What would you think of our top 3-4 picks going D
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I'm with you on arm strength and mobility, I've seen those.
Did not know he possessed all those other things. His "touch" must have been off the times I caught him.
Zombo
Despite my criticism of his bowl game, I also remember the last minute drive for a TD which was under time pressure, blitz pressure, and he hit 3 receivers for the touchdown - hit them right in the numbers - and only one of them hung on to the ball.
The longest throw was a beauty - right in the sprinting receivers chest - and he drops the fooking ball! Yes, he made several costly mistakes but certainly has more talent than just arm strength and mobility. He's accurate and plays well for someone that's only started this year.
I'm with you on arm strength and mobility, I've seen those.
Did not know he possessed all those other things. His "touch" must have been off the times I caught him.
Zombo
Despite my criticism of his bowl game, I also remember the last minute drive for a TD which was under time pressure, blitz pressure, and he hit 3 receivers for the touchdown - hit them right in the numbers - and only one of them hung on to the ball.
The longest throw was a beauty - right in the sprinting receivers chest - and he drops the fooking ball! Yes, he made several costly mistakes but certainly has more talent than just arm strength and mobility. He's accurate and plays well for someone that's only started this year.
one great throw does not make a #1 pick.
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1. OLB Myles Garrett
2. S Jamal Adams
33. FS Budda Baker
and let's throw in:
Desmond King, CB Iowa (assuming he's still available by then)
Thoughts?
1. OLB Myles Garrett
2. S Jamal Adams
33. FS Budda Baker
and let's throw in:
Desmond King, CB Iowa (assuming he's still available by then)
Thoughts?
Depends on who we have as DC.
If we're still 3-4, I want Allen (stack him with Shelton & Des Bryant), and I really like Adams (he could probably even rover to LB at times), though I'd prefer Foster or Cunningham.
But if we're 4-3, then YES, absofuckinlutely Garrett, Adams, Baker, best avail CB.
Four defensive picks.
"If I'm curt with you it's because time is a factor. I think fast, I talk fast, and I need you guys to act fast if you wanna get out of this. So, pretty please... with sugar on top. Fix the fucking defense."
Gregg "The Wolf" Williams
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@ghoolie said:
I wipe my ass with the Browns and Orange report. Why not quote what Seth Myers, or some other gay, homo, cocksucker thinks we should do in the draft?
The Browns need a QB. Hey don't need anything else. hey can draft all the "fill" players they want. Hey need to get a QB. The rest is horse shit.
If we drafted Geno Smith, would be ok then and not need anything else?
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1. OLB Myles Garrett
2. S Jamal Adams
33. FS Budda Baker
and let's throw in:
Desmond King, CB Iowa (assuming he's still available by then)
Thoughts?
Depends on who we have as DC.
If we're still 3-4, I want Allen (stack him with Shelton & Des Bryant), and I really like Adams (he could probably even rover to LB at times), though I'd prefer Foster or Cunningham.
But if we're 4-3, then YES, absofuckinlutely Garrett, Adams, Baker, best avail CB.
Four defensive picks.
"If I'm curt with you it's because time is a factor. I think fast, I talk fast, and I need you guys to act fast if you wanna get out of this. So, pretty please... with sugar on top. Fix the fucking defense."
Gregg "The Wolf" Williams
If we're still 3-4, I want Allen (stack him with Shelton & Des Bryant)...
You are damn near as smart as you are good looking...
@ghoolie said:
Why not quote what Seth Myers, or some other gay, homo, cocksucker thinks we should do in the draft?
Someone like you?
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'43' and '34' be damned. The idea of that being exclusively what we run is antiquated.
I'm still taking Allen either way.
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No argument that the front seven is more fluid than it's ever been, tia, but DCs still have a leaning... a "first love"... a preference.
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No argument that the front seven is more fluid than it's ever been, tia, but DCs still have a leaning... a "first love"... a preference.
No argument that the front seven is more fluid than it's ever been, tia, but DCs still have a leaning... a "first love"... a preference.
Preference is still nickel personnel which general includes 4 man fronts in either 33 or 42 looks. In which case, I go with the player that can handle multiple spots and subpackage roles.
Allen.
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'43' and '34' be damned. The idea of that being exclusively what we run is antiquated.
I'm still taking Allen either way.
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No argument that the front seven is more fluid than it's ever been, tia, but DCs still have a leaning... a "first love"... a preference.
Preference is still nickel personnel which general includes 4 man fronts in either 33 or 42 looks. In which case, I go with the player that can handle multiple spots and subpackage roles.
Allen.
As appealing as a 3-man fronted by Bryant - Shelton - Allen?
Or a 4-man of Garrett - Shelton - Bryant - Ogbah?
Throw in backer sets of Collins - Kirksey - Foster - Orchard or Collins - Foster - Kirksey?
I think I'm sprouting wood... either way... although Orchard would be my weak link and I like Foster better paired at ILB than solo at MLB.
Preference is still nickel personnel which general includes 4 man fronts in either 33 or 42 looks. In which case, I go with the player that can handle multiple spots and subpackage roles.
Allen.
That's one agreement towards my free pitcher. I'd rather slide an Allen in from my base than stand a Garrett up to make my base.
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Watch out. Gipper's about to be all riled up.
As a new fan of the Browns....you may be all willing to continue to live in quarterback hell. But I have been a fan since the early 60s....and I don't want to wait around while the Browns continue to flounder around with this QB issue.
Unless you can give me a goddamn guarantee that a Jimmy Garropolo or AJ McCarron are the next coming of Brett Favre, I would rather take my chances of using the top commodity that any team can have: the #1 overall pick in the draft, on a QB.
As a new fan of the Browns....you may be all willing to continue to live in quarterback hell. But I have been a fan since the early 60s....and I don't want to wait around while the Browns continue to flounder around with this QB issue.
Unless you can give me a goddamn guarantee that a Jimmy Garropolo or AJ McCarron are the next coming of Brett Favre, I would rather take my chances of using the top commodity that any team can have: the #1 overall pick in the draft, on a QB.
Not at all a new fan of the Browns, just not a crusty old man.
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As appealing as a 3-man fronted by Bryant - Shelton - Allen?
Or a 4-man of Garrett - Shelton - Bryant - Ogbah?
Throw in backer sets of Collins - Kirksey - Foster - Orchard or Collins - Foster - Kirksey?
I think I'm sprouting wood... either way... although Orchard would be my weak link and I like Foster better paired at ILB than solo at MLB.
Preference is still nickel personnel which general includes 4 man fronts in either 33 or 42 looks. In which case, I go with the player that can handle multiple spots and subpackage roles.
Allen.
That's one agreement towards my free pitcher. I'd rather slide an Allen in from my base than stand a Garrett up to make my base.
As appealing as a 3-man fronted by Bryant - Shelton - Allen?
Or a 4-man of Garrett - Shelton - Bryant - Ogbah?
Throw in backer sets of Collins - Kirksey - Foster - Orchard or Collins - Foster - Kirksey?
I think I'm sprouting wood... either way... although Orchard would be my weak link and I like Foster better paired at ILB than solo at MLB.
That's one agreement towards my free pitcher. I'd rather slide an Allen in from my base than stand a Garrett up to make my base.
That pretty much sums up what I want to see, Allen if we are primarily 3-4 and Garrett if we are 4-3. And Foster @#12 if he is still there. That guy is the best Bama has had at the position in a long time and that says a lot. Of course he has also had the best damn DL in front of him I've seen there too, but nonetheless he is a ball seeking Kamikaze.
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As appealing as a 3-man fronted by Bryant - Shelton - Allen?
Or a 4-man of Garrett - Shelton - Bryant - Ogbah?
Throw in backer sets of Collins - Kirksey - Foster - Orchard or Collins - Foster - Kirksey?
I think I'm sprouting wood... either way... although Orchard would be my weak link and I like Foster better paired at ILB than solo at MLB.
That's one agreement towards my free pitcher. I'd rather slide an Allen in from my base than stand a Garrett up to make my base.
That pretty much sums up what I want to see, Allen if we are primarily 3-4 and Garrett if we are 4-3. And Foster @#12 if he is still there. That guy is the best Bama has had at the position in a long time and that says a lot. Of course he has also had the best damn DL in front of him I've seen there too, but nonetheless he is a ball seeking Kamikaze.
That pretty much sums up what I want to see, Allen if we are primarily 3-4 and Garrett if we are 4-3. And Foster @#12 if he is still there. That guy is the best Bama has had at the position in a long time and that says a lot. Of course he has also had the best damn DL in front of him I've seen there too, but nonetheless he is a ball seeking Kamikaze.
A Garrett or Allen then Foster first round would be a homerun.
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That pretty much sums up what I want to see, Allen if we are primarily 3-4 and Garrett if we are 4-3. And Foster @#12 if he is still there. That guy is the best Bama has had at the position in a long time and that says a lot. Of course he has also had the best damn DL in front of him I've seen there too, but nonetheless he is a ball seeking Kamikaze.
A Garrett or Allen then Foster first round would be a homerun.
A Garrett or Allen then Foster first round would be a homerun.
Absolutely, if Foster makes it to #12 overall. I'm hoping Malik Hooker can make it to #12 overall; but I remember Eric Berry being drafted at #6 overall before we drafted Joe Haden at #7 overall.
If we played in a more sound 34 defense that didn't have to compensate for the risk of zone blitzes with very disturbing/undisciplined zone coverages and transitions - LBer may not be as necessary as Horton's defense made it look especially if we hire a different DC. I think Safety is a huge weakness we have to address; and there should be some good ones on our doorstep early or at the top of round 2 if Hooker is already gone.
Look at some Superbowl Champions from our division:
Ed Reed and Pollyneedsahaircut were big play guys on those defenses. Before that, Carnell Lake made an easy transition from OLBer at UCLA to some Pro Bowls at Safety for Pittsburgh. Now compare them to what we have right now.
Other Previous Superbowl Champions had:
Earl Thomas & Kam Chancellor
TJ Ward
Rodneys Harrisons
Darren Woodson
Ronnie Lott
Steve Atwater
John Lynch
Bob Sanders
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True, Flugs, but all those Safeties had some pressure generating front sevens to play behind. And in some cases the Safeties joined in the QB-thumping fun.
I don't mind a Hooker or Adams at #12 if they fall to us, but only if Foster is gone.
#F2B&I/O
... or in English: Front to Back and Inside Out...
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True, Flugs, but all those Safeties had some pressure generating front sevens to play behind. And in some cases the Safeties joined in the QB-thumping fun.
I don't mind a Hooker or Adams at #12 if they fall to us, but only if Foster is gone.
#F2B&I/O
... or in English: Front to Back and Inside Out...
True, Flugs, but all those Safeties had some pressure generating front sevens to play behind. And in some cases the Safeties joined in the QB-thumping fun.
I don't mind a Hooker or Adams at #12 if they fall to us, but only if Foster is gone.
They sure did but I think the presence of Allen up front could really spark our ability to hurry the passer and stop the run.
Understandable about Hooker or Adams at 12 only if Foster is gone.
If we started off with a first round beginning with Allen and Foster/Hooker, I could dig us drafting Ohio State's Center (Pat Elfein) at the top of round 2. The alternative Center choice out of LSU is 6'7" tall leading me to worry about how well he bends in terms of how his leverage will hold up against shorter/squattier 330-370 pound DTs/NTs.
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I'm with you on arm strength and mobility, I've seen those.
Did not know he possessed all those other things. His "touch" must have been off the times I caught him.
Zombo
Despite my criticism of his bowl game, I also remember the last minute drive for a TD which was under time pressure, blitz pressure, and he hit 3 receivers for the touchdown - hit them right in the numbers - and only one of them hung on to the ball.
The longest throw was a beauty - right in the sprinting receivers chest - and he drops the fooking ball! Yes, he made several costly mistakes but certainly has more talent than just arm strength and mobility. He's accurate and plays well for someone that's only started this year.
one great throw does not make a #1 pick.
one great throw does not make a #1 pick.
He made a bunch of them Mik, his first TD pass was perfect. I still have the game on my DVR, and I'll give it another look.
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He made a bunch of them Mik, his first TD pass was perfect. I still have the game on my DVR, and I'll give it another look.
Was it a progression read from the pocket or a pre-determined timing pattern thrown to an area of the field off a pre-specified drop back?
Danny Kanell recently said about the Freshman QB at Texas that he hadn't seen a gorgeous deep ball like that in the Lone Star state since RG3. But, if you ask RG3 to read progressions - he's going to look he was the pinball wizard in a pocket The Who lyrics accurately described as "deaf, dumb and blind." Unfortunately, we've also learned that deep ball arm he had coming out of college has an expiration date of late October in a Great Lake Climate.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
There any actual merit to this front to back and inside out other than being more attractive than the alternative to an engineer/math guy's mind?
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Always wipe front to back
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