With the 1st pick in the 2017 NFL Draft the Cleveland Browns select
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Allen or Garrett, but only with the stipulation that I could also pick one of the edge rushers @ #12 if I took Allen. Then later we can trade up to #22 so Gip gets a QB and a pack of Trojans.
BTW if you think we fired all those guys and are bringing in all these new defensive coaches just to get another QB @ #1, I got news for you. They are coming to fix this defense and they will want most of this draft for their side of the ball.
Allen or Garrett, but only with the stipulation that I could also pick one of the edge rushers @ #12 if I took Allen. Then later we can trade up to #22 so Gip gets a QB and a pack of Trojans.
BTW if you think we fired all those guys and are bringing in all these new defensive coaches just to get another QB @ #1, I got news for you. They are coming to fix this defense and they will want most of this draft for their side of the ball.
Good thing our defensive coaches are not our FO and they don't call the shots.
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The more I think about it, the more flexible I'm becoming with 1 overall. Garrett or Allen would be great given our obvious needs on the defensive side. That being said, if Trubisky or Kizer ends up being #1, I won't be upset. Quality starting QBs in the NFL are either pass or fail. If the Browns believe there is a prospect who can be the answer to the position, they have to pull the trigger.
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No qbs this year there all bums. If there going to take offense needs to be lineman, but with the talent on defense this year they should take Allen from Alabama and hooker from Ohio state with the first round picks
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Ive moved toward Allen as my #1, but would take Garrett too.....
Then, give me Reuben or a top safety....Adams or Hooker would be just fine.....
Or a premium CB would work too......
Just get some elite defensive talent....pllllllllllllllllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase!
Ive moved toward Allen as my #1, but would take Garrett too.....
Then, give me Reuben or a top safety....Adams or Hooker would be just fine.....
Or a premium CB would work too......
Just get some elite defensive talent....pllllllllllllllllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase!
What's your take on how to fix the QB issue? I agree with the defensive strategy, especially early, but we're in deep shit when it comes to QB (STILL!).
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Take Allen over Garrett for our scheme, if you think Nassib or another end is legit.
Defensive BPA at 12
Take Allen over Garrett for our scheme, if you think Nassib or another end is legit.
Defensive BPA at 12
From what I hear, in the Gregg Williams 4-3 you are going to have Nassib and Ogbah both playing the DE spot. And from all indications both Allen and Garrett would also be DEs in that system (and if taken would have to replace Nassib/Ogbah)
So, who will be our LBs? Kirksey and Davis in the middle? We would have Collins if he resigns, but, again, from all reports, he is a far better MLB than OLB, no?
That would give us Cam Johnson and Joe Schobert at OLB. Not the greatest scenario....which would force Collins back outside
If they did get Garrett....would he pretty much have to be designated for an OLB slot, rather than DE? at 6'4" 270 he is DE size, not OLB size.
Or, could the Browns take someone who is more naturally an OLB a bit later : Tim Williams, Takkarist McKinley, TJ Watt?
And I say again, don't be surprised if the Browns shore up the DT slot with a high pick. Again, the 4-3 calls for 2 solid DTs. We have Shelton, and interimly Meder. A Caleb Brantley or Carlos Watkins could be on order for the Browns.
And where does Desmond Bryant fit in? He too is listed at DE.....but can he play inside?
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Right now, the Browns Front 7 Depth Chart looks something like this if a prototypical 4-3 scheme were applied:
RDE Ogbah, X. Cooper, Dylan Wynn
DT Shelton, Lawrence-Stample
DT Meder, Gabe Wright
LDE Nassib, Des Bryant, Paea
ROLB Cam Johnson, Joe Schobert
MLB Kirksey, Davis, Tank Carder, Dominque Alexander, Jame Burris
LOLB Collins, Orchard
How would you "fix" this with the draft.
(One note: from what I see right here, we have what would be a talent variance with the proposed scheme: Kirksey/Davis/Collins all best in the middle.....but only 1 slot for the three of them. Keeping Collins outside helps....but is that his optimum spot?)
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No qbs this year there all bums. If there going to take offense needs to be lineman, but with the talent on defense this year they should take Allen from Alabama and hooker from Ohio state with the first round picks
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No qbs this year there all bums. If there going to take offense needs to be lineman, but with the talent on defense this year they should take Allen from Alabama and hooker from Ohio state with the first round picks
No qbs this year there all bums. If there going to take offense needs to be lineman, but with the talent on defense this year they should take Allen from Alabama and hooker from Ohio state with the first round picks
Do you have Alzheimer's. You posted the exact same thing an hour earlier.
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As far s the qb goes Kessler will do the job as long and he stays upright. Does enough to win or go get jimmy or cardell McCarron
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Wouldn't Allen be a 4_3 DT?
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Wouldn't Allen be a 4_3 DT?
He would still man the same spots in hortons defense. Except under Williams he'd primarily play 3tech.
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Wouldn't Allen be a 4_3 DT?
He would still man the same spots in hortons defense. Except under Williams he'd primarily play 3tech.
He would still man the same spots in hortons defense. Except under Williams he'd primarily play 3tech.
OK, so, a 3tech lines up on the outside shoulder of a guard...between the OG and OT. In the 4-3 both DTs would be 3tech, right? A 5 tech would line up on the outside of the tackle....making him a DE.
I assume then that a 1tech lines up in the gap between the OC and OG. That would be more nose tackle terrritory in a 3-4 no?
Would a 4-3 DT never really line up at that spot?
It seems that would leave a huge hole up the middle in normal circumstances. To be filled my the MLB?
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Where would our current personell (and/or our future draft picks...Garrett/Allen etc. if we go that route), fit in the above alignment?
Assuming this is the base defense that Williams would run.
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Allen would be a DT and Shelton at NT I think.
Nassib SDE and Ogbah WDE? Would Garrett be a SDE?
The formation above is similar to what Michigan plays. Sometimes we can the WDE a Buck LB, but it's the same thing.
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Allen would be a DT and Shelton at NT I think.
Nassib SDE and Ogbah WDE? Would Garrett be a SDE?
The formation above is similar to what Michigan plays. Sometimes we can the WDE a Buck LB, but it's the same thing.
Allen would be a DT and Shelton at NT I think.
In the terminology in the photo would DT be the "under tackle"
Nassib SDE and Ogbah WDE? Would Garrett be a SDE?
I don't see these terms used.... I see Open End, and Closed End (meaning on the side of the TE)
Which is which?
The formation above is similar to what Michigan plays. Sometimes we can the WDE a Buck LB, but it's the same thing.
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Ive moved toward Allen as my #1, but would take Garrett too.....
Then, give me Reuben or a top safety....Adams or Hooker would be just fine.....
Or a premium CB would work too......
Just get some elite defensive talent....pllllllllllllllllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase!
Ive moved toward Allen as my #1, but would take Garrett too.....
Then, give me Reuben or a top safety....Adams or Hooker would be just fine..... Or a premium CB would work too......
Just get some elite defensive talent....pllllllllllllllllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase!
Couldn't give you only a half-point, so....
Welcome to Camp Allen!
Now about Foster...
What's your take on how to fix the QB issue? I agree with the defensive strategy, especially early, but we're in deep shit when it comes to QB (STILL!).
It would not hurt to keep games in range of an average QB effort.
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He would still man the same spots in hortons defense. Except under Williams he'd primarily play 3tech.
OK, so, a 3tech lines up on the outside shoulder of a guard...between the OG and OT. In the 4-3 both DTs would be 3tech, right? A 5 tech would line up on the outside of the tackle....making him a DE.
I assume then that a 1tech lines up in the gap between the OC and OG. That would be more nose tackle terrritory in a 3-4 no?
Would a 4-3 DT never really line up at that spot?
It seems that would leave a huge hole up the middle in normal circumstances. To be filled my the MLB?
OK, so, a 3tech lines up on the outside shoulder of a guard...between the OG and OT. In the 4-3 both DTs would be 3tech, right? A 5 tech would line up on the outside of the tackle....making him a DE.
I assume then that a 1tech lines up in the gap between the OC and OG. That would be more nose tackle terrritory in a 3-4 no?
Would a 4-3 DT never really line up at that spot?
It seems that would leave a huge hole up the middle in normal circumstances. To be filled my the MLB?
Old school term was nose guard. NT evolved from the massive 2 gap heads up monsters.
Alignment depends on call and responding to offensive structure. You can have a 5,3,1,5 a 5,1,1,5 a 9,3,3,5 etc etc. You can run an over playing heads up on the center, guard and tackle of you choose.
Point being alignments are too much to cover in just one post. Allen would play primarily a 3tech, be it strong or weak side. Has the option of floating at the 5 and if you want to get whacky with it, even further on the interior.
Just trying to pigeon hole things into saying 'X goes here, Y goes here' isn't accurate under modern day defensive schemes. With Coach Williams you'll get some interesting looks of front. I remember them playing a lot of 3 man against the Colts in the super bowl.
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