Trump freezes Obama's last minute $221M payment to Palestine
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I'm not under any illusions that Palestine has its fair share of issues internally, and I'm also not naive enough to think that if Israel just stops the bombing then peace blossoms like a spring daisy the next day. But, peace cannot come about by continued military action from either side, and as has been said before, Israel has by far the superior military in the area, let alone compared to the pop guns of Palestine.
As has also been said, Netanyahu and the like are basically just whacking the US' cash pinata as long as it looks like Palestine presents a viable existential threat.
As to the actual supposed intents for the money - "support political reforms" - that doesn't sound like money just intended to go into the Hamas war fund, does it?
I think the guys who fire off mortars and blow up civilians on buses are also capable of misrepresenting their intentions. Murderers can fib a little.
I think the guys who fire off mortars and blow up civilians on buses are also capable of misrepresenting their intentions. Murderers can fib a little.
And yet....
http://www.btselem.org/statistics/fatalities/after-cast-lead/by-date-of-event
Click on any of the numbers and they list the people who were killed, their age, gender, how they were killed, and if they were participating in hostilities.
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God Bless Israel, and God Bless America!
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There will be no peace in the middle east. They have been fighting for multiple millennia and will continue to do so. Both Israel and the Muslims feel they have a right to the land and their religious ideologies is the foundation for the conflict. Not sure we will ever see it happen, ever.
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There will be no peace in the middle east. They have been fighting for multiple millennia and will continue to do so. Both Israel and the Muslims feel they have a right to the land and their religious ideologies is the foundation for the conflict. Not sure we will ever see it happen, ever.
There will be no peace in the middle east. They have been fighting for multiple millennia and will continue to do so. Both Israel and the Muslims feel they have a right to the land and their religious ideologies is the foundation for the conflict. Not sure we will ever see it happen, ever.
I'm pretty sure the west has something to do with perpetuating it for the benefit of the war/oil machines.
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There will be no peace in the middle east. They have been fighting for multiple millennia and will continue to do so. Both Israel and the Muslims feel they have a right to the land and their religious ideologies is the foundation for the conflict. Not sure we will ever see it happen, ever.
They have been fighting for multiple millennia and will continue to do so. Both Israel and the Muslims feel they have a right to the land and their religious ideologies is the foundation for the conflict. Not sure we will ever see it happen, ever.
The Middle East had periods of peace when it was unified under the Ottoman Empire. That also wasn't millennia ago. That was up until WW1. When the Ottoman Empire lost in that war, the lands it ruled in the Middle East were partitioned by the British and French. This laid the foundation for much of the conflict that goes on there today.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
There will be no peace in the middle east. They have been fighting for multiple millennia and will continue to do so. Both Israel and the Muslims feel they have a right to the land and their religious ideologies is the foundation for the conflict. Not sure we will ever see it happen, ever.
I'm pretty sure the west has something to do with perpetuating it for the benefit of the war/oil machines.
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They have been fighting for multiple millennia and will continue to do so. Both Israel and the Muslims feel they have a right to the land and their religious ideologies is the foundation for the conflict. Not sure we will ever see it happen, ever.
The Middle East had periods of peace when it was unified under the Ottoman Empire. That also wasn't millennia ago. That was up until WW1. When the Ottoman Empire lost in that war, the lands it ruled in the Middle East were partitioned by the British and French. This laid the foundation for much of the conflict that goes on there today.
The Middle East had periods of peace when it was unified under the Ottoman Empire. That also wasn't millennia ago. That was up until WW1. When the Ottoman Empire lost in that war, the lands it ruled in the Middle East were partitioned by the British and French. This laid the foundation for much of the conflict that goes on there today.
bullhockey. The Ottoman Empire used Christian boys for slaves, and taxed
others different than them at a very high tax rate....
nah. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/06/middle-east-turmoil-nostalgia-ottomans
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They have been fighting for multiple millennia and will continue to do so. Both Israel and the Muslims feel they have a right to the land and their religious ideologies is the foundation for the conflict. Not sure we will ever see it happen, ever.
The Middle East had periods of peace when it was unified under the Ottoman Empire. That also wasn't millennia ago. That was up until WW1. When the Ottoman Empire lost in that war, the lands it ruled in the Middle East were partitioned by the British and French. This laid the foundation for much of the conflict that goes on there today.
The Middle East had periods of peace when it was unified under the Ottoman Empire. That also wasn't millennia ago. That was up until WW1. When the Ottoman Empire lost in that war, the lands it ruled in the Middle East were partitioned by the British and French. This laid the foundation for much of the conflict that goes on there today.
Fucking British.
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The Middle East had periods of peace when it was unified under the Ottoman Empire. That also wasn't millennia ago. That was up until WW1. When the Ottoman Empire lost in that war, the lands it ruled in the Middle East were partitioned by the British and French. This laid the foundation for much of the conflict that goes on there today.
Fucking British.
Fucking British.
I'm with you in this case. The british from 1800 to maybe the 1990s were a bunch of cunts in terms of imperialism and fucking over other countries. Not alone in doing so mind.
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The Middle East had periods of peace when it was unified under the Ottoman Empire. That also wasn't millennia ago. That was up until WW1. When the Ottoman Empire lost in that war, the lands it ruled in the Middle East were partitioned by the British and French. This laid the foundation for much of the conflict that goes on there today.
bullhockey. The Ottoman Empire used Christian boys for slaves, and taxed
others different than them at a very high tax rate....
nah. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/06/middle-east-turmoil-nostalgia-ottomans
bullhockey. The Ottoman Empire used Christian boys for slaves, and taxed
others different than them at a very high tax rate....
nah. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/06/middle-east-turmoil-nostalgia-ottomans
None of which has any bearing on the point I was addressing. We were talking about wars, not injustice. America had slavery from 1619 to 1863. That doesn't mean America was at war for 244 years continuously.
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your implication was most certainly that the ottoman empire
was a time of peace and cookies until it fell.
nope.
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Fucking British.
I'm with you in this case. The british from 1800 to maybe the 1990s were a bunch of cunts in terms of imperialism and fucking over other countries. Not alone in doing so mind.
I'm with you in this case. The british from 1800 to maybe the 1990s were a bunch of cunts in terms of imperialism and fucking over other countries. Not alone in doing so mind.
Just fkg with you. I have ancestors I'm sure were part of it. Nothing can be done about the past. And nothing can be known about the future.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
your implication was most certainly that the ottoman empire
was a time of peace and cookies until it fell.
nope.
your implication was most certainly that the ottoman empire
was a time of peace and cookies until it fell.
nope.
I implied no such thing. There were few internal wars between middle-eastern states during the Ottoman Empire's rule. Facts are facts, dude. In fact, the period of peace from 1740 to 1768 in the Ottoman Empire lead to their military falling behind in technology which had consequences in future wars. I'm sorry that historical facts don't validate your bias against Muslim nations.
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I'm with you in this case. The british from 1800 to maybe the 1990s were a bunch of cunts in terms of imperialism and fucking over other countries. Not alone in doing so mind.
Just fkg with you. I have ancestors I'm sure were part of it. Nothing can be done about the past. And nothing can be known about the future.
Just fkg with you. I have ancestors I'm sure were part of it. Nothing can be done about the past. And nothing can be known about the future.
True enough, but we can hardly be held accountable today for things our ancestors did.
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The point is, even if there is peace, there will be some asshole(s), jew or muslim, who feels that there is some religious right to all that land and try something. The zealousness that runs through Islam ideology is strong, and I don't feel that it could ever be wiped out, at all.
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your implication was most certainly that the ottoman empire
was a time of peace and cookies until it fell.
nope.
I implied no such thing. There were few internal wars between middle-eastern states during the Ottoman Empire's rule. Facts are facts, dude. In fact, the period of peace from 1740 to 1768 in the Ottoman Empire lead to their military falling behind in technology which had consequences in future wars. I'm sorry that historical facts don't validate your bias against Muslim nations.
I implied no such thing. There were few internal wars between middle-eastern states during the Ottoman Empire's rule. Facts are facts, dude. In fact, the period of peace from 1740 to 1768 in the Ottoman Empire lead to their military falling behind in technology which had consequences in future wars. I'm sorry that historical facts don't validate your bias against Muslim nations.
Here's facts straight from wikipedia:
"The period of defeat and dissolution of the Ottoman Empire (1908–1922) began with the Second Constitutional Era with the Young Turk Revolution. It restored the Ottoman constitution of 1876 and brought in multi-party politics with a two stage electoral system (electoral law) under the Ottoman parliament. The constitution offered hope by freeing the empire’s citizens to modernize the state’s institutions and dissolve inter-communal tensions.[1]"
So, during your interstate peace, was inter-communal tensions and strife. The Turk Revolution was launched to restore their Constitution,
and their rights. You call it "peace" when Christian boys were slaves? And you call ME biased???
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I implied no such thing. There were few internal wars between middle-eastern states during the Ottoman Empire's rule. Facts are facts, dude. In fact, the period of peace from 1740 to 1768 in the Ottoman Empire lead to their military falling behind in technology which had consequences in future wars. I'm sorry that historical facts don't validate your bias against Muslim nations.
Here's facts straight from wikipedia:
"The period of defeat and dissolution of the Ottoman Empire (1908–1922) began with the Second Constitutional Era with the Young Turk Revolution. It restored the Ottoman constitution of 1876 and brought in multi-party politics with a two stage electoral system (electoral law) under the Ottoman parliament. The constitution offered hope by freeing the empire’s citizens to modernize the state’s institutions and dissolve inter-communal tensions.[1]"
So, during your interstate peace, was inter-communal tensions and strife. The Turk Revolution was launched to restore their Constitution,
and their rights. You call it "peace" when Christian boys were slaves? And you call ME biased???
Here's facts straight from wikipedia:
"The period of defeat and dissolution of the Ottoman Empire (1908–1922) began with the Second Constitutional Era with the Young Turk Revolution. It restored the Ottoman constitution of 1876 and brought in multi-party politics with a two stage electoral system (electoral law) under the Ottoman parliament. The constitution offered hope by freeing the empire’s citizens to modernize the state’s institutions and dissolve inter-communal tensions.[1]"
So, during your interstate peace, was inter-communal tensions and strife. The Turk Revolution was launched to restore their Constitution,
and their rights. You call it "peace" when Christian boys were slaves? And you call ME biased???
Don't get too dizzy from all that spinning, Cal. Peace as I am defining it and as dictionaries define it is being in a state absent of war. There isn't a country or empire on the planet or in history that doesn't have "inter-communal tensions and strife" constantly. All you have to do to get that is put 100 people on an island together.
And yes, I call you biased, because you refuse to believe factual information because it doesn't agree with your preconceived notions. Slavery regardless of the religion of the slaves is unjust, it's inhumane, unethical, and repulsive but it isn't war. Seems like a pretty simple logical concept to me.
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Well, I gave you facts, but you are doing the liberal tippy-toe dance around
what facts you don't want to include in the discussion.
I call YOU biased, because on a simple lookup, at the top of the page,
here is the other part of the defination:
peace
pēs/noun- 1.freedom from disturbance; quiet and tranquility."you can while away an hour or two in peace and seclusion"
Now, when the nazis took over and oppressed entire countries, they weren't at war with them.
But the lives in that country were oppressed, great disturbance, no tranquility, and war crimes.
They had no peace.
Now, the fact that the ottoman empire had Christian boys as slaves, etc etc etc etc, means
they were not at peace at all. No more cherry-pickie, Os. You're just wrong.
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Well, I gave you facts, but you are doing the liberal tippy-toe dance around
what facts you don't want to include in the discussion.
I call YOU biased, because on a simple lookup, at the top of the page,
here is the other part of the defination:
peace
pēs/noun- 1.freedom from disturbance; quiet and tranquility."you can while away an hour or two in peace and seclusion"
Now, when the nazis took over and oppressed entire countries, they weren't at war with them.
But the lives in that country were oppressed, great disturbance, no tranquility, and war crimes.
They had no peace.
Now, the fact that the ottoman empire had Christian boys as slaves, etc etc etc etc, means
they were not at peace at all. No more cherry-pickie, Os. You're just wrong.
Well, I gave you facts, but you are doing the liberal tippy-toe dance around
what facts you don't want to include in the discussion.
I call YOU biased, because on a simple lookup, at the top of the page,
here is the other part of the defination:
peace
pēs/noun- 1.freedom from disturbance; quiet and tranquility."you can while away an hour or two in peace and seclusion"
Now, when the nazis took over and oppressed entire countries, they weren't at war with them.
But the lives in that country were oppressed, great disturbance, no tranquility, and war crimes.
They had no peace.
Now, the fact that the ottoman empire had Christian boys as slaves, etc etc etc etc, means
they were not at peace at all. No more cherry-pickie, Os. You're just wrong.
Holy crap, you just stepped in it now. You said:
"Well, I gave you facts, but you are doing the liberal tippy-toe dance around
what facts you don't want to include in the discussion."
And yet you deliberately excluded the full definition on the lookup you just did:
peacepēs/noun- 1.freedom from disturbance; quiet and tranquility."you can while away an hour or two in peace and seclusion"
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- 2.freedom from or the cessation of war or violence."the Straits were to be open to warships in time of peace"synonyms: law and order, lawfulness, order, peacefulness, peaceableness, harmony, nonviolence;formalconcord"we pray for peace"
The Ottoman Empire abolished slavery and the slave trade in 1847. Therefore, even by your definition, the Ottoman Empire had periods of peace. After this, they were also not at war with other nations from 1879 to 1893 and had literally dozens of other periods where they weren't at war with anyone after the abolition of slavery. Therefore, they had periods of time that met BOTH definitions of peace. Pack your bags, you are wrong. You lose.
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of course I did - you brought up the latter. I referred to the other half of the definition
you ignored.
Just trying to explain to you, Os, that you are wrong about your assertion of Ottoman
Empire "peace".
it was not. The two aspects of the definition work in conjunction with each other.
Furthermore, to buoy up my claim further...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire
" While the Empire was able to largely hold its own during the conflict, it was struggling with internal dissent, especially with the Arab Revolt in its Arabian holdings. Starting before World War I, but growing increasingly common and violent during it, major atrocities were committed by the Ottoman government against the Armenians, Assyrians and Pontic Greeks."
So, how does it work, that the Ottoman empire committed atrocities against Armenians, Assyrians, and Pontic Greeks, and had Christian young men as slaves... well into WWI, which started in 1914, and you say there was peace until the break up of the same ottoman empire? I'm not seeing it, Os..... if they abolished Christianyoung men as slaves... you need to know that sex slaves etc still existed throughout their empire.Enslavement of Caucasians was banned in the early 19th century, while slaves from other groups were allowed.[3] In Constantinople (present-day Istanbul), the administrative and political center of the Empire, about a fifth of the population consisted of slaves in 1609.[4]
Even after several measures to ban slavery in the late 19th century, the practice continued largely unabated into the early 20th century. As late as 1908, female slaves were still sold in the Ottoman Empire.[5]Sexual slavery was a central part of the Ottoman slave system throughout the history of the institution.[6][7]
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