Chad Kelly Vrs Mitch Trubisky
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I wouldn't touch the kid with a 10 foot pole. Besides the drug concerns, and general character concerns, he was also involved in an on field fight at a relatives football game AFTER he was out this season with an injury. He ran off the sideline and tried to punch a high school player. We don't need that kind of shit in the locker room, even as a UDFA.
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Who waited until they were 18 or 19?
Great write up, Flugs... I may have actually acquired an appreciation for your style... at least when you and I agree...
Chad is still my top, 2017 Darkhorse candidate. I figure with his injury he's no higher than a mid-Day 2 pick, so the risk is not too great, and as you showed the upside is there.
The problem? His was a two-fer knee injury... ACL plus meniscus. Can't find a timetable on his progress, but odds are he's an IR stash his rookie season. He certainly won't be flashing at the Combine or any Pro-day.
I did find:
Surgery was a success, rehabilitation will soon follow and Chad Kelly is expected to make a full recovery after suffering a torn ACL in his right knee. What awaits the former St. Joseph’s Collegiate Institute star and Ole Miss quarterback, whose college career abruptly ended Nov. 5?
It could turn into a multimillion-dollar question for Kelly, who four weeks into the season was rated No. 9 among college quarterbacks by Pro Football Focus. Whatever his draft stock, it undoubtedly plummeted when he limped off the field after throwing for 249 yards and three touchdowns against Georgia Southern.
Kelly’s knee was in the gifted hands of Dr. James Andrews, the renowned orthopedic surgeon who performed the operation this week. Remember, the quarterback came back after tearing the ACL in his left knee while playing in Clemson’s spring game in 2013.
“Basically, he’s doing very well,” Kelly’s father, Kevin, said Tuesday when reached by telephone. “He’s extremely sore. The doctor gave him a good report. He was looking at his bones and his muscles and was very impressed with how strong they are. He was very pleased to see how healthy his legs are.”
http://buffalonews.com/2016/11/15/buck-stops-kelly-hoping-road-recovery-leads-nfl/
As for the photo... it was taken after the surgery was done. Strikes me as a combo of idle time and pain management with perhaps a small dose of discounsolation on top. The more disquieting others find it... the cheaper he gets.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
And you can bet Uncle Jim will do everything in his power to mentor Chad into the NFL.
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Bad NFL Draft crop of quarterbacks gets worse with Chad Kelly's torn ...www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/.../bad-nfl-draft-crop-of-quarterbacks-gets-...
Nov 7, 2016 - Kelly is the top-rated senior quarterback in the 2017 draft class. The Mississippi Rebels and QB-needy teams in the NFL alike were dealt a blow Sunday night with the announcement that senior signal-caller Chad Kelly had torn multiple knee ligaments in the team's 37-27 win Saturday over Georgia Southern.
www.nfl.com/.../chad-kelly-receives-seventhround-draft-projection-posti...
Nov 7, 2016 - That was prior to this injury." Kelly, the nephew of former Buffalo Bills star QB Jim Kelly, tore his ACL and lateral meniscus in a 37-27 win over Georgia Southern on Saturday. While that cost him a few more games for the Rebels, it's not as thoughNFL scouts won't have a foundation of game film to review of Kelly.
NFL Draft Prospect Ole Miss QB Chad Kelly Red Flags - The MMQB.commmqb.si.com/.../nfl-draft-2017-chad-kelly-ole-miss-quarterback-red-fla...
Oct 26, 2016 - Supremely talented, but erratic on the field. A checkered past off of it. The 2017 draft's top senior QB prospect has six months to convince NFL ... -
Sorry, Mr. FlugelsMeistsies...
but Kelly is/was a world class jerk. In 2014, I can't believe he acted like he did at all.
Tough to give a kid second chances after that fiasco. I suppose he may have "grown up", etc.
but when he gets to the NFL and makes millions of bucks, will he start being his "old self" again?
I, too, wouldn't draft him in any round. Don't need the locker room drama which is justifiably to
be suspected to be occurring eventually.
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Dude it's Mississippi. He was probably talking about spraying the place with some Glade mist or Febreze.
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Sorry, Mr. FlugelsMeistsies...
but Kelly is/was a world class jerk. In 2014, I can't believe he acted like he did at all.
Tough to give a kid second chances after that fiasco. I suppose he may have "grown up", etc.
but when he gets to the NFL and makes millions of bucks, will he start being his "old self" again?
I, too, wouldn't draft him in any round. Don't need the locker room drama which is justifiably to
be suspected to be occurring eventually.
Sorry, Mr. FlugelsMeistsies...
but Kelly is/was a world class jerk. In 2014, I can't believe he acted like he did at all.
Tough to give a kid second chances after that fiasco. I suppose he may have "grown up", etc.
but when he gets to the NFL and makes millions of bucks, will he start being his "old self" again?
I, too, wouldn't draft him in any round. Don't need the locker room drama which is justifiably to
be suspected to be occurring eventually.
Calsies, I wish I could say drafting "Nice" kids like Charlie Frye and Brady Quinn was the best way to prevent the pricks in Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Cincy from taking turns at repeatedly winning the division. Unfortunately, I've seen where our nice guys have continued to finish since 1999.
I'd hate to think we're going to spend the next 3-4 years defending our 1st overall pick with "yeah but he's a great kid."
Like I said in this thread, it doesn't necessarily have to be Chad Kelly as a later round alternative to using #1 overall on Trubisky. It can be another QB the popularity contest pushes back like it did to guys like Dak Prescott and Russell Wilson not so long ago. I just think Kelly's skill set along with the ACL injury plus all the old stories about what a terrible kid he used to be could work in our favor in a later round with minimal risk/hurt if we're wrong. If you have a QB you feel might fit this route better than Chad Kelly - I'd be open to hearing who it is and why you feel he's a better idea.
Keep in mind, as the draft comes closer - there's going to be more stories surfacing to scare teams away from drafting a kid like Kelly. I remembered reading the week of the draft that Adrian Peterson's shoulder/clavicle injury might require season ending surgery before his rookie year would even get off the ground. Some teams took the bait while Minnesota did their research instead of reacting to rumors and false stories that were getting printed. Some of this could very well apply here especially with writers like Jason LaCockroach out there.
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Dude it's Mississippi. He was probably talking about spraying the place with some Glade mist or Febreze.
WSS
Dude it's Mississippi. He was probably talking about spraying the place with some Glade mist or Febreze.
WSS
LMAO! God bless ya Steve!
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Who waited until they were 18 or 19?
Great write up, Flugs... I may have actually acquired an appreciation for your style... at least when you and I agree...
Chad is still my top, 2017 Darkhorse candidate. I figure with his injury he's no higher than a mid-Day 2 pick, so the risk is not too great, and as you showed the upside is there.
The problem? His was a two-fer knee injury... ACL plus meniscus. Can't find a timetable on his progress, but odds are he's an IR stash his rookie season. He certainly won't be flashing at the Combine or any Pro-day.
I did find:
Surgery was a success, rehabilitation will soon follow and Chad Kelly is expected to make a full recovery after suffering a torn ACL in his right knee. What awaits the former St. Joseph’s Collegiate Institute star and Ole Miss quarterback, whose college career abruptly ended Nov. 5?
It could turn into a multimillion-dollar question for Kelly, who four weeks into the season was rated No. 9 among college quarterbacks by Pro Football Focus. Whatever his draft stock, it undoubtedly plummeted when he limped off the field after throwing for 249 yards and three touchdowns against Georgia Southern.
Kelly’s knee was in the gifted hands of Dr. James Andrews, the renowned orthopedic surgeon who performed the operation this week. Remember, the quarterback came back after tearing the ACL in his left knee while playing in Clemson’s spring game in 2013.
“Basically, he’s doing very well,” Kelly’s father, Kevin, said Tuesday when reached by telephone. “He’s extremely sore. The doctor gave him a good report. He was looking at his bones and his muscles and was very impressed with how strong they are. He was very pleased to see how healthy his legs are.”
http://buffalonews.com/2016/11/15/buck-stops-kelly-hoping-road-recovery-leads-nfl/
As for the photo... it was taken after the surgery was done. Strikes me as a combo of idle time and pain management with perhaps a small dose of discounsolation on top. The more disquieting others find it... the cheaper he gets.
Who waited until they were 18 or 19?
Great write up, Flugs... I may have actually acquired an appreciation for your style... at least when you and I agree...
Chad is still my top, 2017 Darkhorse candidate. I figure with his injury he's no higher than a mid-Day 2 pick, so the risk is not too great, and as you showed the upside is there.
The problem? His was a two-fer knee injury...
As for the photo... it was taken after the surgery was done. Strikes me as a combo of idle time and pain management with perhaps a small dose of discounsolation on top. The more disquieting others find it... the cheaper he gets.
Thanks - I really appreciate that Tour! Backatchya with appreciating your style as well as your passion.
Well put about the bargain he can become.
My first impression of Kelly was watching him beat Alabama in 2015. I saw the only QB Bama's elite defense couldn't stop prior to winning their National Championship. If we're wrong in taking Trubisky it's going to be at the expense of landing the pick of the litter at a huge need vrs "oh well, we missed on another mid/late round pick."
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Chad Kelly is the human embodiment of trash.
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Chad Kelly is the human embodiment of trash.
+1. He is the embodiment of everything this staff wants to stay away from.Chad Kelly is the human embodiment of trash.
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Chad Kelly is the human embodiment of trash.
Chad Kelly is the human embodiment of trash.
Agreed. So are alot of good players. Mostly irrelevant IMO, but certainly more important for a QB than any other position.
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Sorry, Mr. FlugelsMeistsies...
but Kelly is/was a world class jerk. In 2014, I can't believe he acted like he did at all.
Tough to give a kid second chances after that fiasco. I suppose he may have "grown up", etc.
but when he gets to the NFL and makes millions of bucks, will he start being his "old self" again?
I, too, wouldn't draft him in any round. Don't need the locker room drama which is justifiably to
be suspected to be occurring eventually.
Calsies, I wish I could say drafting "Nice" kids like Charlie Frye and Brady Quinn was the best way to prevent the pricks in Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Cincy from taking turns at repeatedly winning the division. Unfortunately, I've seen where our nice guys have continued to finish since 1999.
I'd hate to think we're going to spend the next 3-4 years defending our 1st overall pick with "yeah but he's a great kid."
Like I said in this thread, it doesn't necessarily have to be Chad Kelly as a later round alternative to using #1 overall on Trubisky. It can be another QB the popularity contest pushes back like it did to guys like Dak Prescott and Russell Wilson not so long ago. I just think Kelly's skill set along with the ACL injury plus all the old stories about what a terrible kid he used to be could work in our favor in a later round with minimal risk/hurt if we're wrong. If you have a QB you feel might fit this route better than Chad Kelly - I'd be open to hearing who it is and why you feel he's a better idea.
Keep in mind, as the draft comes closer - there's going to be more stories surfacing to scare teams away from drafting a kid like Kelly. I remembered reading the week of the draft that Adrian Peterson's shoulder/clavicle injury might require season ending surgery before his rookie year would even get off the ground. Some teams took the bait while Minnesota did their research instead of reacting to rumors and false stories that were getting printed. Some of this could very well apply here especially with writers like Jason LaCockroach out there.
Calsies, I wish I could say drafting "Nice" kids like Charlie Frye and Brady Quinn was the best way to prevent the pricks in Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Cincy from taking turns at repeatedly winning the division. Unfortunately, I've seen where our nice guys have continued to finish since 1999.
I'd hate to think we're going to spend the next 3-4 years defending our 1st overall pick with "yeah but he's a great kid."
Like I said in this thread, it doesn't necessarily have to be Chad Kelly as a later round alternative to using #1 overall on Trubisky. It can be another QB the popularity contest pushes back like it did to guys like Dak Prescott and Russell Wilson not so long ago. I just think Kelly's skill set along with the ACL injury plus all the old stories about what a terrible kid he used to be could work in our favor in a later round with minimal risk/hurt if we're wrong. If you have a QB you feel might fit this route better than Chad Kelly - I'd be open to hearing who it is and why you feel he's a better idea.
Keep in mind, as the draft comes closer - there's going to be more stories surfacing to scare teams away from drafting a kid like Kelly. I remembered reading the week of the draft that Adrian Peterson's shoulder/clavicle injury might require season ending surgery before his rookie year would even get off the ground. Some teams took the bait while Minnesota did their research instead of reacting to rumors and false stories that were getting printed. Some of this could very well apply here especially with writers like Jason LaCockroach out there.
I agree. Nice guys finish last in football. The game of football just does not comport with gentlemen for the most part.
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Calsies, I wish I could say drafting "Nice" kids like Charlie Frye and Brady Quinn was the best way to prevent the pricks in Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Cincy from taking turns at repeatedly winning the division. Unfortunately, I've seen where our nice guys have continued to finish since 1999.
I'd hate to think we're going to spend the next 3-4 years defending our 1st overall pick with "yeah but he's a great kid."
Like I said in this thread, it doesn't necessarily have to be Chad Kelly as a later round alternative to using #1 overall on Trubisky. It can be another QB the popularity contest pushes back like it did to guys like Dak Prescott and Russell Wilson not so long ago. I just think Kelly's skill set along with the ACL injury plus all the old stories about what a terrible kid he used to be could work in our favor in a later round with minimal risk/hurt if we're wrong. If you have a QB you feel might fit this route better than Chad Kelly - I'd be open to hearing who it is and why you feel he's a better idea.
Keep in mind, as the draft comes closer - there's going to be more stories surfacing to scare teams away from drafting a kid like Kelly. I remembered reading the week of the draft that Adrian Peterson's shoulder/clavicle injury might require season ending surgery before his rookie year would even get off the ground. Some teams took the bait while Minnesota did their research instead of reacting to rumors and false stories that were getting printed. Some of this could very well apply here especially with writers like Jason LaCockroach out there.
I agree. Nice guys finish last in football. The game of football just does not comport with gentlemen for the most part.
To me there's a difference between "nice guys" and "trash". In a sport full of testosterone overdrive an element of nasty is good. You can be a nasty mean competitive player without being a gangster wanna be thug.I agree. Nice guys finish last in football. The game of football just does not comport with gentlemen for the most part.
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But your odds are greatly diminished.
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If you guys want to show me a list of late round QBs with off the field problems related to drugs and fighting and general douchbaggery who became franchise QBs in the last 25 years, I'll wait.
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If you guys want to show me a list of late round QBs with off the field problems related to drugs and fighting and general douchbaggery who became franchise QBs in the last 25 years, I'll wait.
If you guys want to show me a list of late round QBs with off the field problems related to drugs and fighting and general douchbaggery who became franchise QBs in the last 25 years, I'll wait.
Tom Brady had a well known bath salts problem.
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If you guys want to show me a list of late round QBs with off the field problems related to drugs and fighting and general douchbaggery who became franchise QBs in the last 25 years, I'll wait.
If you guys want to show me a list of late round QBs with off the field problems related to drugs and fighting and general douchbaggery who became franchise QBs in the last 25 years, I'll wait.
Instead of showing up to 1 more thread just to piss all over it, you could actually participate and give us a better alternative to Kelly after round 1 like I asked of those who disapprove of Kelly.
BTW, Irish people have a tendency to swing first and ask questions later as depicted in Notre Dame's storied football tradition. Meanwhile college QBs have a tendency to like to party after a hard week of work. This has gone on in the NFL as well dating all the way back to Norm Van Brocklin and probably much longer. Do you want an alter boy with manners or a competitive QB? It's okay to be a fiery leader with a work hard - play hard attitude. And when we read about him fighting, why are we so quick to assume he wasn't defending family or friends? This doesn't exactly make him the Pac Man Jones you want portrayed here. Having said that, I'll bet there's at least 2 females in this country that would tell me Ben Roethlisberger is just as much of a thug as Pac Man is. That hasn't stopped him from frequenting Superbowls while nice kids like Kessler in Cleveland have been getting concussions and other injuries.
Anyone remember why Dan Marino slid all the way down into the late 20s of round 1? Rumors of heavy partying and nose candy while his final matchup with Penn State showed him screaming at teammates. He also screamed at Clayton and Duper at the next level when they dropped his passes, which looked like it was an effective form of fiery leadership. Jim Kelly and Bernie Kosar came out of one of the biggest party schools in the country. You don't think they waited to take their first sip of beer until after they retired, do you? If so, I have some real estate for sale in Alligator Alley. This just in. One of those guys is Irish and he's related to Chad Kelly. There's a lot of stories about Jim's partying past 4:00 am in the Elmwood Strip on weekends of home games especially during the brief tenure of the "Bickering Bills." Once the guy wanted to take on the responsibility of the "no huddle" with him calling his own plays - he got a little smarter with when/where his partying should take place. He also became a much better guy to his girlfriend/fiance and in the community.
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If you guys want to show me a list of late round QBs with off the field problems related to drugs and fighting and general douchbaggery who became franchise QBs in the last 25 years, I'll wait.
If you guys want to show me a list of late round QBs with off the field problems related to drugs and fighting and general douchbaggery who became franchise QBs in the last 25 years, I'll wait.
Why the "late round" proviso if your main issue is off-field concerns?
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So our list of better alternatives to Chad Kelly after round 1 from those that disapprove of him remains at 0. Apparently, they're just as impressed with this QB class as I am. I wish that pushed Trubisky into Peyton Manning range; but Manning actually felt a 4th season of starting experience was important to his readiness for the NFL. That was his response on the radio when Frank Wycheck asked him why did you risk getting hurt when you would have been the #1 overall after your junior year?
That being the case, I'll love me some Allen or Garrett 1st and the next best impact we can find defensively at #12. Allen reminds me of a more compact version of Richard Seymore in the way he can play inside or outside as well as any technique a DC will assign him so I'm leaning toward him. Furthermore, I'm not sold we need to write off Nate Orchard this quickly; especially considering he'll be a probably be a much better fit in Williams' scheme. That said, I'll keep an open mind and welcome any feedback from our 12th Man guys (War & Aggies) or others that have seen a lot more of Garrett than I have.
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