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  • BaconHound B One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
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    B BaconHound wrote on last edited by BaconHound
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    DBs are worthless if you can't stop the run or pressure the QB. It scares me the number of publications who can't figure that out.

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      The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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      This link discusses the needs of the Top 5 teams in the draft.

      http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000714737/article/2017-nfl-draft-order-and-needs-for-every-team

      In the video the commentators say that the needs are:

      Browns...Quarterback

      49ers....Quarterback

      Bears....Quarterback

      Jags....Running Back

      Titans...Wide Receiver

      They do not speculate on what QBs could go to each of the first 3 teams. I speculate that perhaps 2 of these teams will take QBs.

      On the Jags, they think that Fournette could be the pick there. (though I have seen Dalvin Cook surpass him in many rankings)

      On the Tits, they think that Mike Williams of Clemson is a perfect fit for that team.....and I certainly cannot argue with that.

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        T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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        And if you click on this within that link, well you get a different take. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000776348/article/mock-draft-10-myles-garrett-goes-no-1-to-browns

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          And if you click on this within that link, well you get a different take. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000776348/article/mock-draft-10-myles-garrett-goes-no-1-to-browns

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          The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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          @texasag1969 said:

          And if you click on this within that link, well you get a different take. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000776348/article/mock-draft-10-myles-garrett-goes-no-1-to-browns

          A mock draft is different from a list of priority needs. The item I linked said that the first 3 teams drafting have a QB as their biggest need. It doesn't propose that all three teams take a QB.

          While it may be all well and good to say that the Browns should select player X....it is because that is who the writer of the mock thinks should go first, because of talent, etc.

          But, a defensive end is NOT the biggest need of the Cleveland Browns. We have young players Ogbah/Nassib/Cooper etc. at that spot. It is a fairly well armed spot on this team....comparatively. (not that DE or any other spot can't use improvement).

          Our defensive backfield is in worse shape than our DL. A spot along the OL is worse. The QB spot is worse.

          We might take the DE because of his theoretical talent, and if he works out, great. But those other spots would still continue to be greater needs.

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            T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by TexasAg1969
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            BPA-I'll preach it all day. Don't jump for positions of need. Let the player rise to the team. It's not that we don't actually have plenty of places to land with BPA that this team could use desperately. And our woeful # of sacks and QB pressures speaks for itself.

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              BPA-I'll preach it all day. Don't jump for positions of need. Let the player rise to the team. It's not that we don't actually have plenty of places to land with BPA that this team could use desperately. And our woeful # of sacks and QB pressures speaks for itself.

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              @texasag1969 said:

              BPA-I'll preach it all day. Don't jump for positions of need. Let the player rise to the team. It's not that we don't actually have plenty of places to land with BPA that this team could use desperately. And our woeful # of sacks and QB pressures speaks for itself.

              This

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                BPA-I'll preach it all day. Don't jump for positions of need. Let the player rise to the team. It's not that we don't actually have plenty of places to land with BPA that this team could use desperately. And our woeful # of sacks and QB pressures speaks for itself.

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                @texasag1969 said:

                BPA-I'll preach it all day. Don't jump for positions of need. Let the player rise to the team. It's not that we don't actually have plenty of places to land with BPA that this team could use desperately. And our woeful # of sacks and QB pressures speaks for itself.

                ^^^ This. In spades.

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                  BPA-I'll preach it all day. Don't jump for positions of need. Let the player rise to the team. It's not that we don't actually have plenty of places to land with BPA that this team could use desperately. And our woeful # of sacks and QB pressures speaks for itself.

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                  The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                  @texasag1969 said:

                  BPA-I'll preach it all day. Don't jump for positions of need. Let the player rise to the team. It's not that we don't actually have plenty of places to land with BPA that this team could use desperately. And our woeful # of sacks and QB pressures speaks for itself.

                  Then you contradict yourself a bit. On the one hand you say....go for BPA, then in then next you say "go for the need because of our poor pressure". So, which is it.

                  With this caveat: It is not my opinion necessarily that the BPA is in fact a defensive player.

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                    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                    if you strictly by BPA, then who seems like more a perenial All-pro elite player...

                    Jamal Adams, Hooker, or Garrett? When you have a pro bowl tackle, and a fine RT, why

                    would you ignore some desperate needs in the process of deciding who to draft?

                    You'd draft the top player in the draft even if he was a LT ?

                    I'm not sold on Garrett being that pass rush solution. Maybe he is. But pass rush won't matter when the

                    qb can throw to a wide open te or wr in one second. Ya need some balance there.

                    Need a dynamic safety at FS. Look at the depth chart. Need a taller shut down corner, Boddy-Calhoun's size

                    limits him.

                    Maybe the BPA ends up being an offensive player, that not many have heard of yet. BPA is only part of the pick

                    appraisal. If you had to pick between Adams and Garrett, how do you figure which is the BPA when

                    they play different positions?

                    Meanwhile, this kid can play..interesting article.

                    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2017-nfl-draft-meet-forrest-lamp-the-nfls-next-great-guard-prospect/

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                      @texasag1969 said:

                      BPA-I'll preach it all day. Don't jump for positions of need. Let the player rise to the team. It's not that we don't actually have plenty of places to land with BPA that this team could use desperately. And our woeful # of sacks and QB pressures speaks for itself.

                      Then you contradict yourself a bit. On the one hand you say....go for BPA, then in then next you say "go for the need because of our poor pressure". So, which is it.

                      With this caveat: It is not my opinion necessarily that the BPA is in fact a defensive player.

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                      T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by TexasAg1969
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                      @the-gipper said:

                      Then you contradict yourself a bit. On the one hand you say....go for BPA, then in then next you say "go for the need because of our poor pressure". So, which is it.

                      With this caveat: It is not my opinion necessarily that the BPA is in fact a defensive player.

                      Not a contradiction at all. I'm merely pointing out that BPA @ #1 overall happens to fill one of those many glaring needs. The player rises to the team. 1+1=2.

                      Edit: And the reason I gave the info on that need is that you usually leave it out or try to argue that who we have in Nassib, Ogbah, etc. are just fine. If they were we would not be so woeful as a defensive pressure team.

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                        if you strictly by BPA, then who seems like more a perenial All-pro elite player...

                        Jamal Adams, Hooker, or Garrett? When you have a pro bowl tackle, and a fine RT, why

                        would you ignore some desperate needs in the process of deciding who to draft?

                        You'd draft the top player in the draft even if he was a LT ?

                        I'm not sold on Garrett being that pass rush solution. Maybe he is. But pass rush won't matter when the

                        qb can throw to a wide open te or wr in one second. Ya need some balance there.

                        Need a dynamic safety at FS. Look at the depth chart. Need a taller shut down corner, Boddy-Calhoun's size

                        limits him.

                        Maybe the BPA ends up being an offensive player, that not many have heard of yet. BPA is only part of the pick

                        appraisal. If you had to pick between Adams and Garrett, how do you figure which is the BPA when

                        they play different positions?

                        Meanwhile, this kid can play..interesting article.

                        http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2017-nfl-draft-meet-forrest-lamp-the-nfls-next-great-guard-prospect/

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                        SuomiS Suomi wrote on last edited by
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                        @calfoxwc said:

                        if you strictly by BPA, then who seems like more a perenial All-pro elite player...

                        Jamal Adams, Hooker, or Garrett? When you have a pro bowl tackle, and a fine RT, why

                        would you ignore some desperate needs in the process of deciding who to draft?

                        You'd draft the top player in the draft even if he was a LT ?

                        I'm not sold on Garrett being that pass rush solution. Maybe he is. But pass rush won't matter when the

                        qb can throw to a wide open te or wr in one second. Ya need some balance there.

                        Need a dynamic safety at FS. Look at the depth chart. Need a taller shut down corner, Boddy-Calhoun's size

                        limits him.

                        Maybe the BPA ends up being an offensive player, that not many have heard of yet. BPA is only part of the pick

                        appraisal. If you had to pick between Adams and Garrett, how do you figure which is the BPA when

                        they play different positions?

                        Meanwhile, this kid can play..interesting article.

                        http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2017-nfl-draft-meet-forrest-lamp-the-nfls-next-great-guard-prospect/

                        Interesting commentary. From what I've gathered Garrett is the BPA at #1. However, there's a strong argument that can be made for Leonard Fournette. Defensive ends might have longer NFL lifespans than running backs. Does one then consider potential length of service as a factor in determining the value of a player? If the #1 ranked BPA plays a position with an average NFL lifespan of 3.5 years, and the #2 ranked BPA plays a position with an average NFL lifespan of 6.5 years...which one is truly more valuable?

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                          @calfoxwc said:

                          if you strictly by BPA, then who seems like more a perenial All-pro elite player...

                          Jamal Adams, Hooker, or Garrett? When you have a pro bowl tackle, and a fine RT, why

                          would you ignore some desperate needs in the process of deciding who to draft?

                          You'd draft the top player in the draft even if he was a LT ?

                          I'm not sold on Garrett being that pass rush solution. Maybe he is. But pass rush won't matter when the

                          qb can throw to a wide open te or wr in one second. Ya need some balance there.

                          Need a dynamic safety at FS. Look at the depth chart. Need a taller shut down corner, Boddy-Calhoun's size

                          limits him.

                          Maybe the BPA ends up being an offensive player, that not many have heard of yet. BPA is only part of the pick

                          appraisal. If you had to pick between Adams and Garrett, how do you figure which is the BPA when

                          they play different positions?

                          Meanwhile, this kid can play..interesting article.

                          http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2017-nfl-draft-meet-forrest-lamp-the-nfls-next-great-guard-prospect/

                          Interesting commentary. From what I've gathered Garrett is the BPA at #1. However, there's a strong argument that can be made for Leonard Fournette. Defensive ends might have longer NFL lifespans than running backs. Does one then consider potential length of service as a factor in determining the value of a player? If the #1 ranked BPA plays a position with an average NFL lifespan of 3.5 years, and the #2 ranked BPA plays a position with an average NFL lifespan of 6.5 years...which one is truly more valuable?

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                          T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by TexasAg1969
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                          @suomi said:

                          Interesting commentary. From what I've gathered Garrett is the BPA at #1. However, there's a strong argument that can be made for Leonard Fournette. Defensive ends might have longer NFL lifespans than running backs. Does one then consider potential length of service as a factor in determining the value of a player? If the #1 ranked BPA plays a position with an average NFL lifespan of 3.5 years, and the #2 ranked BPA plays a position with an average NFL lifespan of 6.5 years...which one is truly more valuable?

                          The All-Pro future HOFer that lasts 13 years for the Browns, Myles Garrett. 😆

                          Shame on me. Could not resist the bait. Here fishy, fishy. 😁

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                            I'll take Fournette and Trubisky,

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                              Of the 12 teams that made the playoffs only one (Cowboys) had a first round running back playing for them.

                              Just no.

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                                @the-gipper said:

                                SB Nation has their mock draft looking like this:

                                1. Browns Garrett DE

                                2. 49ers Trubisky QB

                                3. Bears Watson QB

                                4. Jags Allen DE

                                5. Titans Hooker S

                                6. Jets Kizer QB

                                7. Chargers Jamal Adams S

                                8. Panthers Fournette RB

                                9. Bengals Mike Williams WR

                                10. Bills Marlon Humphries CB

                                12. Browns Pepper S

                                Forget the Trubisky v. Garett or Allen debate. I would shit glass if we took Peppers at 12.

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                                @logicisforsquares said:

                                Forget the Trubisky v. Garett or Allen debate. I would shit glass if we took Peppers at 12.

                                Out of excitement, right?

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                                  I'll take Fournette and Trubisky,

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                                  @poeticg said:

                                  I'll take Fournette and Trubisky,

                                  God no.

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                                    @logicisforsquares said:

                                    Forget the Trubisky v. Garett or Allen debate. I would shit glass if we took Peppers at 12.

                                    Out of excitement, right?

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                                    @mld-woody said:

                                    Out of excitement, right?

                                    Excitement glass.

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                                      I'll take Fournette and Trubisky,

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                                      @poeticg said:

                                      I'll take Fournette and Trubisky,

                                      I just got a post card from Linus at 22 Pumpkin Patch Blvd telling me not to forget about Josh Gordon.

                                      I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
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                                        @poeticg said:

                                        I'll take Fournette and Trubisky,

                                        I just got a post card from Linus at 22 Pumpkin Patch Blvd telling me not to forget about Josh Gordon.

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                                        @flugel said:

                                        I just got a post card from Linus at 22 Pumpkin Patch Blvd telling me not to forget about Josh Gordon.

                                        You sure that wasn't from Lucy reminding you we are getting close to fall football? 😁

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                                          I'll take Fournette and Trubisky,

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                                          tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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                                          @poeticg said:

                                          I'll take Fournette and Trubisky,

                                          A RB with a shelf life of maybe 5 years on a team that won't be playoff ready for 2-3 at minimum. Seem like a good idea?

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