't you know that is the way it is?
People don't like lawyers because they have to pay lawyers to get them out of trouble.
If you didn't get in trouble in the first place you wouldn't have to pay.
And if you didn't get in trouble in the first place you wouldn't have some other persons lawyer coming after you.
So, it all falls on you: if you didn't fuck up, you wouldn't have to hate the other lawyer and you wouldn't have to pay your own.
Moral of the story: don't be a fuckup.
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How not, Trubisky is in the top 10 sometimes top 5 of every draftboard I've seen. The value is there. The "value" is that our favorite QB will not be available when we pick again. We won't be a competitive franchise until we have a guy that can at least be mediocre as a starting QB in the NFL. The best way to do that is to get your favorite QB in the draft.You want #1 overall to go QB? With this year's crop? I'm not sure I see value there.
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I'm with you on arm strength and mobility, I've seen those.
Did not know he possessed all those other things. His "touch" must have been off the times I caught him.
Zombo
Despite my criticism of his bowl game, I also remember the last minute drive for a TD which was under time pressure, blitz pressure, and he hit 3 receivers for the touchdown - hit them right in the numbers - and only one of them hung on to the ball.
The longest throw was a beauty - right in the sprinting receivers chest - and he drops the fooking ball! Yes, he made several costly mistakes but certainly has more talent than just arm strength and mobility. He's accurate and plays well for someone that's only started this year.
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I'm with you on arm strength and mobility, I've seen those.
Did not know he possessed all those other things. His "touch" must have been off the times I caught him.
Zombo
Despite my criticism of his bowl game, I also remember the last minute drive for a TD which was under time pressure, blitz pressure, and he hit 3 receivers for the touchdown - hit them right in the numbers - and only one of them hung on to the ball.
The longest throw was a beauty - right in the sprinting receivers chest - and he drops the fooking ball! Yes, he made several costly mistakes but certainly has more talent than just arm strength and mobility. He's accurate and plays well for someone that's only started this year.
I'm with you on arm strength and mobility, I've seen those.
Did not know he possessed all those other things. His "touch" must have been off the times I caught him.
Zombo
Despite my criticism of his bowl game, I also remember the last minute drive for a TD which was under time pressure, blitz pressure, and he hit 3 receivers for the touchdown - hit them right in the numbers - and only one of them hung on to the ball.
The longest throw was a beauty - right in the sprinting receivers chest - and he drops the fooking ball! Yes, he made several costly mistakes but certainly has more talent than just arm strength and mobility. He's accurate and plays well for someone that's only started this year.
one great throw does not make a #1 pick.
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1. OLB Myles Garrett
2. S Jamal Adams
33. FS Budda Baker
and let's throw in:
Desmond King, CB Iowa (assuming he's still available by then)
Thoughts?
1. OLB Myles Garrett
2. S Jamal Adams
33. FS Budda Baker
and let's throw in:
Desmond King, CB Iowa (assuming he's still available by then)
Thoughts?
Depends on who we have as DC.
If we're still 3-4, I want Allen (stack him with Shelton & Des Bryant), and I really like Adams (he could probably even rover to LB at times), though I'd prefer Foster or Cunningham.
But if we're 4-3, then YES, absofuckinlutely Garrett, Adams, Baker, best avail CB.
Four defensive picks.
"If I'm curt with you it's because time is a factor. I think fast, I talk fast, and I need you guys to act fast if you wanna get out of this. So, pretty please... with sugar on top. Fix the fucking defense."
Gregg "The Wolf" Williams
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@ghoolie said:
I wipe my ass with the Browns and Orange report. Why not quote what Seth Myers, or some other gay, homo, cocksucker thinks we should do in the draft?
The Browns need a QB. Hey don't need anything else. hey can draft all the "fill" players they want. Hey need to get a QB. The rest is horse shit.
If we drafted Geno Smith, would be ok then and not need anything else?
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1. OLB Myles Garrett
2. S Jamal Adams
33. FS Budda Baker
and let's throw in:
Desmond King, CB Iowa (assuming he's still available by then)
Thoughts?
Depends on who we have as DC.
If we're still 3-4, I want Allen (stack him with Shelton & Des Bryant), and I really like Adams (he could probably even rover to LB at times), though I'd prefer Foster or Cunningham.
But if we're 4-3, then YES, absofuckinlutely Garrett, Adams, Baker, best avail CB.
Four defensive picks.
"If I'm curt with you it's because time is a factor. I think fast, I talk fast, and I need you guys to act fast if you wanna get out of this. So, pretty please... with sugar on top. Fix the fucking defense."
Gregg "The Wolf" Williams
If we're still 3-4, I want Allen (stack him with Shelton & Des Bryant)...
You are damn near as smart as you are good looking...
@ghoolie said:
Why not quote what Seth Myers, or some other gay, homo, cocksucker thinks we should do in the draft?
Someone like you?
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'43' and '34' be damned. The idea of that being exclusively what we run is antiquated.
I'm still taking Allen either way.
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No argument that the front seven is more fluid than it's ever been, tia, but DCs still have a leaning... a "first love"... a preference.
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No argument that the front seven is more fluid than it's ever been, tia, but DCs still have a leaning... a "first love"... a preference.
No argument that the front seven is more fluid than it's ever been, tia, but DCs still have a leaning... a "first love"... a preference.
Preference is still nickel personnel which general includes 4 man fronts in either 33 or 42 looks. In which case, I go with the player that can handle multiple spots and subpackage roles.
Allen.
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'43' and '34' be damned. The idea of that being exclusively what we run is antiquated.
I'm still taking Allen either way.
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No argument that the front seven is more fluid than it's ever been, tia, but DCs still have a leaning... a "first love"... a preference.
Preference is still nickel personnel which general includes 4 man fronts in either 33 or 42 looks. In which case, I go with the player that can handle multiple spots and subpackage roles.
Allen.
As appealing as a 3-man fronted by Bryant - Shelton - Allen?
Or a 4-man of Garrett - Shelton - Bryant - Ogbah?
Throw in backer sets of Collins - Kirksey - Foster - Orchard or Collins - Foster - Kirksey?
I think I'm sprouting wood... either way... although Orchard would be my weak link and I like Foster better paired at ILB than solo at MLB.
Preference is still nickel personnel which general includes 4 man fronts in either 33 or 42 looks. In which case, I go with the player that can handle multiple spots and subpackage roles.
Allen.
That's one agreement towards my free pitcher. I'd rather slide an Allen in from my base than stand a Garrett up to make my base.
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Watch out. Gipper's about to be all riled up.
As a new fan of the Browns....you may be all willing to continue to live in quarterback hell. But I have been a fan since the early 60s....and I don't want to wait around while the Browns continue to flounder around with this QB issue.
Unless you can give me a goddamn guarantee that a Jimmy Garropolo or AJ McCarron are the next coming of Brett Favre, I would rather take my chances of using the top commodity that any team can have: the #1 overall pick in the draft, on a QB.
As a new fan of the Browns....you may be all willing to continue to live in quarterback hell. But I have been a fan since the early 60s....and I don't want to wait around while the Browns continue to flounder around with this QB issue.
Unless you can give me a goddamn guarantee that a Jimmy Garropolo or AJ McCarron are the next coming of Brett Favre, I would rather take my chances of using the top commodity that any team can have: the #1 overall pick in the draft, on a QB.
Not at all a new fan of the Browns, just not a crusty old man.
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As appealing as a 3-man fronted by Bryant - Shelton - Allen?
Or a 4-man of Garrett - Shelton - Bryant - Ogbah?
Throw in backer sets of Collins - Kirksey - Foster - Orchard or Collins - Foster - Kirksey?
I think I'm sprouting wood... either way... although Orchard would be my weak link and I like Foster better paired at ILB than solo at MLB.
Preference is still nickel personnel which general includes 4 man fronts in either 33 or 42 looks. In which case, I go with the player that can handle multiple spots and subpackage roles.
Allen.
That's one agreement towards my free pitcher. I'd rather slide an Allen in from my base than stand a Garrett up to make my base.
As appealing as a 3-man fronted by Bryant - Shelton - Allen?
Or a 4-man of Garrett - Shelton - Bryant - Ogbah?
Throw in backer sets of Collins - Kirksey - Foster - Orchard or Collins - Foster - Kirksey?
I think I'm sprouting wood... either way... although Orchard would be my weak link and I like Foster better paired at ILB than solo at MLB.
That's one agreement towards my free pitcher. I'd rather slide an Allen in from my base than stand a Garrett up to make my base.
That pretty much sums up what I want to see, Allen if we are primarily 3-4 and Garrett if we are 4-3. And Foster @#12 if he is still there. That guy is the best Bama has had at the position in a long time and that says a lot. Of course he has also had the best damn DL in front of him I've seen there too, but nonetheless he is a ball seeking Kamikaze.
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As appealing as a 3-man fronted by Bryant - Shelton - Allen?
Or a 4-man of Garrett - Shelton - Bryant - Ogbah?
Throw in backer sets of Collins - Kirksey - Foster - Orchard or Collins - Foster - Kirksey?
I think I'm sprouting wood... either way... although Orchard would be my weak link and I like Foster better paired at ILB than solo at MLB.
That's one agreement towards my free pitcher. I'd rather slide an Allen in from my base than stand a Garrett up to make my base.
That pretty much sums up what I want to see, Allen if we are primarily 3-4 and Garrett if we are 4-3. And Foster @#12 if he is still there. That guy is the best Bama has had at the position in a long time and that says a lot. Of course he has also had the best damn DL in front of him I've seen there too, but nonetheless he is a ball seeking Kamikaze.
That pretty much sums up what I want to see, Allen if we are primarily 3-4 and Garrett if we are 4-3. And Foster @#12 if he is still there. That guy is the best Bama has had at the position in a long time and that says a lot. Of course he has also had the best damn DL in front of him I've seen there too, but nonetheless he is a ball seeking Kamikaze.
A Garrett or Allen then Foster first round would be a homerun.
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That pretty much sums up what I want to see, Allen if we are primarily 3-4 and Garrett if we are 4-3. And Foster @#12 if he is still there. That guy is the best Bama has had at the position in a long time and that says a lot. Of course he has also had the best damn DL in front of him I've seen there too, but nonetheless he is a ball seeking Kamikaze.
A Garrett or Allen then Foster first round would be a homerun.
A Garrett or Allen then Foster first round would be a homerun.
Absolutely, if Foster makes it to #12 overall. I'm hoping Malik Hooker can make it to #12 overall; but I remember Eric Berry being drafted at #6 overall before we drafted Joe Haden at #7 overall.
If we played in a more sound 34 defense that didn't have to compensate for the risk of zone blitzes with very disturbing/undisciplined zone coverages and transitions - LBer may not be as necessary as Horton's defense made it look especially if we hire a different DC. I think Safety is a huge weakness we have to address; and there should be some good ones on our doorstep early or at the top of round 2 if Hooker is already gone.
Look at some Superbowl Champions from our division:
Ed Reed and Pollyneedsahaircut were big play guys on those defenses. Before that, Carnell Lake made an easy transition from OLBer at UCLA to some Pro Bowls at Safety for Pittsburgh. Now compare them to what we have right now.
Other Previous Superbowl Champions had:
Earl Thomas & Kam Chancellor
TJ Ward
Rodneys Harrisons
Darren Woodson
Ronnie Lott
Steve Atwater
John Lynch
Bob Sanders
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True, Flugs, but all those Safeties had some pressure generating front sevens to play behind. And in some cases the Safeties joined in the QB-thumping fun.
I don't mind a Hooker or Adams at #12 if they fall to us, but only if Foster is gone.
#F2B&I/O
... or in English: Front to Back and Inside Out...
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