Joe Thomas on #1 overall...
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If the offensive leader of this team has the opinion that the best way to help the team is an edge rusher, then some of the baseballers in the FO need to pay close attention.
If the offensive leader of this team has the opinion that the best way to help the team is an edge rusher, then some of the baseballers in the FO need to pay close attention.
I'm sure they are. If he can hit a 90 mph fastball, count on him being drafted.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again - when Joe retires he can go straight to the front office and run this team. Ozzie Newsome the second.
I was listening to Joe on Mike&Mike on the way to work and man and he had some real good opinions on this.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - when Joe retires he can go straight to the front office and run this team. Ozzie Newsome the second.
Based on what I've heard from the guy and past successes, can't we make him the player/GM now? It literally can't go worse.
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I was listening to Joe on Mike&Mike on the way to work and man and he had some real good opinions on this.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - when Joe retires he can go straight to the front office and run this team. Ozzie Newsome the second.
Based on what I've heard from the guy and past successes, can't we make him the player/GM now? It literally can't go worse.
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JT vs. Garrett in practice only makes them both better. Iron sharpens iron.
JT vs. Garrett in practice only makes them both better. Iron sharpens iron.
Just struck me that in addition to being tired of seeing swings and misses at drafting franchise QBs, what Joe could very well be saying, "We have no one on our Defense that is a challenge for me."
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JT vs. Garrett in practice only makes them both better. Iron sharpens iron.
Would be pretty fun to watch actually. Garett was ruining Cedric Oguehu (first rounder) in the summer before his true fish season.
Would be pretty fun to watch actually. Garett was ruining Cedric Oguehu (first rounder) in the summer before his true fish season.
You might want to translate this "aggie-speak" for the uninitiated.
And coach. I mean, how many OL coaches have we been through the last 5 years? How many have been better than JT would be?
Hmmmm.... I'm going with 'zero'.
Exhibit A: Mitchell Schwartz
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Here's some of what Joe Thomas had to say on the Dan Patrick show...
"You want to go defense. I think you need to get a pass rusher," Thomas told The Dan Patrick Show on Thursday.
"I think you've got to be careful reaching for a quarterback at No. 1 because if they fail, they don't help your team at all. Whereas if you pick a defensive lineman and they don't live up to the hype, you can still find a place to get them on the field and to have an impact," Thomas said. "We're a team that, we need guys who can come in and start and contribute. That's the risk of taking a quarterback."
This makes total sense to me in a way that hasn't been said before. Leave it to Joe to make the best argument I've yet heard on why NOT to take a QB at #1 (OR #12) this year.
Mike
Here's some of what Joe Thomas had to say on the Dan Patrick show...
"You want to go defense. I think you need to get a pass rusher," Thomas told The Dan Patrick Show on Thursday.
"I think you've got to be careful reaching for a quarterback at No. 1 because if they fail, they don't help your team at all. Whereas if you pick a defensive lineman and they don't live up to the hype, you can still find a place to get them on the field and to have an impact," Thomas said. "We're a team that, we need guys who can come in and start and contribute. That's the risk of taking a quarterback."
This makes total sense to me in a way that hasn't been said before. Leave it to Joe to make the best argument I've yet heard on why NOT to take a QB at #1 (OR #12) this year.
Mike
While that is all true, it would still leave the Browns in quarterback hell.
Joe is right, there is risk in taking any QB high. But it may be a bigger risk not doing so. You risk that you will continue to be stuck with Kessler/McCown/Griffin.
And Joe's HC, who is in charge says that the Browns will take a QB somewhere. But, of course that is an even bigger longshot. Sure, we can take the next version of Charlie Frye, Colt McCoy, Luke McCown, Spergon Wynn, Weeed/Quinn/Manziel.
The risks of getting an actual top QB high is better than expecting lightning to strike with a Wilson/Brady in the lower rounds in this day and age.
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A while back we got into a discussion of Myles' personality and lack of "nasty" with which I agreed. Interesting take over at reddit has me reconsidering the issue.
Poster wrote:
"I feel like their [Joe's and Myles'] personalities would mesh well."
My reply:
Interesting comment...
Garrett's prime, and perhaps only, negative has been his "laid back" personality. Laid back has worked pretty well for Joe.
Many will, and I did, argue that nasty is needed more on the D-side, but professionalism and proficiency would seem to me to trump all. Two premier pass-rushers in the league, Von Miller and Khalil Mack, don't come off as "mean", on or off the field, and they seem to be doing OK. -
We've drafted what we thought were going to be pass rushers twice in the Top six, Brown and Mingo, and both were soft as shit.
This fucker better have an edge to him
Z
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We've drafted what we thought were going to be pass rushers twice in the Top six, Brown and Mingo, and both were soft as shit.
This fucker better have an edge to him
Z
Zombo said:
We've drafted what we thought were going to be pass rushers twice in the Top six, Brown and Mingo, and both were soft as shit.
This fucker better have an edge to him
Z
We've drafted edge rushers, running backs, receivers, corners, TEs and tackles in the top ten and most haven't worked out. Being soft as shit or hard as frozen shit isn't the point - get good football players.
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We've drafted what we thought were going to be pass rushers twice in the Top six, Brown and Mingo, and both were soft as shit.
This fucker better have an edge to him
Z
Zombo said:
We've drafted what we thought were going to be pass rushers twice in the Top six, Brown and Mingo, and both were soft as shit.
This fucker better have an edge to him
How about playing through 2/3rds of a season nursing a high-ankle sprain? Edgey enough?
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A while back we got into a discussion of Myles' personality and lack of "nasty" with which I agreed. Interesting take over at reddit has me reconsidering the issue.
Poster wrote:
"I feel like their [Joe's and Myles'] personalities would mesh well."
My reply:
Interesting comment...
Garrett's prime, and perhaps only, negative has been his "laid back" personality. Laid back has worked pretty well for Joe.
Many will, and I did, argue that nasty is needed more on the D-side, but professionalism and proficiency would seem to me to trump all. Two premier pass-rushers in the league, Von Miller and Khalil Mack, don't come off as "mean", on or off the field, and they seem to be doing OK.A while back we got into a discussion of Myles' personality and lack of "nasty" with which I agreed. Interesting take over at reddit has me reconsidering the issue.
Poster wrote:
"I feel like their [Joe's and Myles'] personalities would mesh well."
My reply:
Interesting comment...
Garrett's prime, and perhaps only, negative has been his "laid back" personality. Laid back has worked pretty well for Joe.
Many will, and I did, argue that nasty is needed more on the D-side, but professionalism and proficiency would seem to me to trump all. Two premier pass-rushers in the league, Von Miller and Khalil Mack, don't come off as "mean", on or off the field, and they seem to be doing OK.
Von is terrifying on the field. And he was incredibly mean when he got to A&M. Most of the athletes lived in 4-bedroom apartments. They had to give Von his own, because he played (lived) so poorly with others.
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A while back we got into a discussion of Myles' personality and lack of "nasty" with which I agreed. Interesting take over at reddit has me reconsidering the issue.
Poster wrote:
"I feel like their [Joe's and Myles'] personalities would mesh well."
My reply:
Interesting comment...
Garrett's prime, and perhaps only, negative has been his "laid back" personality. Laid back has worked pretty well for Joe.
Many will, and I did, argue that nasty is needed more on the D-side, but professionalism and proficiency would seem to me to trump all. Two premier pass-rushers in the league, Von Miller and Khalil Mack, don't come off as "mean", on or off the field, and they seem to be doing OK.
Von is terrifying on the field. And he was incredibly mean when he got to A&M. Most of the athletes lived in 4-bedroom apartments. They had to give Von his own, because he played (lived) so poorly with others.
Von is terrifying on the field. And he was incredibly mean when he got to A&M. Most of the athletes lived in 4-bedroom apartments. They had to give Von his own, because he played (lived) so poorly with others.
Maybe it's the glasses...
Von comes off as very controlled, calm, relaxed in interviews. Just saw him in one yesterday.
On-field? Intense to be sure and in combo with his physical gifts I can certainly see them add up to "terrifying", but not menacing... not "nasty"... certainly not dirty or cheap-shotting.
Just my long-distance take... which I am not in position to augment with TAMU tales.
Could be he's grown? Grown up?
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Zombo said:
We've drafted what we thought were going to be pass rushers twice in the Top six, Brown and Mingo, and both were soft as shit.
This fucker better have an edge to him
Z
We've drafted edge rushers, running backs, receivers, corners, TEs and tackles in the top ten and most haven't worked out. Being soft as shit or hard as frozen shit isn't the point - get good football players.
We've drafted edge rushers, running backs, receivers, corners, TEs and tackles in the top ten and most haven't worked out. Being soft as shit or hard as frozen shit isn't the point - get good football players.
If he's soft as shit he won't be a good enough football player in the NFL.
Ergo my post.
Zombo
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Zombo said:
We've drafted what we thought were going to be pass rushers twice in the Top six, Brown and Mingo, and both were soft as shit.
This fucker better have an edge to him
How about playing through 2/3rds of a season nursing a high-ankle sprain? Edgey enough?
How about playing through 2/3rds of a season nursing a high-ankle sprain? Edgey enough?
Who, Garrett?
That's toughness and commitment, great traits, but I want to hear about a mean streak too.
I have no idea ... Never watched him
.. A&M guys?
Zombo
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Zombo said:
Who, Garrett?
That's toughness and commitment, great traits, but I want to hear about a mean streak too.
I have no idea ... Never watched him .. A&M guys?
Yup... Ag has mentioned it in nearly every Garrett discussion. Suffered a high-ankle sprain in Week 4 vs. Arkansas. He missed some plays then finsihed the rest of that game before missing the following week and playing through it the rest of the season.
Mean streak? It was discussed a while ago and Aggie accounts were that it's not there. I'm just reexamining its "essentiality" and I am having trouble coming up with a list of current players who embody "nasty". Certainly does not apply to our best two players: Joe and Danny.
Intense? No problem there. Kuechley... Kirksey... Shazier... Miller... K-Mack... Donald... Berry...
Players with attitude? Ditto. Sherman or most any SEA D-player... Zeke... Rivers...
But nasty/mean? Harrison? Seems to have mellowed. Even Suh didn't stomp anyone this year.
Who is your model "mean steak" player?
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Zombo said:
Who, Garrett?
That's toughness and commitment, great traits, but I want to hear about a mean streak too.
I have no idea ... Never watched him .. A&M guys?
Yup... Ag has mentioned it in nearly every Garrett discussion. Suffered a high-ankle sprain in Week 4 vs. Arkansas. He missed some plays then finsihed the rest of that game before missing the following week and playing through it the rest of the season.
Mean streak? It was discussed a while ago and Aggie accounts were that it's not there. I'm just reexamining its "essentiality" and I am having trouble coming up with a list of current players who embody "nasty". Certainly does not apply to our best two players: Joe and Danny.
Intense? No problem there. Kuechley... Kirksey... Shazier... Miller... K-Mack... Donald... Berry...
Players with attitude? Ditto. Sherman or most any SEA D-player... Zeke... Rivers...
But nasty/mean? Harrison? Seems to have mellowed. Even Suh didn't stomp anyone this year.
Who is your model "mean steak" player?
Yup... Ag has mentioned it in nearly every Garrett discussion. Suffered a high-ankle sprain in Week 4 vs. Arkansas. He missed some plays then finsihed the rest of that game before missing the following week and playing through it the rest of the season.
Mean streak? It was discussed a while ago and Aggie accounts were that it's not there. I'm just reexamining its "essentiality" and I am having trouble coming up with a list of current players who embody "nasty". Certainly does not apply to our best two players: Joe and Danny.
Intense? No problem there. Kuechley... Kirksey... Shazier... Miller... K-Mack... Donald... Berry...
Players with attitude? Ditto. Sherman or most any SEA D-player... Zeke... Rivers...
But nasty/mean? Harrison? Seems to have mellowed. Even Suh didn't stomp anyone this year.
Who is your model "mean steak" player?
I think what you are calling "intense" embodies the "mean streak" I'm looking for. Von Miller is very nasty on the field. Plays like the QB said something mean about his momma. That's what I want to see. Not just another "great athlete" that has a "nice career" ... I want a nasty sob that is out to kill.
The greatest pass rushers all play with anger and intensity. Combine the intensity and freak athleticism and you get your Bruce Smith's and Von Miller's.
Courtney Brown could have played in the league a long time if he stayed healthy, but he never would have been a legendary player because he didn't have the killer instinct.
Zombo
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Zombo said:
Who, Garrett?
That's toughness and commitment, great traits, but I want to hear about a mean streak too.
I have no idea ... Never watched him
.. A&M guys?
Zombo
Only two traits matter here. Commitment to being the best player on the field every time he steps on it. And the relentlessness that goes with that throughout an entire game, even when playing on one bad wheel. We won several overtime games these past couple of years and Garrett taking it to another level in each of those was the most critical factor, in my opinion, to getting those wins. The harder the challenge the more he steps up his game, even when everyone else is dog tired. Teams feed off that. Joe Thomas will love the kid and make him better. Garrett will love the challenge.
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Zombo said:
We've drafted what we thought were going to be pass rushers twice in the Top six, Brown and Mingo, and both were soft as shit.
This fucker better have an edge to him
Z
We've drafted edge rushers, running backs, receivers, corners, TEs and tackles in the top ten and most haven't worked out. Being soft as shit or hard as frozen shit isn't the point - get good football players.
We've drafted edge rushers, running backs, receivers, corners, TEs and tackles in the top ten and most haven't worked out. Being soft as shit or hard as frozen shit isn't the point - get good football players.
But...no QBs, not since Tim Couch.
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But...no QBs, not since Tim Couch.
You're missing the point there Gip.
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