Browns to make pitch for Jimmy G // Trubisky #1 QB on their board
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Mitch2Pryor said:
So you're saying a QB with one year of college experience and 0 NFL experience is worth the #1 pick, but a guy who has shown he can perform extremely well in the NFL with limited opportunities, and has 3 years of experience isn't worth the #12, or even the #33 pick?
Yes. I did not stutter.
I don't see where JGs talent evaluation now is any different than when he was drafted in the middle of the second round. So, to me, a mid 2d round pick is what we should at most give up. (and maybe throw in a bone of a later round pick)
Scott Mitchell performed "extremely well" in his limited opportunities before he was given a starting job.
Unless you can guarantee me that he will have a Brett Favre like career, yes, I would rather take a risk on a draftee than on another team's reject.
If he was that good, we should have taken him the year he came out.
Sure, he is probably better than what we have now, but, he will also be in the last year of his contract.
Yes. I did not stutter.
I don't see where JGs talent evaluation now is any different than when he was drafted in the middle of the second round. So, to me, a mid 2d round pick is what we should at most give up. (and maybe throw in a bone of a later round pick)
502 yds, 4 TDs and 0 INTs in two games against the Cardinals and the Dolphins hardly sounds like 2nd round talent to me.
Scott Mitchell performed "extremely well" in his limited opportunities before he was given a starting job.
I'm 24, idk who Scott Mitchell is. I googled him and got a guy from The Biggest Loser. Looks like he was a 4th round pick... not 2nd.
Unless you can guarantee me that he will have a Brett Favre like career, yes, I would rather take a risk on a draftee than on another team's reject.
Are you guaranteeing Trubisky to be Favre? Because he better be if we take him instead of Garrett.
And any QB behind Brady is hardly a "reject". They are simply stuck behind a fucking Alien. My dad once told me Michael Jordan was an alien. I believe it, and so is Tom Brady. 30 of the starting QBs would be stuck behind Brady, and the Patriots would be looking to trade them. Shit, even Aaron Rodgers would be sitting on the bench behind Brady. I'd love Aaron Rodgers to be a reject behind Brady that we could trade for.
If he was that good, we should have taken him the year he came out.
I'll just leave this here. https://www.google.com/amp/www.patspulpit.com/platform/amp/2016/4/28/11525384/browns-coaching-staff-wanted-to-take-jimmy-garoppolo-instead-of-manziel?client=safari
Sure, he is probably better than what we have now, but, he will also be in the last year of his contract.
And that's a beautiful thing. He's not a rookie, so he has no excuse of needing years to develop. If he's gonna be good in this league, he will be good instantly. If not, we drop him at the end of the season.
If he shows flashes, but is still iffy (ala Kirk Cousins), we franchise him for one year and make him prove it. All the while we can use this draft to build the defense and o line.
Look, I think Mitch is the best QB in the draft, but the absolute best thing for this team is to trade for Garoppolo.
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502 yds, 4 TDs and 0 INTs in two games against the Cardinals and the Dolphins hardly sounds like 2nd round talent to me.
Scott Mitchell performed "extremely well" in his limited opportunities before he was given a starting job.
I'm 24, idk who Scott Mitchell is. I googled him and got a guy from The Biggest Loser. Looks like he was a 4th round pick... not 2nd.Scott Mitchell is a guy who in his first two game had like 502 yards, 4 TDs and 0 ints.......but then became "The Biggest Loser.
And any QB behind Brady is hardly a "reject".
Hoyer, Cassell, Mallet were eminently "rejectable.
And that's a beautiful thing. He's not a rookie, so he has no excuse of needing years to develop. If he's gonna be good in this league, he will be good instantly. If not, we drop him at the end of the season.
If he shows flashes, but is still iffy (ala Kirk Cousins), we franchise him for one year and make him prove it. All the while we can use this draft to build the defense and o line.
If you invest a first round pick in him, and you can't keep him or he turns out a bust....that is far worse in my opinion than drafting a QB.
I ain't giving up a first round pick for a one year rental.
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502 yds, 4 TDs and 0 INTs in two games against the Cardinals and the Dolphins hardly sounds like 2nd round talent to me.
Scott Mitchell performed "extremely well" in his limited opportunities before he was given a starting job.
I'm 24, idk who Scott Mitchell is. I googled him and got a guy from The Biggest Loser. Looks like he was a 4th round pick... not 2nd.Scott Mitchell is a guy who in his first two game had like 502 yards, 4 TDs and 0 ints.......but then became "The Biggest Loser.
And any QB behind Brady is hardly a "reject".
Hoyer, Cassell, Mallet were eminently "rejectable.
And that's a beautiful thing. He's not a rookie, so he has no excuse of needing years to develop. If he's gonna be good in this league, he will be good instantly. If not, we drop him at the end of the season.
If he shows flashes, but is still iffy (ala Kirk Cousins), we franchise him for one year and make him prove it. All the while we can use this draft to build the defense and o line.
If you invest a first round pick in him, and you can't keep him or he turns out a bust....that is far worse in my opinion than drafting a QB.
I ain't giving up a first round pick for a one year rental.
502 yds, 4 TDs and 0 INTs in two games against the Cardinals and the Dolphins hardly sounds like 2nd round talent to me.
Scott Mitchell performed "extremely well" in his limited opportunities before he was given a starting job.
I'm 24, idk who Scott Mitchell is. I googled him and got a guy from The Biggest Loser. Looks like he was a 4th round pick... not 2nd.
Scott Mitchell is a guy who in his first two game had like 502 yards, 4 TDs and 0 ints.......but then became "The Biggest Loser.
And any QB behind Brady is hardly a "reject".
Hoyer, Cassell, Mallet were eminently "rejectable.
And that's a beautiful thing. He's not a rookie, so he has no excuse of needing years to develop. If he's gonna be good in this league, he will be good instantly. If not, we drop him at the end of the season.
If he shows flashes, but is still iffy (ala Kirk Cousins), we franchise him for one year and make him prove it. All the while we can use this draft to build the defense and o line.
If you invest a first round pick in him, and you can't keep him or he turns out a bust....that is far worse in my opinion than drafting a QB.
I ain't giving up a first round pick for a one year rental.
Way to edit out parts of my arguement, only leaving what fits your narrative.
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502 yds, 4 TDs and 0 INTs in two games against the Cardinals and the Dolphins hardly sounds like 2nd round talent to me.
Scott Mitchell performed "extremely well" in his limited opportunities before he was given a starting job.
I'm 24, idk who Scott Mitchell is. I googled him and got a guy from The Biggest Loser. Looks like he was a 4th round pick... not 2nd.
Scott Mitchell is a guy who in his first two game had like 502 yards, 4 TDs and 0 ints.......but then became "The Biggest Loser.
And any QB behind Brady is hardly a "reject".
Hoyer, Cassell, Mallet were eminently "rejectable.
And that's a beautiful thing. He's not a rookie, so he has no excuse of needing years to develop. If he's gonna be good in this league, he will be good instantly. If not, we drop him at the end of the season.
If he shows flashes, but is still iffy (ala Kirk Cousins), we franchise him for one year and make him prove it. All the while we can use this draft to build the defense and o line.
If you invest a first round pick in him, and you can't keep him or he turns out a bust....that is far worse in my opinion than drafting a QB.
I ain't giving up a first round pick for a one year rental.
Way to edit out parts of my arguement, only leaving what fits your narrative.
Mitch2Pryor said:
Way to edit out parts of my arguement, only leaving what fits your narrative.
Welcome to the world of grownups.
I only quoted the pieces of what you said that I wished to respond to. Your post can stand on its own without me having to regurgitate the whole thing.
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Mitch2Pryor said:
Way to edit out parts of my arguement, only leaving what fits your narrative.
Welcome to the world of grownups.
I only quoted the pieces of what you said that I wished to respond to. Your post can stand on its own without me having to regurgitate the whole thing.
Oh ok, now it makes sense why as a kid I always knew grown ups were full of shit.Welcome to the world of grownups.
I only quoted the pieces of what you said that I wished to respond to. Your post can stand on its own without me having to regurgitate the whole thing.
I mean your post was almost as bad as MSNBC.
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The problem with your argument for JG is that it completely disregards the fact that every QB who has filled in for Brady has performed exceedingly well for the most part, which makes a true evaluation of JG awfully hard.
He's worth no later than a second round pick, however I wouldn't sacrifice a top 15 pick for a guy in the last year of his contract. It doesn't make any sense from a cap perspective. You're essentially sacrificing four years of rookie wages for a guy that, in all honesty, is still almost as much of an unknown.
Could he be great? Sure. But so could the rookie you draft at #12. I'm not going to trade away four years of cheap "could" for one year of cheap "could".
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The problem with your argument for JG is that it completely disregards the fact that every QB who has filled in for Brady has performed exceedingly well for the most part, which makes a true evaluation of JG awfully hard.
He's worth no later than a second round pick, however I wouldn't sacrifice a top 15 pick for a guy in the last year of his contract. It doesn't make any sense from a cap perspective. You're essentially sacrificing four years of rookie wages for a guy that, in all honesty, is still almost as much of an unknown.
Could he be great? Sure. But so could the rookie you draft at #12. I'm not going to trade away four years of cheap "could" for one year of cheap "could".
The problem with your argument for JG is that it completely disregards the fact that every QB who has filled in for Brady has performed exceedingly well for the most part, which makes a true evaluation of JG awfully hard.
He's worth no later than a second round pick, however I wouldn't sacrifice a top 15 pick for a guy in the last year of his contract. It doesn't make any sense from a cap perspective. You're essentially sacrificing four years of rookie wages for a guy that, in all honesty, is still almost as much of an unknown.
Could he be great? Sure. But so could the rookie you draft at #12. I'm not going to trade away four years of cheap "could" for one year of cheap "could".
The advantage would be instant gratification, and a quicker rebuild. With Haslam's trigger finger, that instant success is necessary. Any way you acquire a QB is a risk, and eventually you're going to have to pay him if he's franchise material.
I actually really like Mitch, hence my username. It's just the logic that an inexperienced rook would be worth the #1 pick, but a guy who has shown success (albeit short term) wouldn't even be worth #33.
If we want to be competitive next year, the smart thing to do would be sacrifice #33 and something next year for a QB, and capitalize on the deep defensive talent in this draft.
If we take Mitch, which I would be fine with, it's gonna be a few years before we are competitive, and is Haslam really going to wait that long?
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The problem with your argument for JG is that it completely disregards the fact that every QB who has filled in for Brady has performed exceedingly well for the most part, which makes a true evaluation of JG awfully hard.
He's worth no later than a second round pick, however I wouldn't sacrifice a top 15 pick for a guy in the last year of his contract. It doesn't make any sense from a cap perspective. You're essentially sacrificing four years of rookie wages for a guy that, in all honesty, is still almost as much of an unknown.
Could he be great? Sure. But so could the rookie you draft at #12. I'm not going to trade away four years of cheap "could" for one year of cheap "could".
The advantage would be instant gratification, and a quicker rebuild. With Haslam's trigger finger, that instant success is necessary. Any way you acquire a QB is a risk, and eventually you're going to have to pay him if he's franchise material.
I actually really like Mitch, hence my username. It's just the logic that an inexperienced rook would be worth the #1 pick, but a guy who has shown success (albeit short term) wouldn't even be worth #33.
If we want to be competitive next year, the smart thing to do would be sacrifice #33 and something next year for a QB, and capitalize on the deep defensive talent in this draft.
If we take Mitch, which I would be fine with, it's gonna be a few years before we are competitive, and is Haslam really going to wait that long?
Mitch2Pryor said:
The advantage would be instant gratification, and a quicker rebuild. With Haslam's trigger finger, that instant success is necessary. Any way you acquire a QB is a risk, and eventually you're going to have to pay him if he's franchise material.
I actually really like Mitch, hence my username. It's just the logic that an inexperienced rook would be worth the #1 pick, but a guy who has shown success (albeit short term) wouldn't even be worth #33.
If we want to be competitive next year, the smart thing to do would be sacrifice #33 and something next year for a QB, and capitalize on the deep defensive talent in this draft.
If we take Mitch, which I would be fine with, it's gonna be a few years before we are competitive, and is Haslam really going to wait that long?
I guess you are a young one
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The problem with your argument for JG is that it completely disregards the fact that every QB who has filled in for Brady has performed exceedingly well for the most part, which makes a true evaluation of JG awfully hard.
He's worth no later than a second round pick, however I wouldn't sacrifice a top 15 pick for a guy in the last year of his contract. It doesn't make any sense from a cap perspective. You're essentially sacrificing four years of rookie wages for a guy that, in all honesty, is still almost as much of an unknown.
Could he be great? Sure. But so could the rookie you draft at #12. I'm not going to trade away four years of cheap "could" for one year of cheap "could".
Oh, Jeezus. Watch the film.The problem with your argument for JG is that it completely disregards the fact that every QB who has filled in for Brady has performed exceedingly well for the most part, which makes a true evaluation of JG awfully hard.
He's worth no later than a second round pick, however I wouldn't sacrifice a top 15 pick for a guy in the last year of his contract. It doesn't make any sense from a cap perspective. You're essentially sacrificing four years of rookie wages for a guy that, in all honesty, is still almost as much of an unknown.
Could he be great? Sure. But so could the rookie you draft at #12. I'm not going to trade away four years of cheap "could" for one year of cheap "could".
He is better than our QBs.
He is 25 and can paid an incentive based contact.
What is wrong with you homos?
Z
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I agree with TCPO on this 1. He makes a great point and less not forget, New England is a entire team of All Pros so even if 1 of them would go down they still do win games even if the 1 that went down was #12. I am all for keeping Collins and Pryor and Kessler, We already have him, get him some stud Oline Vets from FA and a stud tall vet WR then stack our D with draft picks. Not that what any of us say makes a difference but...............
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I agree with TCPO on this 1. He makes a great point and less not forget, New England is a entire team of All Pros so even if 1 of them would go down they still do win games even if the 1 that went down was #12. I am all for keeping Collins and Pryor and Kessler, We already have him, get him some stud Oline Vets from FA and a stud tall vet WR then stack our D with draft picks. Not that what any of us say makes a difference but...............
Yes Jim G. is a system player but that's a good thing. Hoyer came from NE as well and Jim G is better than he is. Yes get him or the Polock fuck it.I agree with TCPO on this 1. He makes a great point and less not forget, New England is a entire team of All Pros so even if 1 of them would go down they still do win games even if the 1 that went down was #12. I am all for keeping Collins and Pryor and Kessler, We already have him, get him some stud Oline Vets from FA and a stud tall vet WR then stack our D with draft picks. Not that what any of us say makes a difference but...............
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Oh, Jeezus. Watch the film.The problem with your argument for JG is that it completely disregards the fact that every QB who has filled in for Brady has performed exceedingly well for the most part, which makes a true evaluation of JG awfully hard.
He's worth no later than a second round pick, however I wouldn't sacrifice a top 15 pick for a guy in the last year of his contract. It doesn't make any sense from a cap perspective. You're essentially sacrificing four years of rookie wages for a guy that, in all honesty, is still almost as much of an unknown.
Could he be great? Sure. But so could the rookie you draft at #12. I'm not going to trade away four years of cheap "could" for one year of cheap "could".
He is better than our QBs.
He is 25 and can paid an incentive based contact.
What is wrong with you homos?
Z
Zombo said:
Oh, Jeezus. Watch the film.
He is better than our QBs.
He is 25 and can paid an incentive based contact.
What is wrong with you homos?
Z
He doesn't have to accept an incentive based contract, and he won't.
No QB in his right mind would.
Us "homos" just don't get a boner for the next flavor of the week QB that threw a pretty pass and ESPN jams down our throats.
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Zombo said:
Oh, Jeezus. Watch the film.
He is better than our QBs.
He is 25 and can paid an incentive based contact.
What is wrong with you homos?
Z
He doesn't have to accept an incentive based contract, and he won't.
No QB in his right mind would.
Us "homos" just don't get a boner for the next flavor of the week QB that threw a pretty pass and ESPN jams down our throats.
He doesn't have to accept an incentive based contract, and he won't.
No QB in his right mind would.
Us "homos" just don't get a boner for the next flavor of the week QB that threw a pretty pass and ESPN jams down our throats.
"I didn't look at the video. I'm dumb and would like to draft the big name of the year ... Because I'm really, really dumb."
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Zombo said:
Oh, Jeezus. Watch the film.
He is better than our QBs.
He is 25 and can paid an incentive based contact.
What is wrong with you homos?
Z
He doesn't have to accept an incentive based contract, and he won't.
No QB in his right mind would.
Us "homos" just don't get a boner for the next flavor of the week QB that threw a pretty pass and ESPN jams down our throats.
He doesn't have to accept an incentive based contract, and he won't.
No QB in his right mind would.
Us "homos" just don't get a boner for the next flavor of the week QB that threw a pretty pass and ESPN jams down our throats.
Dude is gonna be a stud. but you'd probably rather have a project, another black tarkenton, or bortles, right?
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If we take Trubisky we give up the 1st pick in the draft for our QB, and we are out of the race for the top Def. players in the draft. We still have 12,33,65 to pick up Def. players to help this team.
Jimmy G. could be the right direction to go but people think a 1 and 4 is to much to spend on him. But remember this, there are what about 6 teams looking for there QB, Jimmy G. is not going to go cheep. I would try to set the deal in stone now before the draft, and teams start bidding on his services.
I would go hard after Jimmy, I would offer NE our 2nd. (65) this year, and our 2nd. next year. We still have 3 top picks for Def. and we walk out with our QB, the top Def. pick, and 12 and 33 to boot.
If Jimmy is a top 20 QB he is worth the 2 seconds, if Trubisky is a top 20 QB he is worth the 1st pick, If both bomb out I would rather loose 2 seconds than the first pick. Both are going to have risks but I do think that Jimmy is the lower risk.....
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How many of Brady's back ups have gone on to have careers as at least average starters? Every fucking one was touted as the next coming of Christ but they all never lived up to the bill.
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How many of Brady's back ups have gone on to have careers as at least average starters? Every fucking one was touted as the next coming of Christ but they all never lived up to the bill.
How many of Brady's back ups have gone on to have careers as at least average starters? Every fucking one was touted as the next coming of Christ but they all never lived up to the bill.
So let's not look at him because he plays for the Patriots.
While we have our head in the sand, let's stay clear of coaches who have been fired and defenders who played in the Big 12.
Zombo
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The problem with your argument for JG is that it completely disregards the fact that every QB who has filled in for Brady has performed exceedingly well for the most part, which makes a true evaluation of JG awfully hard.
He's worth no later than a second round pick, however I wouldn't sacrifice a top 15 pick for a guy in the last year of his contract. It doesn't make any sense from a cap perspective. You're essentially sacrificing four years of rookie wages for a guy that, in all honesty, is still almost as much of an unknown.
Could he be great? Sure. But so could the rookie you draft at #12. I'm not going to trade away four years of cheap "could" for one year of cheap "could".
Could he be great? Sure. But so could the rookie you draft at #12. I'm not going to trade away four years of cheap "could" for one year of cheap "could".
Don't forget the 5th year option...
Mitch2Pryor said:
The advantage would be instant gratification, and a quicker rebuild.
Neither of which this FO has shown any signs of being interested in. I'm with them.
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The problem with your argument for JG is that it completely disregards the fact that every QB who has filled in for Brady has performed exceedingly well for the most part, which makes a true evaluation of JG awfully hard.
He's worth no later than a second round pick, however I wouldn't sacrifice a top 15 pick for a guy in the last year of his contract. It doesn't make any sense from a cap perspective. You're essentially sacrificing four years of rookie wages for a guy that, in all honesty, is still almost as much of an unknown.
Could he be great? Sure. But so could the rookie you draft at #12. I'm not going to trade away four years of cheap "could" for one year of cheap "could".
The advantage would be instant gratification, and a quicker rebuild. With Haslam's trigger finger, that instant success is necessary. Any way you acquire a QB is a risk, and eventually you're going to have to pay him if he's franchise material.
I actually really like Mitch, hence my username. It's just the logic that an inexperienced rook would be worth the #1 pick, but a guy who has shown success (albeit short term) wouldn't even be worth #33.
If we want to be competitive next year, the smart thing to do would be sacrifice #33 and something next year for a QB, and capitalize on the deep defensive talent in this draft.
If we take Mitch, which I would be fine with, it's gonna be a few years before we are competitive, and is Haslam really going to wait that long?
Mitch2Pryor said:
The advantage would be instant gratification, and a quicker rebuild. With Haslam's trigger finger, that instant success is necessary. Any way you acquire a QB is a risk, and eventually you're going to have to pay him if he's franchise material.
I actually really like Mitch, hence my username. It's just the logic that an inexperienced rook would be worth the #1 pick, but a guy who has shown success (albeit short term) wouldn't even be worth #33.
If we want to be competitive next year, the smart thing to do would be sacrifice #33 and something next year for a QB, and capitalize on the deep defensive talent in this draft.
If we take Mitch, which I would be fine with, it's gonna be a few years before we are competitive, and is Haslam really going to wait that long?
Ha, what's to say even with Jimmy we'd be "competitive"? BTW, it's been argued elsewhere what if McDaniels gets the SF HC job? No one should know Garropolo better. If he doesn't make a play for him, no one else should either.
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How many of Brady's back ups have gone on to have careers as at least average starters? Every fucking one was touted as the next coming of Christ but they all never lived up to the bill.
So let's not look at him because he plays for the Patriots.
While we have our head in the sand, let's stay clear of coaches who have been fired and defenders who played in the Big 12.
Zombo
Zombo said:
So let's not look at him because he plays for the Patriots.
While we have our head in the sand, let's stay clear of coaches who have been fired and defenders who played in the Big 12.
Zombo
Thats not what I mean. What I am getting at is every fucking time one of Brady's back ups become available via trade of waivers, everyone loses their shit. A QB who learned under Brady!!! Wow he must be good. But stats point to the opposite. I mean the most successful Brady back up was Hoyer, and he was out of 6+ Qb's to be released or traded. Look at him, thats fine. But don't proclaim him a franchise QB just because of where he came from and what he did in the 2 games he played this season.
Ruining threads since 1897.
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