With the 1st pick in the 2017 NFL Draft the Cleveland Browns select

Tour2ma

@wargograw said:
To be fair Tour, this is a friggin excellent defensive draft. Feels like every time you talk about a must-have defender you can point to guys right behind him that are very near as good.

Agree... very deep in very good defenders. But very good is not "elite".

Mudfly

Ive moved toward Allen as my #1, but would take Garrett too.....

Then, give me Reuben or a top safety....Adams or Hooker would be just fine.....

Or a premium CB would work too......

Just get some elite defensive talent....pllllllllllllllllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase!

TexasAg1969

@mudfly said:

Ive moved toward Allen as my #1, but would take Garrett too.....

Then, give me Reuben or a top safety....Adams or Hooker would be just fine.....

Or a premium CB would work too......

Just get some elite defensive talent....pllllllllllllllllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase!

Preach it Mud!

beare

garrett at 1

best qb left at 12

b baker at 33

MLD Woody

Take Allen over Garrett for our scheme, if you think Nassib or another end is legit.

Defensive BPA at 12

SD_Tom

Garrett #1, Hooker #12 would be great. Haven't seen MG much, but Hooker is awesome.

You don't get compared with Ed Reed by being crap

Harry Buffalo

@texasag1969 said:

Allen or Garrett, but only with the stipulation that I could also pick one of the edge rushers @ #12 if I took Allen. Then later we can trade up to #22 so Gip gets a QB and a pack of Trojans.

BTW if you think we fired all those guys and are bringing in all these new defensive coaches just to get another QB @ #1, I got news for you. They are coming to fix this defense and they will want most of this draft for their side of the ball.

Good thing our defensive coaches are not our FO and they don't call the shots.

RoyceRolls

The more I think about it, the more flexible I'm becoming with 1 overall. Garrett or Allen would be great given our obvious needs on the defensive side. That being said, if Trubisky or Kizer ends up being #1, I won't be upset. Quality starting QBs in the NFL are either pass or fail. If the Browns believe there is a prospect who can be the answer to the position, they have to pull the trigger.

Babernakle

No qbs this year there all bums. If there going to take offense needs to be lineman, but with the talent on defense this year they should take Allen from Alabama and hooker from Ohio state with the first round picks

jiggins7919

@mudfly said:

Ive moved toward Allen as my #1, but would take Garrett too.....

Then, give me Reuben or a top safety....Adams or Hooker would be just fine.....

Or a premium CB would work too......

Just get some elite defensive talent....pllllllllllllllllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase!

What's your take on how to fix the QB issue? I agree with the defensive strategy, especially early, but we're in deep shit when it comes to QB (STILL!).

The Gipper

@mld-woody said:

Take Allen over Garrett for our scheme, if you think Nassib or another end is legit.

Defensive BPA at 12

From what I hear, in the Gregg Williams 4-3 you are going to have Nassib and Ogbah both playing the DE spot. And from all indications both Allen and Garrett would also be DEs in that system (and if taken would have to replace Nassib/Ogbah)

So, who will be our LBs? Kirksey and Davis in the middle? We would have Collins if he resigns, but, again, from all reports, he is a far better MLB than OLB, no?

That would give us Cam Johnson and Joe Schobert at OLB. Not the greatest scenario....which would force Collins back outside

If they did get Garrett....would he pretty much have to be designated for an OLB slot, rather than DE? at 6'4" 270 he is DE size, not OLB size.

Or, could the Browns take someone who is more naturally an OLB a bit later : Tim Williams, Takkarist McKinley, TJ Watt?

And I say again, don't be surprised if the Browns shore up the DT slot with a high pick. Again, the 4-3 calls for 2 solid DTs. We have Shelton, and interimly Meder. A Caleb Brantley or Carlos Watkins could be on order for the Browns.

And where does Desmond Bryant fit in? He too is listed at DE.....but can he play inside?

The Gipper

Right now, the Browns Front 7 Depth Chart looks something like this if a prototypical 4-3 scheme were applied:

RDE Ogbah, X. Cooper, Dylan Wynn

DT Shelton, Lawrence-Stample

DT Meder, Gabe Wright

LDE Nassib, Des Bryant, Paea

ROLB Cam Johnson, Joe Schobert

MLB Kirksey, Davis, Tank Carder, Dominque Alexander, Jame Burris

LOLB Collins, Orchard

How would you "fix" this with the draft.

(One note: from what I see right here, we have what would be a talent variance with the proposed scheme: Kirksey/Davis/Collins all best in the middle.....but only 1 slot for the three of them. Keeping Collins outside helps....but is that his optimum spot?)

Babernakle

No qbs this year there all bums. If there going to take offense needs to be lineman, but with the talent on defense this year they should take Allen from Alabama and hooker from Ohio state with the first round picks

The Gipper

@babernakle said:
No qbs this year there all bums. If there going to take offense needs to be lineman, but with the talent on defense this year they should take Allen from Alabama and hooker from Ohio state with the first round picks

Do you have Alzheimer's. You posted the exact same thing an hour earlier.

Babernakle

As far s the qb goes Kessler will do the job as long and he stays upright. Does enough to win or go get jimmy or cardell McCarron

MLD Woody

Wouldn't Allen be a 4_3 DT?

tiamat63

@mld-woody said:
Wouldn't Allen be a 4_3 DT?

He would still man the same spots in hortons defense. Except under Williams he'd primarily play 3tech.

The Gipper

@tiamat63 said:
He would still man the same spots in hortons defense. Except under Williams he'd primarily play 3tech.

OK, so, a 3tech lines up on the outside shoulder of a guard...between the OG and OT. In the 4-3 both DTs would be 3tech, right? A 5 tech would line up on the outside of the tackle....making him a DE.

I assume then that a 1tech lines up in the gap between the OC and OG. That would be more nose tackle terrritory in a 3-4 no?

Would a 4-3 DT never really line up at that spot?

It seems that would leave a huge hole up the middle in normal circumstances. To be filled my the MLB?

The Gipper

The Gipper

Where would our current personell (and/or our future draft picks...Garrett/Allen etc. if we go that route), fit in the above alignment?

Assuming this is the base defense that Williams would run.