Betsy DeVos
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http://www.snopes.com/betsy-devos-education-secretary/
Nice work. I see you are getting more information from internet memes these days .
Did you read that Snopes article? Or did you pull a Cal?
What did I say that was wrong?
Yes I read it that's why I posted it. Many of the pros and cons of her nomination are listed and excused or debunked.Did you read that Snopes article? Or did you pull a Cal?
What did I say that was wrong?
I'm not picking a fight with you here just wondering as I assume you are.
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How do you know that she can't do the job? Has she already made a tragic mistake? If she does I won't back her.
How many here have ever interviewed someone for a job?
I have found just as many if not more qualified people without degrees. Sometimes the ones with degrees almost feel entitled to the position.
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yep. Because their pres - can have a communist as an advisor and they won't say a peep.
if you aren't in lockstep with liberalism garbage.... you are nevert "qualified".
"She currently chairs the American Federation for Children, an organization that promotes "school choice" in the form of education vouchers, scholarship tax credits, and the like. "
She is invested in children, has children, she is very successful, and it takes someone
who isn't career-wise "on the take" to see the problems objectively. Most of the time,
you worked in the school system, you either had to fight indoctrination or you get indoctrinated.
saying she isn't qualifed because she isn't on the NEA's side... is sad. Did you guys
complain about Clinton's choice? A lawyer?
I think not. You are just barking up the old "we change it because the president is a different party" nonsense.
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You're creepy as shit. Some punk. I bet you shave your legs.
Oh, I think I hit a nerve.
How do you know that she can't do the job?
That is just.... THE worst logic I've ever heard. Maybe we should hire neurosurgeons that previously worked at daycares because, hey, how in the fuck do you know they CAN'T do the job. AMIRITE?!?
How many here have ever interviewed someone for a job?
I have. More times than I care to count. What's your point to this?
I have found just as many if not more qualified people without degrees. Sometimes the ones with degrees almost feel entitled to the position.
Have you ever interviewed someone in a panel committee for an appointment to the leader of a federal department?
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I think when you CHAIR the AMERICAN FEDERATION FOR CHILDREN,
you understand a hell of a lot about public education issues.
That's obviously why they didn't put their kids in public schools.
Did obamao have his kids in public schools? So, he was unqualified to nominate anybody
for Sec of Ed ?
What school does Obama's daughters attend?Described as "the Harvard of Washington's private schools", the school has educated children of notable politicians, including those of several presidents. Both of United States President Barack Obama's daughters, Sasha and Malia, and Vice President Joe Biden's grandchildren attend the school. -
Who did I attack? Re read what I posted.
So basically neither of you can defend the selection of DeVos with anything substantial, so you resort to attacking others. Giving money to causes makes her an expert now? Right, I've donated to cancer research, so that must make me an expert at cancer research!
The 'attack' term was meant more for Cal, but you did criticize Clinton's pick from 20 years ago, which is fine, but irrelevant. It's basically arguing that the precedent makes it okay to appoint someone with no experience. I thought Trump was supposed to be the outsider who was going to do things differently in Washington? So how is appointing someone with zero qualifications different than doing something you claim has been happening in Washington for decades?
The demand for qualifications seems to be a little bit hazy and shifts one way or the other depending on whose candidate we are discussing.The 'attack' term was meant more for Cal, but you did criticize Clinton's pick from 20 years ago, which is fine, but irrelevant. It's basically arguing that the precedent makes it okay to appoint someone with no experience. I thought Trump was supposed to be the outsider who was going to do things differently in Washington? So how is appointing someone with zero qualifications different than doing something you claim has been happening in Washington for decades?
Frankly I'm not sure that a CEO of a computer company wouldn't be a good choice for CEO of an agricultural firm or an automotive company.
I remember talking to a sales guy who believed that if he could sell guitars you could sell refrigerators or cars or men's clothing.
So I don't know exactly what qualifications would make her better. I'm not just blindly defending her but I would think that growing up business-wise in the teachers union would not be a positive thing.
A different example would Joe Thomas necessarily be a better head coach than Bill Belichick.
WSS
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You're creepy as shit. Some punk. I bet you shave your legs.
Oh, I think I hit a nerve.
How do you know that she can't do the job?
That is just.... THE worst logic I've ever heard. Maybe we should hire neurosurgeons that previously worked at daycares because, hey, how in the fuck do you know they CAN'T do the job. AMIRITE?!?
How many here have ever interviewed someone for a job?
I have. More times than I care to count. What's your point to this?
I have found just as many if not more qualified people without degrees. Sometimes the ones with degrees almost feel entitled to the position.
Have you ever interviewed someone in a panel committee for an appointment to the leader of a federal department?
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
I'm sure that obamao's sec of ed were longtime progressive wonks in the public schools.
guess what. they didn't fix anything. That is why you get someone invested longterm
in FIXING the problem.
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I would like the Secretary of Education to have at least some experience with public schools.
Like the housing secretary has experience in public housing you mean?
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The demand for qualifications seems to be a little bit hazy and shifts one way or the other depending on whose candidate we are discussing.The 'attack' term was meant more for Cal, but you did criticize Clinton's pick from 20 years ago, which is fine, but irrelevant. It's basically arguing that the precedent makes it okay to appoint someone with no experience. I thought Trump was supposed to be the outsider who was going to do things differently in Washington? So how is appointing someone with zero qualifications different than doing something you claim has been happening in Washington for decades?
Frankly I'm not sure that a CEO of a computer company wouldn't be a good choice for CEO of an agricultural firm or an automotive company.
I remember talking to a sales guy who believed that if he could sell guitars you could sell refrigerators or cars or men's clothing.
So I don't know exactly what qualifications would make her better. I'm not just blindly defending her but I would think that growing up business-wise in the teachers union would not be a positive thing.
A different example would Joe Thomas necessarily be a better head coach than Bill Belichick.
WSS
The demand for qualifications seems to be a little bit hazy and shifts one way or the other depending on whose candidate we are discussing.
Frankly I'm not sure that a CEO of a computer company wouldn't be a good choice for CEO of an agricultural firm or an automotive company.
I remember talking to a sales guy who believed that if he could sell guitars you could sell refrigerators or cars or men's clothing.
So I don't know exactly what qualifications would make her better. I'm not just blindly defending her but I would think that growing up business-wise in the teachers union would not be a positive thing.
A different example would Joe Thomas necessarily be a better head coach than Bill Belichick.
WSS
Sure, there is no denying that the demand for qualifications is going to come from the opposing party. That doesn't mean a demand for qualifications shouldn't come. The Education Secretary's job, however, is not retail, and that's what you are comparing it to. The qualifications that would make her better would be the management of both public and private school systems so that she could see the flaws and strengths of each and try to address them.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
oh, baloney. the reps confirmed all sorts of appts by obamao, that did NOT
suscribe to their stances.
but NOW, of course, that table is turned. "devos bad, not on our side, boo hoo, dammit"
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So he isn't allowed to do what past administration's have done because a new precedent is set?
So he isn't allowed to do what past administration's have done because a new precedent is set?
He can do what he is legally allowed to do, but don't complain when he is criticized for it. Many of the Republicans here criticized plenty of Obama's appointments. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If it was wrong when Clinton did it, then it is wrong when Trump does it, too.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
Just read about this grizzly thing. What a completely unintelligible and frankly stocky shortsy rationale for guns in schools, which btw im not against. I dontbthink its a bad idea at all anymore for a teacher or two to be well trained and carrying. But i can sit infront of a bunch of pasty old white men and make my case without resorting to referencing the ursidae genus. I thought trump was all about smart people, but with a few exceptions the people he's putting in his cabinet seem to be legitimized idiots
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I don't think so. I was here. you weren't. name one. I'm curious.
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The demand for qualifications seems to be a little bit hazy and shifts one way or the other depending on whose candidate we are discussing.
Frankly I'm not sure that a CEO of a computer company wouldn't be a good choice for CEO of an agricultural firm or an automotive company.
I remember talking to a sales guy who believed that if he could sell guitars you could sell refrigerators or cars or men's clothing.
So I don't know exactly what qualifications would make her better. I'm not just blindly defending her but I would think that growing up business-wise in the teachers union would not be a positive thing.
A different example would Joe Thomas necessarily be a better head coach than Bill Belichick.
WSS
Sure, there is no denying that the demand for qualifications is going to come from the opposing party. That doesn't mean a demand for qualifications shouldn't come. The Education Secretary's job, however, is not retail, and that's what you are comparing it to. The qualifications that would make her better would be the management of both public and private school systems so that she could see the flaws and strengths of each and try to address them.
Sure, there is no denying that the demand for qualifications is going to come from the opposing party. That doesn't mean a demand for qualifications shouldn't come. The Education Secretary's job, however, is not retail, and that's what you are comparing it to. The qualifications that would make her better would be the management of both public and private school systems so that she could see the flaws and strengths of each and try to address them.
I guess education is closer to retail then you might want to believe.
Still I think she would be attacked if she spent her entire life as a teacher and believed charter schools should receive public financing. I think it's ideology not experience.
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
Just read about this grizzly thing. What a completely unintelligible and frankly stocky shortsy rationale for guns in schools, which btw im not against. I dontbthink its a bad idea at all anymore for a teacher or two to be well trained and carrying. But i can sit infront of a bunch of pasty old white men and make my case without resorting to referencing the ursidae genus. I thought trump was all about smart people, but with a few exceptions the people he's putting in his cabinet seem to be legitimized idiots
Just read about this grizzly thing. What a completely unintelligible and frankly stocky shortsy rationale for guns in schools, which btw im not against. I dontbthink its a bad idea at all anymore for a teacher or two to be well trained and carrying. But i can sit infront of a bunch of pasty old white men and make my case without resorting to referencing the ursidae genus. I thought trump was all about smart people, but with a few exceptions the people he's putting in his cabinet seem to be legitimized idiots
"...and now...for the REST of the story.."
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oh, baloney. the reps confirmed all sorts of appts by obamao, that did NOT
suscribe to their stances.
but NOW, of course, that table is turned. "devos bad, not on our side, boo hoo, dammit"
oh, baloney. the reps confirmed all sorts of appts by obamao, that did NOT
suscribe to their stances.
but NOW, of course, that table is turned. "devos bad, not on our side, boo hoo, dammit"
And when Trump did select a good, qualified candidate, he was confirmed. General Mattis, Defense Secretary. Confirmed by a vote of 98-1. An excellent, perfectly qualified candidate. It's not about partisan politics, though that's the only lens you are able to see things through.
Devos is not qualified. The only person being partisan here is you, blindly supporting her because she is Trump's pick and not based on qualifications. If Trump puts forward someone as qualified as Mattis was for Defense Secretary, I would be all for it.
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So he isn't allowed to do what past administration's have done because a new precedent is set?
He can do what he is legally allowed to do, but don't complain when he is criticized for it. Many of the Republicans here criticized plenty of Obama's appointments. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If it was wrong when Clinton did it, then it is wrong when Trump does it, too.
Very true but don't come off as shocked when someone didnt attend public school or university but got the job anyway. I don't have to even go back to the Clinton administration to find a career politician receiveing a position the he or she wasn't qualified for and I feel you know that. I encouraged posters to look it up if you feel it hasn't happened. We know that it happens at every level of government. It happens even where some of usay work.He can do what he is legally allowed to do, but don't complain when he is criticized for it. Many of the Republicans here criticized plenty of Obama's appointments. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If it was wrong when Clinton did it, then it is wrong when Trump does it, too.
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Just read about this grizzly thing. What a completely unintelligible and frankly stocky shortsy rationale for guns in schools, which btw im not against. I dontbthink its a bad idea at all anymore for a teacher or two to be well trained and carrying. But i can sit infront of a bunch of pasty old white men and make my case without resorting to referencing the ursidae genus. I thought trump was all about smart people, but with a few exceptions the people he's putting in his cabinet seem to be legitimized idiots
"...and now...for the REST of the story.."
"...and now...for the REST of the story.."
So she's not arguing for ccw's in schools? So why talk about bears infront of a confirmation hearing?
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Sure, there is no denying that the demand for qualifications is going to come from the opposing party. That doesn't mean a demand for qualifications shouldn't come. The Education Secretary's job, however, is not retail, and that's what you are comparing it to. The qualifications that would make her better would be the management of both public and private school systems so that she could see the flaws and strengths of each and try to address them.
I guess education is closer to retail then you might want to believe.
Still I think she would be attacked if she spent her entire life as a teacher and believed charter schools should receive public financing. I think it's ideology not experience.
WSS
I guess education is closer to retail then you might want to believe.
Still I think she would be attacked if she spent her entire life as a teacher and believed charter schools should receive public financing. I think it's ideology not experience.
WSS
We run a family daycare so, limited as that might be, so I have some idea of how much of it is 'retail' and how much of it is not. You may be right, she might be criticized for her ideology, but if she arrived at that ideology after having experienced the gamut of schooling options, I personally would be convinced as to her qualifications.
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