North Carolina QB Mitch Trubisky headed to NFL draft
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I'm gonna agree on this. BUT Hue is coaching the senior bowl. Phil Sewage is inviting Watson...And not the IBM Watson. Hue will cream his panties over and over falling in love with Watson and talk the FO into picking him number one. That's just what the Browns always seem to do.
Ha, Savage getting retribution on the Browns for firing him. If they invite Watson, they should invite Mitch too, as he's graduated.
Ha, Savage getting retribution on the Browns for firing him. If they invite Watson, they should invite Mitch too, as he's graduated.
I like Tru better if they take a QB. Getting Watson would be playing like a brown tho
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I'm gonna agree on this. BUT Hue is coaching the senior bowl. Phil Sewage is inviting Watson...And not the IBM Watson. Hue will cream his panties over and over falling in love with Watson and talk the FO into picking him number one. That's just what the Browns always seem to do.
Honestly I think that with the firing of Horton and the hiring of Williams, the decision has already been made to fix this defense first. It's too close to becoming a great one not to pour those resources into exactly that. People want to see a lot more wins and that strategy will produce them quicker than some project at QB who gets hammered out of play by mid-season. This year has proven that we don't keep QB's healthy. And we just started using those defensive "chips" with our mid-season deal with NE. To me that was the handwriting on the wall which was predictive of the coaching move and likely the coming draft as well.
Honestly I think that with the firing of Horton and the hiring of Williams, the decision has already been made to fix this defense first. It's too close to becoming a great one not to pour those resources into exactly that. People want to see a lot more wins and that strategy will produce them quicker than some project at QB who gets hammered out of play by mid-season. This year has proven that we don't keep QB's healthy. And we just started using those defensive "chips" with our mid-season deal with NE. To me that was the handwriting on the wall which was predictive of the coaching move and likely the coming draft as well.
I agree with Canton Mike's sig Don't know we'll see..... This shouldn't play into the direction the Browns take- but I have a feeling it will. The PR pull for taking the local kid is going to be intense. Can I be the street guy telling Haslam- "draft Mitch?" Got a feeling he won't be listening this time. Sure you miss out on Garrett or Allen if you take the qb @ #1, but you can do some serious defensive upgrading with the next three picks.
http://nflmocks.com/2017/01/09/cleveland-browns-mitch-trubisky-could-be-bernie-kosar-2-0/
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Just wondering, since quarterbacks are usually overvalued rightly or wrongly what would have happened if for the last 12 years we had only drafted the BPA regardless of position?
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Just wondering, since quarterbacks are usually overvalued rightly or wrongly what would have happened if for the last 12 years we had only drafted the BPA regardless of position?
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Well, of course, the hard part is trying to tell WHO is the BPA regardless of position. Each team makes their own evaluation of players talents.....and I am sure they keep that a closely guarded secret.
Let's face it, I seriously doubt that a GM would admit: "Well, we had Humbo Nooney rated as a better player.....but we took Tooney Lucas instead because we needed someone at that spot more".
(Steve....you like those references.?)
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Weren't you the one who was slobbin' on Paxton Lynch's knob in the months leading up to the draft last year? I heard he's really tearing it up in Denver this year, so it looks like the Browns missed out on another one of your sure-thing prospects.@ghoolie said:
That's how you judge a prospect. How he does in big games. Quinn for instance failed in every big game he played in. Trubisky is the cream of the crop and he is worth #1 #1. If the Browns pass on this kid they will live to regret it.
Weren't you the one who was slobbin' on Paxton Lynch's knob in the months leading up to the draft last year? I heard he's really tearing it up in Denver this year, so it looks like the Browns missed out on another one of your sure-thing prospects.
I wouldn't be closing the books on Paxton Lynch. He was a rookie and he did what rookies should basically do: sit and learn. He is just developing.
I am not saying he is certain to be great, I am only saying that it is far too early to judge him.
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Weren't you the one who was slobbin' on Paxton Lynch's knob in the months leading up to the draft last year? I heard he's really tearing it up in Denver this year, so it looks like the Browns missed out on another one of your sure-thing prospects.
I wouldn't be closing the books on Paxton Lynch. He was a rookie and he did what rookies should basically do: sit and learn. He is just developing.
I am not saying he is certain to be great, I am only saying that it is far too early to judge him.
I wouldn't be closing the books on Paxton Lynch. He was a rookie and he did what rookies should basically do: sit and learn. He is just developing.
I am not saying he is certain to be great, I am only saying that it is far too early to judge him.
Same thing I have been saying about Wentz all year. Everyone viewer and pundit has already proclaimed him the franchise QB, but it all really depends how he plays the next 2 seasons. I mean hell outside of like 5 games, he was didn't play well.
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The more time goes by, the more confident I feel in being one of Mitch's Bitches.
My first option would be if they could trade a second (not #33) and a future pick for Garrapolo... If that can't be done, just pull the trigger on Trubisky. Best receiver available with #12 regardless.
The meat and potato BS was taken last year. And we can still attack those positions in free agency. Time to go get some skill players in the draft.
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I like Tru better if they take a QB. Getting Watson would be playing like a brown tho
If they get Watson it will "drafting like a brown".
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I have been watching and paying attention to Trubisky and gotta say the possibility of drafting the guy is pretty freakin' exciting. Seeing him throw near perfect 40-60 yard bombs, quick release on shorter passes and pretty elusive ala Big Ben on the field. The only nig drawback and nervousness is lack of experience....
But screw it. Enough passing on QB's for the "next great player" that never pans out. Take a chance on the kid and draft him, go spend some of that $100 mil on Kevin Zeitler and another linemen, resign Pryor and go get Trubisky, a #1 WR, a Center and grab a good mid round RB and go for it. Call 50 run plays a game if need be to get the kid acclimated to the NFL but build a damn Offense for a change and get it running on all cylinders!
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I wouldn't be closing the books on Paxton Lynch. He was a rookie and he did what rookies should basically do: sit and learn. He is just developing.
I am not saying he is certain to be great, I am only saying that it is far too early to judge him.
Same thing I have been saying about Wentz all year. Everyone viewer and pundit has already proclaimed him the franchise QB, but it all really depends how he plays the next 2 seasons. I mean hell outside of like 5 games, he was didn't play well.
Same thing I have been saying about Wentz all year. Everyone viewer and pundit has already proclaimed him the franchise QB, but it all really depends how he plays the next 2 seasons. I mean hell outside of like 5 games, he was didn't play well.
Of course. Look no further than our own RG. Great rookie year....star of the future. Apparently not.
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Here's why I doubt they pick Trubisky(or any QB 1st).......
Because, I think most of us and the world can agree that Trubisky is not a premium top top candidate....IE....he is a bit of a reach at #1 and not as accomplished as most would like to see, for that high of a pick....
And...last year....the Browns assessment and analytics said dont reach for a QB with that high pick......and, arguably, this years crops isnt as highly regarded as last years crop......
So, if our FO's system did not allow for Wentz at #2 or any of the prospects left at #15, then why would that grading and pick system suddenly change this year, allowing us to reach for QB at #1?
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We have receivers.
We need good receivers...several of them.
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Here's why I doubt they pick Trubisky(or any QB 1st).......
Because, I think most of us and the world can agree that Trubisky is not a premium top top candidate....IE....he is a bit of a reach at #1 and not as accomplished as most would like to see, for that high of a pick....
And...last year....the Browns assessment and analytics said dont reach for a QB with that high pick......and, arguably, this years crops isnt as highly regarded as last years crop......
So, if our FO's system did not allow for Wentz at #2 or any of the prospects left at #15, then why would that grading and pick system suddenly change this year, allowing us to reach for QB at #1?
Right, last year the FO said screw it lets not reach for a QB, let's reach for for a WR instead!Here's why I doubt they pick Trubisky(or any QB 1st).......
Because, I think most of us and the world can agree that Trubisky is not a premium top top candidate....IE....he is a bit of a reach at #1 and not as accomplished as most would like to see, for that high of a pick....
And...last year....the Browns assessment and analytics said dont reach for a QB with that high pick......and, arguably, this years crops isnt as highly regarded as last years crop......
So, if our FO's system did not allow for Wentz at #2 or any of the prospects left at #15, then why would that grading and pick system suddenly change this year, allowing us to reach for QB at #1?
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Right, last year the FO said screw it lets not reach for a QB, let's reach for for a WR instead!Here's why I doubt they pick Trubisky(or any QB 1st).......
Because, I think most of us and the world can agree that Trubisky is not a premium top top candidate....IE....he is a bit of a reach at #1 and not as accomplished as most would like to see, for that high of a pick....
And...last year....the Browns assessment and analytics said dont reach for a QB with that high pick......and, arguably, this years crops isnt as highly regarded as last years crop......
So, if our FO's system did not allow for Wentz at #2 or any of the prospects left at #15, then why would that grading and pick system suddenly change this year, allowing us to reach for QB at #1?
Right, last year the FO said screw it lets not reach for a QB, let's reach for for a WR instead!
Ha!.....well, actually, they said....."we are not sure who we want at #2, so lets play it safe and get 5 ok guys, instead of 1 maybe great guy, who were are not sure of..".....
Sooooo.....no stars to be found in year 1 of the first 14 player bonanza......but #12, this year, could be the charm?....plus another 14 picks.....will they score this time?......
Lets guess.....how many stars will we get from these 28 picks?????............
My guess......1.....tops.....maybe 2.......and, no, just being a starter doesnt make you a star.....
Cant wait......
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Right, last year the FO said screw it lets not reach for a QB, let's reach for for a WR instead!
Ha!.....well, actually, they said....."we are not sure who we want at #2, so lets play it safe and get 5 ok guys, instead of 1 maybe great guy, who were are not sure of..".....
Sooooo.....no stars to be found in year 1 of the first 14 player bonanza......but #12, this year, could be the charm?....plus another 14 picks.....will they score this time?......
Lets guess.....how many stars will we get from these 28 picks?????............
My guess......1.....tops.....maybe 2.......and, no, just being a starter doesnt make you a star.....
Cant wait......
I'll admit, I don't know the first thing about applying analytics into the realm of pro sports...but is it simply throwing enough shit against the wall and see what sticks?Ha!.....well, actually, they said....."we are not sure who we want at #2, so lets play it safe and get 5 ok guys, instead of 1 maybe great guy, who were are not sure of..".....
Sooooo.....no stars to be found in year 1 of the first 14 player bonanza......but #12, this year, could be the charm?....plus another 14 picks.....will they score this time?......
Lets guess.....how many stars will we get from these 28 picks?????............
My guess......1.....tops.....maybe 2.......and, no, just being a starter doesnt make you a star.....
Cant wait......
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Here's why I doubt they pick Trubisky(or any QB 1st).......
Because, I think most of us and the world can agree that Trubisky is not a premium top top candidate....IE....he is a bit of a reach at #1 and not as accomplished as most would like to see, for that high of a pick....
And...last year....the Browns assessment and analytics said dont reach for a QB with that high pick......and, arguably, this years crops isnt as highly regarded as last years crop......
So, if our FO's system did not allow for Wentz at #2 or any of the prospects left at #15, then why would that grading and pick system suddenly change this year, allowing us to reach for QB at #1?
Here's why I doubt they pick Trubisky(or any QB 1st).......
Because, I think most of us and the world can agree that Trubisky is not a premium top top candidate....IE....he is a bit of a reach at #1 and not as accomplished as most would like to see, for that high of a pick....
And...last year....the Browns assessment and analytics said dont reach for a QB with that high pick......and, arguably, this years crops isnt as highly regarded as last years crop......
So, if our FO's system did not allow for Wentz at #2 or any of the prospects left at #15, then why would that grading and pick system suddenly change this year, allowing us to reach for QB at #1?
I say the only question mark is lack of a long college resume. He puts up those numbers over a three year career- he's a lock #1, no doubt about it.
Yeah Mud the analytics may say reach. But the analytics said Coleman was the #1 wr in the draft. After the first year- they may need to modify those analytics to get better results. I've said in another thread- the #1 is almost a luxury pick, just don't screw up #12. Hey- The Raiders totally blew it on Jamarcus Russell, and where are they now? I've changed my tune for one year- you don't stop swinging because you're afraid you're going to strike out. Go for the home run.
It's the conundrum the Browns are going to face- Mitch may wind up your 10th highest rated player, but he's the #1 talented qb. I hope we're not drafting #1 again next year. (Will Jimmy stick it out with Hue in that scenario? I doubt it.) Which means- odds are the team drafting #1 is going to need a qb. So we're back to the good old #22 slot hoping the second or third best qb hits for a change.
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Only because, as usual, you are not listening...
Right, I am reading, not listening.
I get it, you have YOUR sights set on some guy, just like I have my sights set on some guy. You think your guy is the next coming of Bruce Smith perhaps.....he may be the shit, but I think my guy is the equal shit...the next coming of Aaron Rodgers. And Its just that my guy does fit a more vital and needed role on this team.
And what I AM hearing is fear. Fear that if we take a QB, he may fail that he is the next Joey Harrington, not the next Aaron Rodgers.
Well, that fear goes both ways. My evaluation of your guy isn't any better than your evaluation of my guy. I fear that he is the next Aaron Curry or Aundray Bruce, and those fears are just as valid...and just as plausible as your fears.
But I say: take the risk on the more vital role/need.
I guess I missed "the big game" Mitch payed in.
Right, I am reading, not listening.
I get it, you have YOUR sights set on some guy, just like I have my sights set on some guy. You think your guy is the next coming of Bruce Smith perhaps.....he may be the shit, but I think my guy is the equal shit...the next coming of Aaron Rodgers. And Its just that my guy does fit a more vital and needed role on this team.
And what I AM hearing is fear. Fear that if we take a QB, he may fail that he is the next Joey Harrington, not the next Aaron Rodgers.
Well, that fear goes both ways. My evaluation of your guy isn't any better than your evaluation of my guy. I fear that he is the next Aaron Curry or Aundray Bruce, and those fears are just as valid...and just as plausible as your fears.
But I say: take the risk on the more vital role/need.
And you are not listening...
Fear has no role in my analysis, which by the way I have said all along is incomplete. I spent zero time on Mitch prior to his declaring for the draft.
I simply reject need as a ruling principle for drafting and the dependence on Mock's to set my draft order.
In other words, I reject the two pillars on which your pro-Mitch stance sits.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Here's why I doubt they pick Trubisky(or any QB 1st).......
Because, I think most of us and the world can agree that Trubisky is not a premium top top candidate....IE....he is a bit of a reach at #1 and not as accomplished as most would like to see, for that high of a pick....
And...last year....the Browns assessment and analytics said dont reach for a QB with that high pick......and, arguably, this years crops isnt as highly regarded as last years crop......
So, if our FO's system did not allow for Wentz at #2 or any of the prospects left at #15, then why would that grading and pick system suddenly change this year, allowing us to reach for QB at #1?
Here's why I doubt they pick Trubisky(or any QB 1st).......
Because, I think most of us and the world can agree that Trubisky is not a premium top top candidate....IE....he is a bit of a reach at #1 and not as accomplished as most would like to see, for that high of a pick....
I don't think either most of us or the world agree at all on that.
And...last year....the Browns assessment and analytics said dont reach for a QB with that high pick......and, arguably, this years crops isnt as highly regarded as last years crop......
That would likely be a losing argument. This year's group of QBs is better than last year's.
So, if our FO's system did not allow for Wentz at #2 or any of the prospects left at #15, then why would that grading and pick system suddenly change this year, allowing us to reach for QB at #1?
Because it would not be a reach? No more so than the pick of any other player on the board.
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I guess I missed "the big game" Mitch payed in.
Right, I am reading, not listening.
I get it, you have YOUR sights set on some guy, just like I have my sights set on some guy. You think your guy is the next coming of Bruce Smith perhaps.....he may be the shit, but I think my guy is the equal shit...the next coming of Aaron Rodgers. And Its just that my guy does fit a more vital and needed role on this team.
And what I AM hearing is fear. Fear that if we take a QB, he may fail that he is the next Joey Harrington, not the next Aaron Rodgers.
Well, that fear goes both ways. My evaluation of your guy isn't any better than your evaluation of my guy. I fear that he is the next Aaron Curry or Aundray Bruce, and those fears are just as valid...and just as plausible as your fears.
But I say: take the risk on the more vital role/need.
And you are not listening...
Fear has no role in my analysis, which by the way I have said all along is incomplete. I spent zero time on Mitch prior to his declaring for the draft.
I simply reject need as a ruling principle for drafting and the dependence on Mock's to set my draft order.
In other words, I reject the two pillars on which your pro-Mitch stance sits.
I guess I missed "the big game" Mitch payed in.
And you are not listening...
Fear has no role in my analysis, which by the way I have said all along is incomplete. I spent zero time on Mitch prior to his declaring for the draft.
I simply reject need as a ruling principle for drafting and the dependence on Mock's to set my draft order.
In other words, I reject the two pillars on which your pro-Mitch stance sits.
I am listening perfectly. You claim you reject need.....yet you rail on about how much we NEED and edge rusher...thus that brings you to conclude that we must draft an edge rusher.
I also do not "depend" on mocks.....I simply look at them out of curiosity and for fun, knowing that, in general, the vast combination of all mocks out there generally seem to come out fairly accurate.
I usually don't look at one.
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I do not reject need... I limit it's impact... it's influence. I've posted extensively, and repeatedly, on my view of need's proper role in the draft. Don't bother asking me to do so again here.
You cite mocks constantly. You have posted about your use of them as a basis for your Trubinsky position and are a primary source of your defense of that position..
Mocks do not agree except in clear cut cases of talent, e.g., Luck. Your statement that "in general, the vast combination of all mocks out there generally seem to come out fairly accurate," are just another collection of what I like to call "weasel words". They represent ground you retreat to when pressed.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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