Greg Williams Hired
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I'm going to call it right now that next year we have a top 10 defense in points allowed.
Until after 4 games we don't, and you call for Williams' firing, of course.
Until after 4 games we don't, and you call for Williams' firing, of course.
Except Ray Horton needed firing and it took about 8 games. 4 preseason 4 regular and watching camp to figure that out. Plus of course the 2013 season.
Don't worry war you'll get it right next time
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Connecting some dots here, I think Browns will go with Allen.
- Jim Donovan reported on CBD that Sashi Brown and Co. scouted at Alabama game and they were blown away by Allen.
- Rams with Williams drafted a DT in Aaron Donald in 2014, the same year and shortly after they hired Williams.
- Browns have Nassib and Ogbah who can play as 4-3 DE, making Garrett less necessary.
- Good possibility the Browns will get extended time with Allen coaching the south in senior bowl. Meaning they will get to know him better than Garrett.
My guess is they lured Williams with the prospect of having the #1 pick go to defense and Williams will lure Waufle with the prospect of getting to coach Allen.
My guess is they lured Williams with the prospect of having the #1 pick go to defense
been hearing this from a lot of people in here. that's all and good if the pick isn't a bust. then it'll be biz as usual around here.
don't get me wrong. i think the hire is a move in the right direction BUT if everyone thinks that one hire is going to fix what we saw this past season they're nuts.
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Zombo said:
Seems like we drafted for the 4-3 last year. Ahead of the curve, finally?
Z
Alot of our OLB in the 3-4 were natural 4-3 DE in college. Plus Meder is more of a typical 4-3 DT.
Pardone' me for a moment... why is it Garrett if it's a 4-3 base? Allen can do both.
I'm not sold on Garrett's intensity. Allen outshines him in that regard bigtime. Allen is
a wrecking crew by himself - Garrett reminds me of Courtney Brown or Mingo.
just my dumb opinion. But If I was picking, Allen is the guy I'm drafting. He plays violently,
aggressively like Danny Shelton does - same kind of attitude. Not seeing that at all with
Garrett. Allen's speed/quickness is amazing for his size.
I honestly couldn't be mad with either guy. They are saying Garrett, if in a draft with Bosa and Clowney, would be picked ahead of both players. That is the type of ability and ceiling GMs are seeing. But Allen is also a freak player, and also #1 player in the draft for PFF, a site based around analytics.
Connecting some dots here, I think Browns will go with Allen.
- Jim Donovan reported on CBD that Sashi Brown and Co. scouted at Alabama game and they were blown away by Allen.
- Rams with Williams drafted a DT in Aaron Donald in 2014, the same year and shortly after they hired Williams.
- Browns have Nassib and Ogbah who can play as 4-3 DE, making Garrett less necessary.
- Good possibility the Browns will get extended time with Allen coaching the south in senior bowl. Meaning they will get to know him better than Garrett.
My guess is they lured Williams with the prospect of having the #1 pick go to defense and Williams will lure Waufle with the prospect of getting to coach Allen.
I guess you can promise him that you plan to go defense, but I don't think you lure anyone to coach for you by saying we are going to pick player X at this point in the offseason, unless that player X is a Andrew Luck caliber QB. Also outside of Ogbah, who knows if any of our other pass rushers are good. Yes 4-3 DE was the natural position in college for Nassib and Orchard, but who knows if they will even be able to play starting roles.
been hearing this from a lot of people in here. that's all and good if the pick isn't a bust. then it'll be biz as usual around here.
don't get me wrong. i think the hire is a move in the right direction BUT if everyone thinks that one hire is going to fix what we saw this past season they're nuts.
Exactly. Bitch about Horton all you guys want, but he had nothing to work with as a defensive coordinator.
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As usual, I waited to post until I saw this hiring on the Browns' site.
Tough, aggressive, and proven track record with a 4-3. I love it. I think this will be an exciting off season & this certainly is a fine start.
Mike
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Tony Grossi tweeted. . .
Told Gregg Williams will be bringing assts. Brandon Fisher, Dennard Wilson & Blake Williams to #Browns. Possibly more.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Anyone has to be better then Horton.
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Williams works for me...
I don't necessarily see the increased preference for Allen over Garrett in the 4-3 look others do, however. Allen just has the look of a traditional 3-4 DE to me while Garrett with his hand primarily in the dirt as a 4-3 edge guy removes my concerns there. This is the role OAK emphasized for Khalil this season. In his three seasons he's gone from primarily a stand-up OLB to a DE/OLB split to primarily a DE.
For those when a better attuned eye for DL schemes than I have.... I assume Shelton primarily takes an A gap putting Allen over the opposite OG? If so, then I can see Allen as a modern-day Michael Dean Perry aside Danny's James Jones or Bill Johnson.
I will say that Allen's persona would seem to be better aligned with Williams' than Myles the Mild's would be...
Also occurs to me that practicing against Williams' "style" could inject added "nasty" into our OL...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Tony Grossi tweeted. . .
Told Gregg Williams will be bringing assts. Brandon Fisher, Dennard Wilson & Blake Williams to #Browns. Possibly more.
Tony Grossi tweeted. . .
Told Gregg Williams will be bringing assts. Brandon Fisher, Dennard Wilson & Blake Williams to #Browns. Possibly more.
Fischer - Secondary
Wilson - Secondary
Blake Williams - not currently listed with Rams staff, but appears to be Gregg's son, and...
HAMMOND, La. – Former St. Louis Rams defensive coordinator Blake Williams has accepted the same position for two-time Southland Conference champion Southeastern Louisiana, Lion head coach Ron Roberts announced on Tuesday.
Williams' hire is pending the approval of the University of Louisiana System Board of Supervisors. Williams replaces Karl Scott, now the safeties coach at Louisiana Tech.
"Blake is going to be a tremendous addition to our staff," Roberts commented. "He brings with him a wealth of experience as a coach at the professional level, as well as playing experience from his time at Princeton. Blake shares the same philosophy that we do, so we expect to be very similar on defense in 2015. But, Blake is going to bring a fresh perspective that is going to be a plus for our program."
Williams was brought in as the linebacker coach with the 2012 Rams, before taking over as defensive coordinator for his father, Gregg. Under Williams' tutelage, St. Louis ranked No. 15 in the NFL against both the run and the pass, while also ranking in the top half of the league with 21.8 points per game allowed.
http://www.lionsports.net/news/2015/2/24/FB_0224155208.aspx
lol... another Ivy-leaguer joining the fold...
So he seems to have been "in" while Dad served his indefinite suspension. Maybe the Rams had nepotism issues/rules. However...
PFR seems at odds with the article listing no DC for the 2012 season and Tim Walton as the 2013 before Gregg arrived in 2014.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I'm going to call it right now that next year we have a top 10 defense in points allowed.
I'm going to call it right now that next year we have a top 10 defense in points allowed.
Omg dude stop. It would be his 1st year c'mon. Theres gonna be "alot" of guys leaving cause they dontbfit the 4-3
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Tony Grossi tweeted. . .
Told Gregg Williams will be bringing assts. Brandon Fisher, Dennard Wilson & Blake Williams to #Browns. Possibly more.
Fischer - Secondary
Wilson - Secondary
Blake Williams - not currently listed with Rams staff, but appears to be Gregg's son, and...
HAMMOND, La. – Former St. Louis Rams defensive coordinator Blake Williams has accepted the same position for two-time Southland Conference champion Southeastern Louisiana, Lion head coach Ron Roberts announced on Tuesday.
Williams' hire is pending the approval of the University of Louisiana System Board of Supervisors. Williams replaces Karl Scott, now the safeties coach at Louisiana Tech.
"Blake is going to be a tremendous addition to our staff," Roberts commented. "He brings with him a wealth of experience as a coach at the professional level, as well as playing experience from his time at Princeton. Blake shares the same philosophy that we do, so we expect to be very similar on defense in 2015. But, Blake is going to bring a fresh perspective that is going to be a plus for our program."
Williams was brought in as the linebacker coach with the 2012 Rams, before taking over as defensive coordinator for his father, Gregg. Under Williams' tutelage, St. Louis ranked No. 15 in the NFL against both the run and the pass, while also ranking in the top half of the league with 21.8 points per game allowed.
http://www.lionsports.net/news/2015/2/24/FB_0224155208.aspx
lol... another Ivy-leaguer joining the fold...
So he seems to have been "in" while Dad served his indefinite suspension. Maybe the Rams had nepotism issues/rules. However...
PFR seems at odds with the article listing no DC for the 2012 season and Tim Walton as the 2013 before Gregg arrived in 2014.
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I like it, one of the better choices.
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I'm going to call it right now that next year we have a top 10 defense in points allowed.
Omg dude stop. It would be his 1st year c'mon. Theres gonna be "alot" of guys leaving cause they dontbfit the 4-3
there should be a lot of guys leaving anyway. They can't playOmg dude stop. It would be his 1st year c'mon. Theres gonna be "alot" of guys leaving cause they dontbfit the 4-3
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We may not have a whole lot of players that he likes or can work with. I mean these guys dont like to wrap up we've been screaming about this for awile now. The def production may not be substantially better next year, he may offload "alot" of guys after next season.
Can u guys handle that ir is it gonna be fire thst williams hack by game 3 or 4?
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there should be a lot of guys leaving anyway. They can't playOmg dude stop. It would be his 1st year c'mon. Theres gonna be "alot" of guys leaving cause they dontbfit the 4-3
there should be a lot of guys leaving anyway. They can't play
Some truth to that
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Which players are you talking about?
"You see the Rams are still thinking that they are playing Tony Dorsett" -Jim Brown 1978 -
Williams works for me...
I don't necessarily see the increased preference for Allen over Garrett in the 4-3 look others do, however. Allen just has the look of a traditional 3-4 DE to me while Garrett with his hand primarily in the dirt as a 4-3 edge guy removes my concerns there. This is the role OAK emphasized for Khalil this season. In his three seasons he's gone from primarily a stand-up OLB to a DE/OLB split to primarily a DE.
For those when a better attuned eye for DL schemes than I have.... I assume Shelton primarily takes an A gap putting Allen over the opposite OG? If so, then I can see Allen as a modern-day Michael Dean Perry aside Danny's James Jones or Bill Johnson.
I will say that Allen's persona would seem to be better aligned with Williams' than Myles the Mild's would be...
Also occurs to me that practicing against Williams' "style" could inject added "nasty" into our OL...
Williams works for me...
I don't necessarily see the increased preference for Allen over Garrett in the 4-3 look others do, however. Allen just has the look of a traditional 3-4 DE to me while Garrett with his hand primarily in the dirt as a 4-3 edge guy removes my concerns there. This is the role OAK emphasized for Khalil this season. In his three seasons he's gone from primarily a stand-up OLB to a DE/OLB split to primarily a DE.
For those when a better attuned eye for DL schemes than I have.... I assume Shelton primarily takes an A gap putting Allen over the opposite OG? If so, then I can see Allen as a modern-day Michael Dean Perry aside Danny's James Jones or Bill Johnson.
I will say that Allen's persona would seem to be better aligned with Williams' than Myles the Mild's would be...
Also occurs to me that practicing against Williams' "style" could inject added "nasty" into our OL...
Why would you not want allen on the tackles outside shoulder? We have a really good interior rotation webdont need allen at DT. Now in some nascar packages sure, we would have og and nas outside and bryant/allen inside. Love that.
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Williams works for me...
I don't necessarily see the increased preference for Allen over Garrett in the 4-3 look others do, however. Allen just has the look of a traditional 3-4 DE to me while Garrett with his hand primarily in the dirt as a 4-3 edge guy removes my concerns there. This is the role OAK emphasized for Khalil this season. In his three seasons he's gone from primarily a stand-up OLB to a DE/OLB split to primarily a DE.
For those when a better attuned eye for DL schemes than I have.... I assume Shelton primarily takes an A gap putting Allen over the opposite OG? If so, then I can see Allen as a modern-day Michael Dean Perry aside Danny's James Jones or Bill Johnson.
I will say that Allen's persona would seem to be better aligned with Williams' than Myles the Mild's would be...
Also occurs to me that practicing against Williams' "style" could inject added "nasty" into our OL...
Williams works for me...
I don't necessarily see the increased preference for Allen over Garrett in the 4-3 look others do, however. Allen just has the look of a traditional 3-4 DE to me while Garrett with his hand primarily in the dirt as a 4-3 edge guy removes my concerns there. This is the role OAK emphasized for Khalil this season. In his three seasons he's gone from primarily a stand-up OLB to a DE/OLB split to primarily a DE.
For those when a better attuned eye for DL schemes than I have.... I assume Shelton primarily takes an A gap putting Allen over the opposite OG? If so, then I can see Allen as a modern-day Michael Dean Perry aside Danny's James Jones or Bill Johnson.
I will say that Allen's persona would seem to be better aligned with Williams' than Myles the Mild's would be...
Also occurs to me that practicing against Williams' "style" could inject added "nasty" into our OL...
Depends on what you're trying to exploit. If you see the center has issues anchoring or with protection calls, you can run a double A gap look. You can go with Danny at the traditional 1 still holding the double team and that would leave Allen at the 3-5 spot doing what he does best.
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We may not have a whole lot of players that he likes or can work with. I mean these guys dont like to wrap up we've been screaming about this for awile now. The def production may not be substantially better next year, he may offload "alot" of guys after next season.
Can u guys handle that ir is it gonna be fire thst williams hack by game 3 or 4?
From all the quotes I keep reading about Williams. He seems to scheme toward his players strengths. He's not a guy who says "run it my way".We may not have a whole lot of players that he likes or can work with. I mean these guys dont like to wrap up we've been screaming about this for awile now. The def production may not be substantially better next year, he may offload "alot" of guys after next season.
Can u guys handle that ir is it gonna be fire thst williams hack by game 3 or 4?
The only problem with that is, you are correct, we don't have much talent for Williams to start with.
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Which players are you talking about?
Which players are you talking about?
There are more guys on that defense that should go away then we should keep
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