North Carolina QB Mitch Trubisky headed to NFL draft
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Another thing of note, I read that Watson is likely to be invited to the Senior Bowl. They changed the rules to allow 4 year juniors who who have graduated and declare for the draft early to take part. Even though Watson is only a 3 year player, he has graduated.
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Weren't you the one who was slobbin' on Paxton Lynch's knob in the months leading up to the draft last year? I heard he's really tearing it up in Denver this year, so it looks like the Browns missed out on another one of your sure-thing prospects.@ghoolie said:
That's how you judge a prospect. How he does in big games. Quinn for instance failed in every big game he played in. Trubisky is the cream of the crop and he is worth #1 #1. If the Browns pass on this kid they will live to regret it.
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That's how you judge a prospect. How he does in big games. Quinn for instance failed in every big game he played in. Trubisky is the cream of the crop and he is worth #1 #1. If the Browns pass on this kid they will live to regret it.
I'm gonna agree on this. BUT Hue is coaching the senior bowl. Phil Sewage is inviting Watson...And not the IBM Watson. Hue will cream his panties over and over falling in love with Watson and talk the FO into picking him number one. That's just what the Browns always seem to do.
I'm gonna agree on this. BUT Hue is coaching the senior bowl. Phil Sewage is inviting Watson...And not the IBM Watson. Hue will cream his panties over and over falling in love with Watson and talk the FO into picking him number one. That's just what the Browns always seem to do.
Ha, Savage getting retribution on the Browns for firing him. If they invite Watson, they should invite Mitch too, as he's graduated.
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It's such a tough place to be in when you're the Browns. You're in position to draft a VERY highly rated edge rusher, a severe position of need, BUT...you're also in position to get whichever QB you prefer (THE position of need). Something tells me this will be an agonizing decision. It's further difficult because we didn't really make ANY progress in determining our QB last year. None.
It's such a tough place to be in when you're the Browns. You're in position to draft a VERY highly rated edge rusher, a severe position of need, BUT...you're also in position to get whichever QB you prefer (THE position of need). Something tells me this will be an agonizing decision. It's further difficult because we didn't really make ANY progress in determining our QB last year. None.
Well, maybe it's splitting hairs by me but I do think they learned about the QB situation.
Kessler is a keeper, a decent backup with room to grow. McCown has worth but can't stay healthy, so I'd keep him on as a QB coach. Part ways with RG3 and draft a youngin'.
Which youngin'? I honestly don't know, so many QB prospects fail in the NFL. The FO needs to determine which QB is worthy in this draft, and pick him at #1. An edge rusher isn't going to put the Browns into the elite class. Watt & Clowney (I know they haven't been healthy) have lead the Texans to fantastic 9-7 seasons.
Yes, our D was a sieve most of the season. Remember though, Desmond Bryant is returning, Haden should be healthy, and they will seek help at safety. We all wanted Horton gone, and Williams should be an upgrade.
I'm favoring drafting for a better offense. Get the best QB and let's roll.
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It's such a tough place to be in when you're the Browns. You're in position to draft a VERY highly rated edge rusher, a severe position of need, BUT...you're also in position to get whichever QB you prefer (THE position of need). Something tells me this will be an agonizing decision. It's further difficult because we didn't really make ANY progress in determining our QB last year. None.
Well, maybe it's splitting hairs by me but I do think they learned about the QB situation.
Kessler is a keeper, a decent backup with room to grow. McCown has worth but can't stay healthy, so I'd keep him on as a QB coach. Part ways with RG3 and draft a youngin'.
Which youngin'? I honestly don't know, so many QB prospects fail in the NFL. The FO needs to determine which QB is worthy in this draft, and pick him at #1. An edge rusher isn't going to put the Browns into the elite class. Watt & Clowney (I know they haven't been healthy) have lead the Texans to fantastic 9-7 seasons.
Yes, our D was a sieve most of the season. Remember though, Desmond Bryant is returning, Haden should be healthy, and they will seek help at safety. We all wanted Horton gone, and Williams should be an upgrade.
I'm favoring drafting for a better offense. Get the best QB and let's roll.
Well, maybe it's splitting hairs by me but I do think they learned about the QB situation.
Kessler is a keeper, a decent backup with room to grow. McCown has worth but can't stay healthy, so I'd keep him on as a QB coach. Part ways with RG3 and draft a youngin'.
Which youngin'? I honestly don't know, so many QB prospects fail in the NFL. The FO needs to determine which QB is worthy in this draft, and pick him at #1. An edge rusher isn't going to put the Browns into the elite class. Watt & Clowney (I know they haven't been healthy) have lead the Texans to fantastic 9-7 seasons.
Yes, our D was a sieve most of the season. Remember though, Desmond Bryant is returning, Haden should be healthy, and they will seek help at safety. We all wanted Horton gone, and Williams should be an upgrade.
I'm favoring drafting for a better offense. Get the best QB and let's roll.
I fear "Haden will be healthy" is no longer something that has a positive impact.
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I'm gonna agree on this. BUT Hue is coaching the senior bowl. Phil Sewage is inviting Watson...And not the IBM Watson. Hue will cream his panties over and over falling in love with Watson and talk the FO into picking him number one. That's just what the Browns always seem to do.
Ha, Savage getting retribution on the Browns for firing him. If they invite Watson, they should invite Mitch too, as he's graduated.
Ha, Savage getting retribution on the Browns for firing him. If they invite Watson, they should invite Mitch too, as he's graduated.
I like Tru better if they take a QB. Getting Watson would be playing like a brown tho
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I'm gonna agree on this. BUT Hue is coaching the senior bowl. Phil Sewage is inviting Watson...And not the IBM Watson. Hue will cream his panties over and over falling in love with Watson and talk the FO into picking him number one. That's just what the Browns always seem to do.
Honestly I think that with the firing of Horton and the hiring of Williams, the decision has already been made to fix this defense first. It's too close to becoming a great one not to pour those resources into exactly that. People want to see a lot more wins and that strategy will produce them quicker than some project at QB who gets hammered out of play by mid-season. This year has proven that we don't keep QB's healthy. And we just started using those defensive "chips" with our mid-season deal with NE. To me that was the handwriting on the wall which was predictive of the coaching move and likely the coming draft as well.
Honestly I think that with the firing of Horton and the hiring of Williams, the decision has already been made to fix this defense first. It's too close to becoming a great one not to pour those resources into exactly that. People want to see a lot more wins and that strategy will produce them quicker than some project at QB who gets hammered out of play by mid-season. This year has proven that we don't keep QB's healthy. And we just started using those defensive "chips" with our mid-season deal with NE. To me that was the handwriting on the wall which was predictive of the coaching move and likely the coming draft as well.
I agree with Canton Mike's sig Don't know we'll see..... This shouldn't play into the direction the Browns take- but I have a feeling it will. The PR pull for taking the local kid is going to be intense. Can I be the street guy telling Haslam- "draft Mitch?" Got a feeling he won't be listening this time. Sure you miss out on Garrett or Allen if you take the qb @ #1, but you can do some serious defensive upgrading with the next three picks.
http://nflmocks.com/2017/01/09/cleveland-browns-mitch-trubisky-could-be-bernie-kosar-2-0/
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Just wondering, since quarterbacks are usually overvalued rightly or wrongly what would have happened if for the last 12 years we had only drafted the BPA regardless of position?
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Just wondering, since quarterbacks are usually overvalued rightly or wrongly what would have happened if for the last 12 years we had only drafted the BPA regardless of position?
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Well, of course, the hard part is trying to tell WHO is the BPA regardless of position. Each team makes their own evaluation of players talents.....and I am sure they keep that a closely guarded secret.
Let's face it, I seriously doubt that a GM would admit: "Well, we had Humbo Nooney rated as a better player.....but we took Tooney Lucas instead because we needed someone at that spot more".
(Steve....you like those references.?)
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Weren't you the one who was slobbin' on Paxton Lynch's knob in the months leading up to the draft last year? I heard he's really tearing it up in Denver this year, so it looks like the Browns missed out on another one of your sure-thing prospects.@ghoolie said:
That's how you judge a prospect. How he does in big games. Quinn for instance failed in every big game he played in. Trubisky is the cream of the crop and he is worth #1 #1. If the Browns pass on this kid they will live to regret it.
Weren't you the one who was slobbin' on Paxton Lynch's knob in the months leading up to the draft last year? I heard he's really tearing it up in Denver this year, so it looks like the Browns missed out on another one of your sure-thing prospects.
I wouldn't be closing the books on Paxton Lynch. He was a rookie and he did what rookies should basically do: sit and learn. He is just developing.
I am not saying he is certain to be great, I am only saying that it is far too early to judge him.
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Weren't you the one who was slobbin' on Paxton Lynch's knob in the months leading up to the draft last year? I heard he's really tearing it up in Denver this year, so it looks like the Browns missed out on another one of your sure-thing prospects.
I wouldn't be closing the books on Paxton Lynch. He was a rookie and he did what rookies should basically do: sit and learn. He is just developing.
I am not saying he is certain to be great, I am only saying that it is far too early to judge him.
I wouldn't be closing the books on Paxton Lynch. He was a rookie and he did what rookies should basically do: sit and learn. He is just developing.
I am not saying he is certain to be great, I am only saying that it is far too early to judge him.
Same thing I have been saying about Wentz all year. Everyone viewer and pundit has already proclaimed him the franchise QB, but it all really depends how he plays the next 2 seasons. I mean hell outside of like 5 games, he was didn't play well.
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The more time goes by, the more confident I feel in being one of Mitch's Bitches.
My first option would be if they could trade a second (not #33) and a future pick for Garrapolo... If that can't be done, just pull the trigger on Trubisky. Best receiver available with #12 regardless.
The meat and potato BS was taken last year. And we can still attack those positions in free agency. Time to go get some skill players in the draft.
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I like Tru better if they take a QB. Getting Watson would be playing like a brown tho
If they get Watson it will "drafting like a brown".
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I have been watching and paying attention to Trubisky and gotta say the possibility of drafting the guy is pretty freakin' exciting. Seeing him throw near perfect 40-60 yard bombs, quick release on shorter passes and pretty elusive ala Big Ben on the field. The only nig drawback and nervousness is lack of experience....
But screw it. Enough passing on QB's for the "next great player" that never pans out. Take a chance on the kid and draft him, go spend some of that $100 mil on Kevin Zeitler and another linemen, resign Pryor and go get Trubisky, a #1 WR, a Center and grab a good mid round RB and go for it. Call 50 run plays a game if need be to get the kid acclimated to the NFL but build a damn Offense for a change and get it running on all cylinders!
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I wouldn't be closing the books on Paxton Lynch. He was a rookie and he did what rookies should basically do: sit and learn. He is just developing.
I am not saying he is certain to be great, I am only saying that it is far too early to judge him.
Same thing I have been saying about Wentz all year. Everyone viewer and pundit has already proclaimed him the franchise QB, but it all really depends how he plays the next 2 seasons. I mean hell outside of like 5 games, he was didn't play well.
Same thing I have been saying about Wentz all year. Everyone viewer and pundit has already proclaimed him the franchise QB, but it all really depends how he plays the next 2 seasons. I mean hell outside of like 5 games, he was didn't play well.
Of course. Look no further than our own RG. Great rookie year....star of the future. Apparently not.
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Here's why I doubt they pick Trubisky(or any QB 1st).......
Because, I think most of us and the world can agree that Trubisky is not a premium top top candidate....IE....he is a bit of a reach at #1 and not as accomplished as most would like to see, for that high of a pick....
And...last year....the Browns assessment and analytics said dont reach for a QB with that high pick......and, arguably, this years crops isnt as highly regarded as last years crop......
So, if our FO's system did not allow for Wentz at #2 or any of the prospects left at #15, then why would that grading and pick system suddenly change this year, allowing us to reach for QB at #1?
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We have receivers.
We need good receivers...several of them.
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Here's why I doubt they pick Trubisky(or any QB 1st).......
Because, I think most of us and the world can agree that Trubisky is not a premium top top candidate....IE....he is a bit of a reach at #1 and not as accomplished as most would like to see, for that high of a pick....
And...last year....the Browns assessment and analytics said dont reach for a QB with that high pick......and, arguably, this years crops isnt as highly regarded as last years crop......
So, if our FO's system did not allow for Wentz at #2 or any of the prospects left at #15, then why would that grading and pick system suddenly change this year, allowing us to reach for QB at #1?
Right, last year the FO said screw it lets not reach for a QB, let's reach for for a WR instead!Here's why I doubt they pick Trubisky(or any QB 1st).......
Because, I think most of us and the world can agree that Trubisky is not a premium top top candidate....IE....he is a bit of a reach at #1 and not as accomplished as most would like to see, for that high of a pick....
And...last year....the Browns assessment and analytics said dont reach for a QB with that high pick......and, arguably, this years crops isnt as highly regarded as last years crop......
So, if our FO's system did not allow for Wentz at #2 or any of the prospects left at #15, then why would that grading and pick system suddenly change this year, allowing us to reach for QB at #1?
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Right, last year the FO said screw it lets not reach for a QB, let's reach for for a WR instead!Here's why I doubt they pick Trubisky(or any QB 1st).......
Because, I think most of us and the world can agree that Trubisky is not a premium top top candidate....IE....he is a bit of a reach at #1 and not as accomplished as most would like to see, for that high of a pick....
And...last year....the Browns assessment and analytics said dont reach for a QB with that high pick......and, arguably, this years crops isnt as highly regarded as last years crop......
So, if our FO's system did not allow for Wentz at #2 or any of the prospects left at #15, then why would that grading and pick system suddenly change this year, allowing us to reach for QB at #1?
Right, last year the FO said screw it lets not reach for a QB, let's reach for for a WR instead!
Ha!.....well, actually, they said....."we are not sure who we want at #2, so lets play it safe and get 5 ok guys, instead of 1 maybe great guy, who were are not sure of..".....
Sooooo.....no stars to be found in year 1 of the first 14 player bonanza......but #12, this year, could be the charm?....plus another 14 picks.....will they score this time?......
Lets guess.....how many stars will we get from these 28 picks?????............
My guess......1.....tops.....maybe 2.......and, no, just being a starter doesnt make you a star.....
Cant wait......
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Right, last year the FO said screw it lets not reach for a QB, let's reach for for a WR instead!
Ha!.....well, actually, they said....."we are not sure who we want at #2, so lets play it safe and get 5 ok guys, instead of 1 maybe great guy, who were are not sure of..".....
Sooooo.....no stars to be found in year 1 of the first 14 player bonanza......but #12, this year, could be the charm?....plus another 14 picks.....will they score this time?......
Lets guess.....how many stars will we get from these 28 picks?????............
My guess......1.....tops.....maybe 2.......and, no, just being a starter doesnt make you a star.....
Cant wait......
I'll admit, I don't know the first thing about applying analytics into the realm of pro sports...but is it simply throwing enough shit against the wall and see what sticks?Ha!.....well, actually, they said....."we are not sure who we want at #2, so lets play it safe and get 5 ok guys, instead of 1 maybe great guy, who were are not sure of..".....
Sooooo.....no stars to be found in year 1 of the first 14 player bonanza......but #12, this year, could be the charm?....plus another 14 picks.....will they score this time?......
Lets guess.....how many stars will we get from these 28 picks?????............
My guess......1.....tops.....maybe 2.......and, no, just being a starter doesnt make you a star.....
Cant wait......
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