Greg Williams Hired
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I think the Browns are a lock to get Allen at one. It makes no sense to me that they would pick someone else.
He's a one man wrecking crew, and with a four three, they have to fix their rotation and starting unit.
The 12 pick is the tough one. But if Foster was there, I'd have to pick him.
But then I also want Hooker at fs. But then I wonder about moving Joe Haden to fs, more likely nickle back...?
and drafting the best cb available at 33.
This draft is really going to be GRRRRRRREAT !
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Your absolutely right Horton was completely on Hue. This DC is a pure FO decision. Williams has more HC experience than Hue. And if the team should falter he will replace hue at the bye... That's why we only looked at DC's with HC expe.. Williams is not Hue's "Type" of coach anyway.
It certainly sounds as if hue wanted horton gone. Its been in the back of my mind that the nas and og drafts were maybe more hues idea cause he was trying to push horton to run more 4-3 looks. Now we get a full time 4-3 guy that will stock 4-3 edge guys and lb'ets.
Ghoolie... fetchin' coffee since 1999.
Asst's are teachers first and foremost with motivation part of the teaching. Coord's teach as well, but they are primarily schemers. HC's? Masterminds, administrators... can do some of the scheming and teaching But the danger is the more they dive into the minutia, the more they will tend to lose focus on the big picture.
It certainly sounds as if hue wanted horton gone. Its been in the back of my mind that the nas and og drafts were maybe more hues idea cause he was trying to push horton to run more 4-3 looks.
... and aggression... which kills your "nas and og" theory.
Can u guys handle that ir is it gonna be fire thst williams hack by game 3 or 4?
Not sure, but I think my answer is... Yes?
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I think the Browns are a lock to get Allen at one. It makes no sense to me that they would pick someone else.
He's a one man wrecking crew, and with a four three, they have to fix their rotation and starting unit.
The 12 pick is the tough one. But if Foster was there, I'd have to pick him.
But then I also want Hooker at fs. But then I wonder about moving Joe Haden to fs, more likely nickle back...?
and drafting the best cb available at 33.
This draft is really going to be GRRRRRRREAT !
Joe Haden is to small to play safety. I wouldn't want him playing nickel either. He already gets burned on every crossing pattern. That's who the nickel corner covers most timesI think the Browns are a lock to get Allen at one. It makes no sense to me that they would pick someone else.
He's a one man wrecking crew, and with a four three, they have to fix their rotation and starting unit.
The 12 pick is the tough one. But if Foster was there, I'd have to pick him.
But then I also want Hooker at fs. But then I wonder about moving Joe Haden to fs, more likely nickle back...?
and drafting the best cb available at 33.
This draft is really going to be GRRRRRRREAT !
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Williams works for me...
I don't necessarily see the increased preference for Allen over Garrett in the 4-3 look others do, however. Allen just has the look of a traditional 3-4 DE to me while Garrett with his hand primarily in the dirt as a 4-3 edge guy removes my concerns there. This is the role OAK emphasized for Khalil this season. In his three seasons he's gone from primarily a stand-up OLB to a DE/OLB split to primarily a DE.
For those when a better attuned eye for DL schemes than I have.... I assume Shelton primarily takes an A gap putting Allen over the opposite OG? If so, then I can see Allen as a modern-day Michael Dean Perry aside Danny's James Jones or Bill Johnson.
I will say that Allen's persona would seem to be better aligned with Williams' than Myles the Mild's would be...
Also occurs to me that practicing against Williams' "style" could inject added "nasty" into our OL...
Depends on what you're trying to exploit. If you see the center has issues anchoring or with protection calls, you can run a double A gap look. You can go with Danny at the traditional 1 still holding the double team and that would leave Allen at the 3-5 spot doing what he does best.
It does get interesting with Williams coming.
Depends on what you're trying to exploit. If you see the center has issues anchoring or with protection calls, you can run a double A gap look. You can go with Danny at the traditional 1 still holding the double team and that would leave Allen at the 3-5 spot doing what he does best.
So no default to the opposite OG... situational and match-up driven. Thanks... Guess I just feel Danny needs to be inside an OG's shoulder at his widest.
I dunno... just starting to hit me that we're on the verge of assembling a very strong 3-4 base and we're moving away from it... again.
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I'm seeing the first round as being Allen and Foster. Then cb/s/og/c in the second and third rounds.
oh, waiting til the draft is going to be another aggravating long three months
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I'm seeing the first round as being Allen and Foster. Then cb/s/og/c in the second and third rounds.
oh, waiting til the draft is going to be another aggravating long three months
It wouldn't be that aggravating if you don't read this board.I'm seeing the first round as being Allen and Foster. Then cb/s/og/c in the second and third rounds.
oh, waiting til the draft is going to be another aggravating long three months
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It wouldn't be that aggravating if you don't read this board.
Lol...that's what I say. Endless draft talk, starts in September every year when the Browns are 1-3.
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It does get interesting with Williams coming.
Depends on what you're trying to exploit. If you see the center has issues anchoring or with protection calls, you can run a double A gap look. You can go with Danny at the traditional 1 still holding the double team and that would leave Allen at the 3-5 spot doing what he does best.
So no default to the opposite OG... situational and match-up driven. Thanks... Guess I just feel Danny needs to be inside an OG's shoulder at his widest.
I dunno... just starting to hit me that we're on the verge of assembling a very strong 3-4 base and we're moving away from it... again.
I agree it's frustrating as hell, but personnel wise I believe we're tooled better for a 4-3 defense.I dunno... just starting to hit me that we're on the verge of assembling a very strong 3-4 base and we're moving away from it... again.
That would probably leave Davis as the odd LB out of the starting lineup.
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Yeah... Davis doesn't seem versatile enough, but also not sure Kirksey is impactful enough... and Danny was born to be a NT. And now I have Davis-like questions about Foster...
Oh well... still months to agonize.
Anyway... Hue seems to have pulled the curtain back some today of the change...
Browns coach Hue Jackson said Sunday he expects new defensive coordinator Gregg Williams to bring an "aggressive and attacking" defense to Cleveland next season.
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Zach Cunningham from Vandy might be someone to eyeball if Foster is more akin to a Davis.
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Browns lay to rest their ineffective 3-4 defense with hiring of Gregg Williams
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then why the fuck did hue hire horton to begin with?
stumped.
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Garret - Meder - Shelton - Ogbah
Kirksey - Davis - Collins
Nassib and Orchard as Super Subs that you can rush from anywhere.
Now get this guy some safeties.
Z
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It does get interesting with Williams coming.
Depends on what you're trying to exploit. If you see the center has issues anchoring or with protection calls, you can run a double A gap look. You can go with Danny at the traditional 1 still holding the double team and that would leave Allen at the 3-5 spot doing what he does best.
So no default to the opposite OG... situational and match-up driven. Thanks... Guess I just feel Danny needs to be inside an OG's shoulder at his widest.
I dunno... just starting to hit me that we're on the verge of assembling a very strong 3-4 base and we're moving away from it... again.
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Also, chris long is gonna be a FA. Just saying
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Garret - Meder - Shelton - Ogbah
Kirksey - Davis - Collins
Nassib and Orchard as Super Subs that you can rush from anywhere.
Now get this guy some safeties.
Z
Zombo said:
Garret - Meder - Shelton - Ogbah
Kirksey - Davis - Collins
Nassib and Orchard as Super Subs that you can rush from anywhere.
Now get this guy some safeties.
Z
http://www.si.com/2017-nfl-draft-rankings-safeties
http://overthecap.com/free-agency/
Draft or FA for safeties....take your pick
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then why the fuck did hue hire horton to begin with? stumped.
Trying to find the other candidates Hue looked at, mik, but coming up empty except for Leslie Frazier, former bucs DC.
Seems like it was Ray all along if he did not get the Titans HC job for which he also interviewed.
Wait wut? The base of any 3-4 has to be the olb'ers
Bum would argue that with you... he favored block-eating trios up front that left his LBs free to roam... I'll bet you came name more Luv-ya-Blue era DL than you can LBs. I believe the HoF score from them is DL 2 LB 0...
That said were we to retain Collins and draft Foster I think our starting Collins-Kirksey-Foster-Orchard feels like a pretty good set.
On the other hand if we only need three? Collins - ??? - Kirksey ? What's your three?
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then why the fuck did hue hire horton to begin with? stumped.
Trying to find the other candidates Hue looked at, mik, but coming up empty except for Leslie Frazier, former bucs DC.
Seems like it was Ray all along if he did not get the Titans HC job for which he also interviewed.
Wait wut? The base of any 3-4 has to be the olb'ers
Bum would argue that with you... he favored block-eating trios up front that left his LBs free to roam... I'll bet you came name more Luv-ya-Blue era DL than you can LBs. I believe the HoF score from them is DL 2 LB 0...
That said were we to retain Collins and draft Foster I think our starting Collins-Kirksey-Foster-Orchard feels like a pretty good set.
On the other hand if we only need three? Collins - ??? - Kirksey ? What's your three?
Trying to find the other candidates Hue looked at, mik, but coming up empty except for Leslie Frazier, former bucs DC.
Seems like it was Ray all along if he did not get the Titans HC job for which he also interviewed.
Look up Vance Joseph who was with Hue in Cinncy,now DC at Miami. Vance was to far IN to committing to Case before Hue was announced as HC..Hue still tried. Joseph was Hue's 1st choice
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then why the fuck did hue hire horton to begin with? stumped.
Trying to find the other candidates Hue looked at, mik, but coming up empty except for Leslie Frazier, former bucs DC.
Seems like it was Ray all along if he did not get the Titans HC job for which he also interviewed.
Wait wut? The base of any 3-4 has to be the olb'ers
Bum would argue that with you... he favored block-eating trios up front that left his LBs free to roam... I'll bet you came name more Luv-ya-Blue era DL than you can LBs. I believe the HoF score from them is DL 2 LB 0...
That said were we to retain Collins and draft Foster I think our starting Collins-Kirksey-Foster-Orchard feels like a pretty good set.
On the other hand if we only need three? Collins - ??? - Kirksey ? What's your three?
That said were we to retain Collins and draft Foster I think our starting Collins-Kirksey-Foster-Orchard feels like a pretty good set.
On the other hand if we only need three? Collins - ??? - Kirksey ? What's your three?
Im not sold on Collins. Either that he wants to even be here or that he's really even that good. If Horton hadn't been fired and we stayed in the 3-4 i have zero issue saying I would not want to retain Collins as one of our OLB'ers. Just because he'd be better than the tripe we had this year at OLB'er doesn't mean shit. I'd rather draft and convert Garett than keep Collins as the starting OLB'er.
But now that we're switching to a blitz heavy 4-3, now maybe Collins makes more sense. He's "way" better at blitzing than he is coming up to the line. He's awful at the point which 3-4 OLB'ers cannot be. But as a 4-3 OLB'er he'd mostly be going up against TE's and FB's trying to hold the edge. I'm ok with that. But i saw a few tackles this year that slapped him around like a prison ho.
So right now my LB'er rotation would be Davis, Kirksey and Collins. With Collins being that 3rd roaming LB'er that you don't know if he's blitzing or not. If it were my defense Orchard is rotational depth at DE. I"d immediately tell him to put some solid mass on to get his weight up a bit, but not too much. He'd be one of those guys that against certain teams you use him as speed rush and firezoning DE. I still def want the mules like OG, Nas and hopefully Allen...to do the lions share of the heavy lifting during the season. But Orchard could be put in as a sub in certian games and maybe an outright starter in others to give one of the other guys a rest. As a 4-3 olb'er though....maybe in short yardage/goal line. That guy you can put in coverage in the short field near the goal line or bring up to the line to make a 5 man front depending on what the read is. Orch should give Wiliams some interesting ideas.
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