Just 3-4 players off
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Two RBs blended can't match one player with a wider skill set. You swap and the D says, "Here comes the guy that does Y vs. the starter that does X." And that's ignoring the fact that neither individually can match Bell in speed or elusiveness.
Not sure I agree there. And the answer to the "here comes guy Y is: put them both in the backfield at the same time. What is wrong with that? It worked with Mack/Byner, Csonka/Kiick/Morris Pruitt and Pruitt. It can be done....its just that coaches don't want to play that game anymore....having two good RBs in at the same time. They want 5 WR sets etc. Maybe the Browns should play some old school ball. It wouldn't hurt.
Culture change isn't that hard to figure out. It is hard to implement, but only because it takes consistent application of established standards over time... AKA continuity.
Well, if it was so fucking easy, why didn't the Browns just do that. Maybe we should have just kept Chris Palmer on as HC....hell, if we had just done that we would have had the next Bill Belichick on our hands. Continuity for continuity sakes is no virtue.
Two RBs blended can't match one player with a wider skill set. You swap and the D says, "Here comes the guy that does Y vs. the starter that does X." And that's ignoring the fact that neither individually can match Bell in speed or elusiveness.
Not sure I agree there. And the answer to the "here comes guy Y is: put them both in the backfield at the same time. What is wrong with that? It worked with Mack/Byner, Csonka/Kiick/Morris Pruitt and Pruitt. It can be done....its just that coaches don't want to play that game anymore....having two good RBs in at the same time. They want 5 WR sets etc. Maybe the Browns should play some old school ball. It wouldn't hurt.
Culture change isn't that hard to figure out. It is hard to implement, but only because it takes consistent application of established standards over time... AKA continuity.
Well, if it was so fucking easy, why didn't the Browns just do that. Maybe we should have just kept Chris Palmer on as HC....hell, if we had just done that we would have had the next Bill Belichick on our hands. Continuity for continuity sakes is no virtue.
Putting both Crow and Duke in the backfield limits your lead blocking ability and I can only think of a small handfull of plays where you wouldn't ask either of them to lead up into a hole.
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Yeah, I'm actually right there with you on this, BUT the severe problem is, the "3-4 players" we need just happen to be some of the most difficult positions to fill. We need a QB (duh...), and it's not like we haven't been trying for 15 years. We need a dominant edge rusher. Those are the two most difficult positions to nail in the draft or otherwise, and they could both drastically alter the trajectory of our team.
Yeah, I'm actually right there with you on this, BUT the severe problem is, the "3-4 players" we need just happen to be some of the most difficult positions to fill. We need a QB (duh...), and it's not like we haven't been trying for 15 years. We need a dominant edge rusher. Those are the two most difficult positions to nail in the draft or otherwise, and they could both drastically alter the trajectory of our team.
Right. And this year we have a edge rusher who is about as sure a bet as can be had when drafting players, or QBs who all have question marks.
I think all of the QBs in this class are highly inflated. I am not saying they aren't or can't be good. I am just saying it would be a mistake to gamble with that first pick. We can't blow it, and we really need some immediate impact.
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Yeah, I'm actually right there with you on this, BUT the severe problem is, the "3-4 players" we need just happen to be some of the most difficult positions to fill. We need a QB (duh...), and it's not like we haven't been trying for 15 years. We need a dominant edge rusher. Those are the two most difficult positions to nail in the draft or otherwise, and they could both drastically alter the trajectory of our team.
Right. And this year we have a edge rusher who is about as sure a bet as can be had when drafting players, or QBs who all have question marks.
I think all of the QBs in this class are highly inflated. I am not saying they aren't or can't be good. I am just saying it would be a mistake to gamble with that first pick. We can't blow it, and we really need some immediate impact.
Right. And this year we have a edge rusher who is about as sure a bet as can be had when drafting players, or QBs who all have question marks.
I think all of the QBs in this class are highly inflated. I am not saying they aren't or can't be good. I am just saying it would be a mistake to gamble with that first pick. We can't blow it, and we really need some immediate impact.
I don't think you get an excellent QB if you don't gamble. Every player you take is a gamble. Too often the Browns have lost those bets. Sure Trubisky could be Joey Harrington...or he could be Aaron Rodgers. And sure, Garrett could be Lawrence Taylor...or he could be Aundray Bruce.
And there can be no more immediate impact on a team than a QB.
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Right. And this year we have a edge rusher who is about as sure a bet as can be had when drafting players, or QBs who all have question marks.
I think all of the QBs in this class are highly inflated. I am not saying they aren't or can't be good. I am just saying it would be a mistake to gamble with that first pick. We can't blow it, and we really need some immediate impact.
I don't think you get an excellent QB if you don't gamble. Every player you take is a gamble. Too often the Browns have lost those bets. Sure Trubisky could be Joey Harrington...or he could be Aaron Rodgers. And sure, Garrett could be Lawrence Taylor...or he could be Aundray Bruce.
And there can be no more immediate impact on a team than a QB.
I don't think you get an excellent QB if you don't gamble. Every player you take is a gamble. Too often the Browns have lost those bets. Sure Trubisky could be Joey Harrington...or he could be Aaron Rodgers. And sure, Garrett could be Lawrence Taylor...or he could be Aundray Bruce.
And there can be no more immediate impact on a team than a QB.
Nothing against Mitch trubisky but I don't agree with that. Many positions are able to start and make a difference right off the bat. Usually quarterbacks take a little bit of time.
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Agreed we are just 3 -4 players off ...... come on down Bell, Brown, Berry and Cousins
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I don't think you get an excellent QB if you don't gamble. Every player you take is a gamble. Too often the Browns have lost those bets. Sure Trubisky could be Joey Harrington...or he could be Aaron Rodgers. And sure, Garrett could be Lawrence Taylor...or he could be Aundray Bruce.
And there can be no more immediate impact on a team than a QB.
Nothing against Mitch trubisky but I don't agree with that. Many positions are able to start and make a difference right off the bat. Usually quarterbacks take a little bit of time.
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Nothing against Mitch trubisky but I don't agree with that. Many positions are able to start and make a difference right off the bat. Usually quarterbacks take a little bit of time.
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I understand and agree. But I am saying is that finally when that QB gets his chance, that more than anything else has greater impact on a team.
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Agreed we are just 3 -4 players off ...... come on down Bell, Brown, Berry and Cousins
Are these guys Free agents after this year? Berry is I know. Cousins, I would not want so much....though....getting him for nothing other than money may be better than trading real assets for Garropolo. And honestly, Cousins is more proven. (so...RG would lose his job to him again? how ironic).
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Lots of reports saying we have an interest in Tyrod Taylor....not really an upgrade on RG3
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Lots of reports saying we have an interest in Tyrod Taylor....not really an upgrade on RG3
Lots of reports saying we have an interest in Tyrod Taylor....not really an upgrade on RG3
Precisely. For the life of me I don't know why we would have much interest in him....unless, the Browns ditch both McCown and Griffin, keeping Kessler, Taylor at backup, and draft a guy.
Then, maybe.
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Disagree with the entire notion of this thread.. We need talent at nearly all positions. We need an overhaul of the defensive backfield.. I wouldn't be unhappy if we drafted 4. We need one more talented LB. We need 1-2 more DL. We need 1-2 more OL. We need a TE who's as good as average at blocking. And we need a QB.
Culture is simply the byproduct of winning- period. It's not ephemeral.
Winning is ephemeral for some. Take the Arizona Cardinals. One year up, several years down. Even winning in the short term has not really changed that team's culture.
And as we have seen, certainly for the Cleveland Browns, losing is NOT ephemeral. It may indeed be cultural.
Winning is ephemeral for some. Take the Arizona Cardinals. One year up, several years down. Even winning in the short term has not really changed that team's culture.
And as we have seen, certainly for the Cleveland Browns, losing is NOT ephemeral. It may indeed be cultural.
Or, it may not. Frankly, I care more what the Browns players themselves actually think - since they're the ones who would experience whatever you're asserting.
No surprise - they agree with me, and not you.
But keep moving those goalposts!
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Winning is ephemeral for some. Take the Arizona Cardinals. One year up, several years down. Even winning in the short term has not really changed that team's culture.
And as we have seen, certainly for the Cleveland Browns, losing is NOT ephemeral. It may indeed be cultural.
Or, it may not. Frankly, I care more what the Browns players themselves actually think - since they're the ones who would experience whatever you're asserting.
No surprise - they agree with me, and not you.
But keep moving those goalposts!
Or, it may not. Frankly, I care more what the Browns players themselves actually think - since they're the ones who would experience whatever you're asserting.
No surprise - they agree with me, and not you.
But keep moving those goalposts!
I hope you are right. I hope these guys think of themselves as winners. But 1-15, 3-13, etc. kind of contradicts that.
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